Lightroom/Camera Raw: Fuji XT1 camera RAW beta profile

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I was checking out the Canon 5d3 vs. Fuji X-t1 sensor using the RAW files developed in camera RAW on dpreview.

Under tungsten (ISO 6400 was the one I tested) the colour charts of the two cameras are quite significantly different. However, in daylight they were much, much closer. You can find the RAW files here:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/fuji...

Make sure the Fuji X-T1 and Canon 5d3 are selected and then choose RAW and ISO6400. You can see the option to download the RAWs.

I understand that no two cameras will produce the same results, but I expected them to be much closer. One of the red patches especially was *miles* out.

Adobe - is this something you're aware of? Is it something you can take another look at before the final version? I'm looking to introduce a Fuji element to my wedding kit and I could really do with the colours coming out of LR to be closer than they look like they'll be with the Beta of ACR 8.4.....

I'd rather not have to use my own profiles if I can avoid it.
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Here are examples of the color differences, using the DP Review images. I didn't see much difference between ISO 200 and ISO 6400 so I am including the ISO 200.

Comparing to an actual Color Checker Passport I'm holding next to the screen, the Canon color is closer.

Tungsten


Daylight
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We'll investigate this (I received a separate report re: this topic as well).
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Phil Drinkwater

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Thank you Eric. It would be great to know how you guys were getting on with this :)

I have no idea how long it may take to get some kind of answer as I'm sure you all have masses on..
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There are two separate issues here.

One is color rendition, which is something that will differ fundamentally between the Adobe Standard profile and the Fuji in-camera renderings; however, the solution here is that if you prefer the Fuji color rendition, you can use one of the "Camera Matching" profiles such as Camera PROVIA/Standard, etc.

The other is the support of the in-camera Dynamic Range setting. In our testing, we've found that we have an issue with both the X-E2 and X-T1 when shooting raw files at ISO settings 2500 and above when the in-camera DR setting is set to 200% or 400%. The default image brightness in ACR 8.4 / Lr 5.4 will be too bright (generally, the higher ISO you use, the more overly bright the default image appearance will be). This will be fixed in the next dot releases of ACR/Lr (although unfortunately this will mean that existing such images taken with DR 200 or 400 at ISO >= 2500 may need to be re-edited for exposure).
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Hi Eric,

Thanks for the reply :)

Understand the brightness issue and thanks for confirming :)

On the colour matching issue, Adobe Standard was used for both the 5d3 and xt1 under daylight and tungsten. The colours from both cameras was very similar for both cameras under daylight, but under tungsten several colour panels (in the red are) are significantly different.

This does seem like a "bug" to me?

I'm not keen to use the Fuji provided colour profiles (Provia etc..) as I'll be using the 5d3 alongside the XT1 and could do with the colours being as close as possible, which is why I was wanting to use Adobe Standard.

Hopefully that clears it up :)

Thank you for your time!

Phil
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Hi,

This was emailed to me by a colleague of mine who is clearly seeing the same issue. He is a highly regarded fashion photographer:

"I came across an issue that I want you to be aware of.

While low light is quite good with the X-T1 I came across a situation where it becomes a problem.

I was shooting some images here in a XXX Hotel.

The problem is also that it's very warm light with that warm light bouncing off warm colored walls.

So color temp is very low. Around 2200.

What I noticed is that while I get very nice colors at regular tungsten color temp and even at 1600 iso and 3200 iso things go bad real quick at color temperatures that are significantly lower.

What happens is that skin tones go really flat color wise with no distinction between lips, cheeks and neck.

I just thought I'd let you know as this could catch you off guard... "

As a wedding photographer, I shoot in these kinds of conditions all of the time, and accuracy of the red and pink palette colours are really important to me.

Regards,
Phil