Lightroom: Where is the ability to create custom page sizes for Lr Book module?

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It's been nine months now since Kevin Tieskoetter was quoted in a blog interview about the new Book module in Lr 4.x ... in which he stated:

"Yes! All of the templates we ship with Lightroom are made using Illustrator, and I'll be documenting the process for creating those. We've also successfully made templates using InDesign and the freeware tool called Scribus, so if you need templates in different sizes, you'll have a range of options."

The full interview can be read here:

http://www.pixiq.com/article/kevin-ti...

Where is this documentation? Why are you holding back? When will this issue be addressed? Why did you design it to be a one-trick pony only supporting a single vendor in the first place? Are you choosing to intentionally force Lr users to seek other options for their book making needs?

Yes, you did offer the ability to export books to pdf or jpeg ... but ... if none of the six book vendors I do use don't use the page sizes available in the Book module ... what good is it? To this point ... the Book module, in it's current state, is just a waste of space on my hard drive and a useless feature I am expected to pay for and not implement because you (and/or the executives in charge) don't think it's important to keep your word and share how to create custom templates and page sizes.

I await your response to this matter ... of course ... if you continue to remain silent on the subject ... that too will speak volumes ...
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Cornelia-I

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Are you sure that Kevin Tieskoetter is still an employee of Adobe?

With the still unfixed book-vanishing-bug and Blurb seemingly washing their hands of Adobe regarding upload/transfer issues this module may be considered as stillborn even by Adobe product management now...

Personally I do not expect anything from the book module any more, until LR5, hopefully completely redesigned then.
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Isn't this (Ability to create custom book templates/sizes from scratch) a good place to continue discussing this issue?
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No ... that ship has sailed ... I want answers or explanations ... therefore I asked a direct question(s) ... further comment on a thread that is months old would be to extend an exercise in futility ... though I don't have great hopes that this effort will bare fruit either ...
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Sorry, but we've decided that the approach we were originally pursuing to create custom page layouts was not something we were comfortable releasing to the public. The scripts we've built have worked well enough for our internal use but needed a lot of work before they were usable without a lot of guidance. We think it's more prudent for us to focus on enhancing the book module itself.
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Julie thanks so much for the update and clarification ... though it does little to ease my mind about counting on Lightroom as an option for creating books or albums.

I think this module could be such an asset for many users ... however ... tying it inexplicably to a single vendor is beyond my comprehension ...

How am I supposed to separate myself from my competition if I am cornered into only being able to have my works printed by a vendor that anyone on the planet can also place orders with? How is the Book module a valuable resource for me? I must say I am less than willing to wait another 18-24 months to see additional improvement to this module ...

I just can't fathom why Adobe would design the Book module to be so limited, constricted and narrowly focused as to only offer page sizes for a single vendor.

You did not limit the Library and Develop modules to only handle a single brand of RAW camera file ... you did not limit the Print module to only work with limited paper sizes and a single brand of printer ... you did not limit the Web module to only export files that could only be rendered by a single brand of browser ... Yet you found it ok to limit the Book module to a Blurb centric design ...

This decision is very disappointing to say the least ... even Apple allows custom page sizes and multiple methods for exporting a book from Aperture 3 that can be used easily with other vendors ... I'm now quite sure that I must spend further research in seeking out alternatives to Lightroom for my future needs as it is quite evident that it appears as though Adobe does not have my best interest as part of their plan ...
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Thanks for the reply Julie, but can we PLEASE have just TWO more full-spread options? :) See my recent suggestion: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
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Julie, Is this matter ever going to be addressed? Could you please explain why it is still "prudent " for you to not offer the ability for the end user to create custom page sizes? The Book module is about the only document creation tool created by Adobe that refuses to allow the end user to set custom document sizes, margins and bleeds? If you do not ever intend to allow this ... could you please explain why you believe the end user is incapable or unworthy of such a feature. That way we will have at least some understanding where we stand or if we should continue in investing in Lightroom in the hopes of a possible solution. If you never plan to offer the option ... please have the courage to say so and not leave us hanging ... three years and two full version cycles is just too long to be held in purgatory in such a senseless manner.
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I absolutely agree. It is just ridiculous what Adobe is doing here with its paying customers. Very annoying.
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Seems to be a stillborn baby, the book module - due to technical decisions made more than 3 years ago?
I still consider http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
a very valid suggestion how to get out of this mess.

I cannot imagine Adobe having locked themselves for such period of time with an initial co-investor. Even Blurb can hardly be satisfied with the outcome of the deal, since the book module never even managed to get on par with their own proprietary book creation software!
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Dear Julie,
Do you contemplate tomredesign the basic concepts of the book module, to achieve flexibility and a more LR-style overall concept, like outlined here: http://forums.adobe.com/message/42068... ?

Because nobody will ever be able to satisfy all tastes for layout, if strictly predefined.

Even with page sizes: how many tablet/slate devices would you accomodate? How many world paper formats?
Can we at least hope for true iPad resolution any minor update soon?

Cornelia
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Book module is unusable!

- No custom layouts
- Page sizes are limited (need European standards)
- Blurb's books are no good quality
- Blurb is too expensive for the quality deliverred

Oli
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In the current form, Book module is useless.

Primarily because of lack of custom page sizes.

I could live with the fixed layouts, but the fixed pages sizes are a restriction, which makes the module utterly useless: online print shops use all kind of different paper sizes and mine doesn't offer ANY of the sizes Lightroom forces me to use.
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It's so disappointing how Adobe behaves regarding the photobook module.
Or should I say BLURB-Module.

