Hierarchy of keywords lost when capturing frame form a video in Lightroom

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Lightroom 4.3 and 4.4.
I have large hierarchy of keywords in my Lightroom album. I store both photographs and films. When assign keywords to films and then I capture a frame from a film, the keywords are copied from the film to the captured frame automatically but the hierarchy is lost and all the synonyms are copied as well. As a result, my keyword hierarchy in Lightrrom gets messed up with new keywords and synonims added on top of the hierarchy.
For example:
Let's say I have a keyword "cats" with a synonym "felines" in a keyword hierarchy: ANIMALS: mammals: cat. No other keywords.
Top level hierarchy in Lightroom shows ANIMALS.
I add "cats" as a keyword to a film clip in Lightroom. Then I capture a frame. Lightroom will add a captured picture to the Lightroom library with keywords ANIMALS, mammals, cats, felines.
As a result keywords mammals, cats and feelines gets duplicated and added to the top of my keyword hierarchy.
My top level keyword hierarchy shows now all 4 keywords while 3 of them are duplicated (mammals is on top of hierarchy as well as under ANIMALS etc.).

What am I doing wrong?
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Miroslaw Lawczys

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I observed something a little different. The captured frame has been assigned four keywords: animals, mammals > animals, cats > mammals > animals, and felines. The first three keywords are taken from the pre-existing hierarchy, while only the synonym "felines" was created at the top level.

Are you sure that mammals and cats were getting created at the top level?

With respect to the synonym "felines", LR has a general issue with exporting and re-importing synonyms -- by default, synonyms get exported into the image's metadata as top-level keywords, not as hierarchical keywords, and when you reimport the images, those keywords get added to your keyword list at the top level. (It appears that LR is exporting the captured frame as a JPEG and then reimporting it into the catalog.)

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Yes - sorry about misleading post.

I got so many synonyms and hierarchical keywords that my hierarchy gets overloaded at the top level and, at the first glance it appears that all keywords are added at the top. The example I gave was just an example, not my real situation (hence my mistake), but, as you pointed out, the problem is with synonyms only. All other keywords are added in a proper hierarchy.

So, in this case - it would be "felines" only added at the top.

Is there a way to set the Lightroom so it does not reimport synonyms as a top level keywords? In my case I use same word in different languages as synonyms of an English word. You can imagine how my hierarchy looks like when I capture a frame. Every time I do this, I spend several minutes cleaning top level and removing tens of synonyms.

Of course, the easier workaround is to copy film keywords to a clipboard, clear keywords from the film, capture a frame and then paste copied keywords to both film and a jpeg file in Lightroom library.

The bottom line though is - can I set something in Lightroom so that this unwanted copying of synonyms as a top level keywords does not happen or it is a bug in Lightroom?
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I can think of two workarounds:

1. Stop LR from exporting and reimporting synonyms altogether: In the Keyword List pane, right-click the containing keyword and uncheck Export Synonyms. Unfortunately, you'll have to do this for every single keyword that has synonyms. And if you rely elsewhere on having synonyms exported in images, this will obviously disable that.

2. Your workaround of copying and pasting the keywords from the video to the frame.