Camera Raw/Lightroom: Fuji X-Trans Support?

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Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?

I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.

Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.

Ones I have personally tested are as follows:

Iridient Developer
Photo Ninja
LightZone
Capture One
Aperture
SilkyPix
Raw Therapee

Iridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.

My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.

So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.
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Michael Fleck

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Hey there! I like to Inform everybody here, that i got a request for more pictures to Research. That is Not much, but i think someone at adobe is interestet and we have his attention. I uploaded 8 more pictures to The adobe Servers, now i am waiting for Feedback.

I will get in Touch with you, when i have more news. I will use Apples Aperture as Long as i can, here i have a Stunning Image quality. But i like to have a plan B. So i am pushing adobe, improving that mess with lightroom
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Wonder why they didn't ask me, the topic creator? Or why they didn't publicly ask everyone else participating in this forum? Or even the general X-Trans community. God knows there are enough forum posts, blog posts and examples on the web.

Contacting you secretly doesn't do much for customer confidence.

Surely it would be more beneficial if they asked the wider community for examples / files / feedback and made a statement as to whether it was an issue they were willing to work on or not.
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Did you already get a feedback from Adobe in the meantime?
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ARTHUR ESCOBADO

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Please Adobe, let's improve Lightroom's (and Bridge's) X-Trans processing.
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2 Years - the 5th most "me too'ed" problem on Adobe's forums, and still no word from Adobe.

If you are here for help, don't bother. Just use Iridient or Capture 1, far better RAW processing for most cameras. They also listen and respond to their customers which is pretty invaluable to be honest.
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Thanks, really appreciate your advice!
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No problem, moving to Capture 1 is like a  free bump up to another 8 megapixels! Really enjoy processing my old Fuji X Trans images and seeing the new detail.
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I had an online chat yesterday with an Adobe Technical Support person that relates to this forum topic (in fact he even directed me to it!).  I thought I'd add a couple of screenshots incase it is of interest to anyone. I trialled LR for a month and love the ease of use and workflow...but feel frustrated with the RAW image quality. I contacted Adobe to ask 1. if they acknowledged the issue, and 2. if they were working on a solution.  It appears they do - but only have a non-disclosed timeline.  Fingers crossed the timeline is soon - because then I will happily buy into the product. 

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They confirmed in some update notes some months & years back that it was aknowledged to be an issue and they were working on it. That gave Fuji suers hope but I think it's long enough that we can deduce this is BS. 

Iridient and Capture 1 work just fine and they are run by far smaller teams, it's basically not something Adobe want to do for Fuji users.

Probably too busy working out how to avoid paying fair taxes
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Fujifilm Files - Worming and Teeth.

Hey all,

So I know that you know that we know there are issues with Fuji's X-Trans processors but when are you going to tackle this please?

I've just downloaded Capture One and there are zero issues with worming and red teeth. I'm astonished Adobe haven't rectified this yet and everyone seems content to just wait.

I'm actually loathed to move everything across to C1 as my entire back catalogue is in LR (and I use PS too) but I'm seriously thinking about it as the quality of my LR files are appalling.


Can I ask if resolving this is a priority for Adobe please?





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I can't see from your screenshots what you mean, and it's meaningless without seeing your Detail panel settings. The trouble is that as soon as one questions someone's crude use of these sliders, they go into defensive mode!
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Why would they do that?! I figured out from another group I had a couple of sliders on i.e. Color 25, Detail 50, Smoothness 50 but amended these to: Sharpening 15, Radius 1.0, Detail 10, Masking 10, and have Noise Reduction sliders to 0. Base preset is Classic Chrome as recommended by someone. But still rubbish! What do you use? 
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Because one is inherently saying that they don't know what they are doing, and people don't like that ;)
I use settings that are specific to the characteristics of the image. Maybe what will help you is to break away from the mentality of the "Base preset is Classic Chrome as recommended by someone" and "I figured out from another group". Sure, choose Classic Chrome if you like its look, but try other looks too. For what it is worth, I prefer the Previa film simulation as it gives a neutral but attractive look from where I can add saturation or not, as I see fit. As for the Detail panel settings, I don't feel high Detail settings do much for Fuji, but higher Masking is often beneficial as it allows one to use more aggressive sharpening and target it only on those areas that need it. Make sure you hold down the Alt/Opt key when you drag these sliders. Hope that helps.
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Whilst the careful use of settings can mitigate how badly Lightroom renders X trans files, you simply do not get this problem with Capture 1 etc.
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Honestly, I'm also not fan of all that worms in .RAF images, BUT... notice that Adobe RAF processing completely removes color noise. Absolutely, no action needed, never. And looking at your screenshots, I see massive loss of sharpness in Capture One. You can set strong noise reduction in Lightroom and then you're probably gonna get similar output.