I bought LR4 specifically because of its photobook functionality to get away from custom software products by photobook vendors. And now I find myself more or less tied to Blurb by Adobe, but with less flexibility and worse photo book features (e.g. no custom page layouts, very bad handling of text, limitation of page sizes to those offered by Blurb) than even the most cheaply designed software offered by the supermarket around the corner to order photo books via their service.

For months, nothing is moving here. Adobe does not give LR4 users the ability to create custom layouts (as originally promised). And instead of at least releasing a few more templates (e.g. for common European page sizes) themselves: nothing, nothing at all.

I find this so inexcusable for a company like Adobe that its hard for me to find the proper words.
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Totally agree with you !
The least Adobe could (and should!) have done is to add new templates for European paper sizes and iPad resolution.
Only minor tweaks would be needed for rearranging the cells provided - you could employ an intern for graphics design with such tasks. Should take less than one working week, plus quality control.

But we do not even get more answers from Julie Kmoch...

I like your term "Blurb-Module" - that nails it perfectly.
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I keep returning to the book module but give up every time because I cannot drag photos and text where I want to. All other on-line book creation software I have used in recent years have this basic functionality.

Don't tell me where I can and cannot put my photos Adobe!
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Julie,
As a business owner who is selling templates for the Print Module, I have to say that I went into my business after the release of LR4, thinking I would start selling Print Module Templates, and that I figured it would make sense that LR5 would start having custom template functionality for the Book Module. This was part of my business plan.
Can you tell me definitively if this is NOT a direction Adobe is going at all for the future of LR? It would probably help in my business development to know if this is not going to be a 50/50 profit center with Print Module Templates.
I am very disappointed if this is the case. I really think this is the best thing that happened to Lightroom...IF it becomes customizable.
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I agree to the statements above. The books module is useless without custom templates and custom formats. I need PDF and JPG export, customizable templates and custom formats. Lightroom would have been a gem for me with this functionality. Every photobook software I have used before has customizable templates, Lightroom not? Not enough in a software targeted to professionals. So disappointing! I can not understand at all how this module has made it into the final version, it discredits the otherwise good Adobe product and makes it look like a (failed) Blurb promotion only.
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I aggre. I would like to see either user designed templates or a much larger selection of "standard" templates. For example two columns of three photos.
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As a point of order ... I no longer care if Lightroom ever has the capability to create custom templates or custom page sizes in the Book module ... for current or future versions.

With the advent of the policy change to the forced perpetual subscription model to CC for the "creative" apps ... and the total lack of attention to both the Slideshow and Book modules in Lr to make them viable options ... I have moved all my RAW workflow from Lr ... since I have little to no confidence that Adobe has my best interests at heart with their licensing models and future application development for the few apps that they still offer perpetual licensing options ... I refuse to gamble the future of my business aspirations by further supporting Adobe products. If I have to accomplish a two-thirds of my tasks outside of Lr, it has become quite easy to remove the remaining third. While Adobe products may be considered quite powerful tools, I will not allow a single vendor to dictate my concerns. I'm a living breathing human being ... much more than "another layer of revenue," ... I can't treat my clients as some nameless, faceless set of figures on a spreadsheet, I'll not allow Adobe to treat me as such.

I didn't come to this decision lightly or without researching my options. It is troubling that after supporting Adobe in a financial manner for over 20 years that I have to face such a decision. I have been in this business for 38 years. I made a good living before Adobe products were included in my daily workflow, I expect that I will continue on without them in the future.
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I have lost business due to this lightroom issue. i don't need anything fantasy just a template that has 4x5 page size. that's just a standard 8x10 folded. from the looks of this, this has been an issue for a long time! lets find a quick solution please. the sad part is there have been only a handful of people that have liked the book module and yet it hasn't been fixed to please the masses. I have high expectations Adobe, please step up to your standard. Thanks!
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For years people were clamoring for more and more features. Now LR has many more features, many of which are half-baked.

I'd love to know an alternative RAW workflow. I've been considering moving away from it for awhile. I really only use it to select, organize and tag photos. Editing in it is and always has been a clumsy tool at best. Now with the issues with Mavericks and my second monitor: oy, it's become a massive headache.

But, yeah, the Book module is a bit of a letdown. I completely agree about Blurb. It's fine for consumer use but isn't really pro quality. Then again, LR is mostly a consumer product. And what about printing? I came here to try to figure out how to make a custom paper size in the Print module. I wish there was a plain organizing and tagging app that would allow me to cull the wheat from the chaff. And, no, not Bridge.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
When is Lightroom going to get custom book sizes?.
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I've looked for page templates from other vendors and don't see any. Lots of plugins to upload photos to those vendors sites to build your books using their tools but Blurb is still the only LR option unless your vendor's page sizes are exactly the same as Blurb's, because Adobe refuses to allow custom page sizes.

To me it is like making modules of LR that only work with a Pentax or other brand of camera. I'm astonished that the Lightroom team at Adobe would allow their programming to be restricted this way and I'm sure if allowed to ...they could fix it in a heartbeat. The only conclusion I can draw from this is that there is a financial motivation for forcing everyone who wants to create books in LR ....to use Blurb.

I guess business is business and we know going in ...what we are getting. They do so much so well I guess we have to take some really bad with the really good.
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Please, help me...i need custom template 14x11.
How to use book module with this? I'll lost my client...
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Lucinda Lewis

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There is a CRITICAL need for the Lightroom Book Module to allow customer size restrictions for book templates.
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The book module could be a professional tool - making life easier, but ADOBE doesn't give a sh** about all customers requests since few years - very disappointing.
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i REALLY expected LR6 to address the BOOK Module but not a single thing....this is ridiculous....please add CUSTOM layout. ...people have been asking for years...
who gives a crap if you can do lightroom on your phone !!
And please make available to LR6 (not CC) !

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