Camera Raw/Lightroom: Fuji X-Trans Support?

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Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?

I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.

Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.

Ones I have personally tested are as follows:

Iridient Developer
Photo Ninja
LightZone
Capture One
Aperture
SilkyPix
Raw Therapee

Iridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.

My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.

So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.
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Some samples







Here is a great example X-T1 latest version of Lightroom vs the now discontinued Apple Aperture. too large to embed.

https://forums.adobe.com/servlet/Jive...

And an animated gif - again latest version 5.5 vs Iridient.

https://forums.adobe.com/servlet/Jive...
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Hi!

I like to hang on to this Post, providing some more pics... It is two screenshots, comparing the best that Lightroom can deliver vs. the best that Aperture can deliver.

I am talking about sharpness and details. Lightroom results are absolutely embarrassing. The other ones, named in the first post, are different too, but only fractional.

Here my Screenshots. Please download for full resolution:



The Adobe Development ist very blurry and looks like painted with watercolors. I am very disappointed with lightroom.

Can we get an official statement from adobe how they think to solve this issue?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Fujifilm X-Trans RAW Files are not useable in Lightroom nor Photoshop! Blurry and painterly images resulting..


Hello! The Rendering of Fujifilm X-Trans RAW Files is unacceptable. It s very blurry and looks like a painting, missing fine details and sharpness comparing to EVERY other Raw developer.

I am not the only one who is complaining to this.

Will Adobe take care of this issue?

And will there be an official Statement how this issue will be solved?

Is someone working on it?

Please, answer to this post in any way. I bought Lightroom, short time ago. I am heavily disappointed an cannot use Lightroom for my pictures.
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Also discussed here in the Lightroom Forum:

https://forums.adobe.com/message/6446...
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Can an admin move this to the problems section perhaps?
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Well, I've been using LightRoom for more than 5 years and was satisfied until I changed my heavy DSLR stuff with small and good performing Fuji X-T1. Since I swathed to X-Trans sensor I am disappointed with how LR shows details. It is awful and terrible.
And now I am using Iridient Developer which suits my needs, but I don't have such usability as I had in LR.

Here are the samples made with my Fuji X-T1, strobe lights and processed in ID and LR 5.6, the original RAW file can be found here http://www.mediafire.com/download/9z1...




Full size jpegs can be found here
Iridient Developer http://www.mediafire.com/view/pk9c59p...
LightRoom 5.6 http://www.mediafire.com/view/gd7b3sd...
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1 month and not a single reply or care in the world from Adobe.
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I think about to leave LR
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When shifting to X-T1 I start using Iridient Developer and stop using LR. If Adobe can't manage and organize the processing of X-Trans censor's images at the same quality as ordinary censors, I also quit LR and all my colleagues will do the same.
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Hey there! I like to Inform everybody here, that i got a request for more pictures to Research. That is Not much, but i think someone at adobe is interestet and we have his attention. I uploaded 8 more pictures to The adobe Servers, now i am waiting for Feedback.

I will get in Touch with you, when i have more news. I will use Apples Aperture as Long as i can, here i have a Stunning Image quality. But i like to have a plan B. So i am pushing adobe, improving that mess with lightroom
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Wonder why they didn't ask me, the topic creator? Or why they didn't publicly ask everyone else participating in this forum? Or even the general X-Trans community. God knows there are enough forum posts, blog posts and examples on the web.

Contacting you secretly doesn't do much for customer confidence.

Surely it would be more beneficial if they asked the wider community for examples / files / feedback and made a statement as to whether it was an issue they were willing to work on or not.
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Did you already get a feedback from Adobe in the meantime?
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I'm out. $2500 worth of Fuji X-T1 and lens and I can't process the RAW files. Time to move to Capture One Pro.
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So, I am back for a finally comment:

I got an answer from an Adobe guy. He told me that this is a known issue with the raw converter (no news to us) and that they are working with "high Pressure" on it.

bla bla.

I had the chance to talk to a manager of fujifilm on photokina.

He told me, that fujifilm is providing all the information to adobe that they need to improve raw converting, but adobe makes nothing out of it.

Maybe they wait for the next version of lightroom, to make more money. But that is just a guess.

Fact is, adobe has all they need, but they are making nothing out of it. So i am out to. I go on work with Apples Aperture as long as i could and i wait for the new photos app for mac. this one will be free and uses the best raw converter so far, the apple one.

Capture one is ok, but the image quality is not as good as apple and the workflow is very different and not as good as with aperture.

i will quit using adobe products. the monthly plans and the poor image quality with x-trans sensors make that decision easy to me.

bye!
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Same here.

After some testing I've switched to Capture One Pro.
I didn't align the rendering but you can see an example on one of my own pictures below :
LR 5.5


C1 Pro 7.2.3


LR/C1 comparison 100% crop
http://reho.st/view/self/72a5ea4ab70e...
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Adobe -> "World Leading" Company
Iridient Developer -> One-Man-Company

Ridicolous!
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Hi,

Another voice to add to the list hoping that Adobe can improve the rendering of fine details in XTrans files. There is no doubt that the Adobe demosaciaing algorithms are not doing as good a job of extracting fine detail as most of the other RAW converters out there.

A sample RAF file here if anyone wants to look at it. The trees on the hill in the middle make a good test for evaluating the detail rendering.

RAF File

Andy.
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Well I've loaded the same RAF file from my X-T1 to Lightroom and Iridient and switched off all sharpening and noise reduction (set them to zero). So everybody can see the difference. On the left is ID and on the right is LR. The picture from LR is not so crisp and looks rough.

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Same problem. Been using Adobe Products since PS v2.5 and LR 1.0. Great tools. Unfortunately, switching from Canon to Fuji has left me in the position of needing to adopt a different software solution for RAW conversion and DAM. Capture One Pro 8, here I come.
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Fuji X Trans cameras are going to be more and more popular. I am also planning to switch from Nikon to Fuji.
It should be no problem for Adobe to support R-L convolution sharpening properly to support X trans files.
The gap between CaptureOne and Lightroom sharpening is very big. Adobe, take this chance for Lightroom 6!
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Sorry Andreas, i dont want Lightroom 6. I payed Money for Lightroom 5. it doesn't work good, as anybody knows. So why should i pay additional Money for bugfixes?!?

I expect a bugfix in lightroom 5. THEN i think about LR 6.

But i dont think that adobe cares. In The ACR 8.7 Beta there is still no sign of bugfix for this issue.

I think The guy from The photokina fujifilm Booth was right as he mentioned, that Adobe wants to earn Money and wait for LR 6 to Get this issue solved.

Not my Circus. Not my Monkeys.

I Switched to Capture One. I want to be on the right side of the gap. ;)

Capture One and Apple Aperture are the best Solution, if you want an "all-in-one" Package. Best raw convertion, good Workflow, good file Handling.

Aperture Sadly is a Dead end. It was my Favorite.

Now i think i Found a successor with capture one but Not with lightroom.

Adobe, canon, Nikon, they all gonna end like Blackberry, Nokia, etc. because they are sleeping. Not Developing. I am Done with them.

Old grey Gentlemen, the Future Knocks on your door.

Bye!
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When you have over 25k files developed and categorized in Lightroom you don't want to change the raw converter.
Turning the detail slider to 100 and reducing the amount of sharpening I can live with the situation until the next major update.
I would love to spend 60 bucks if sharpening and details would be as good as in Capture One.
I really like to unleash the power of the X trans sensor...

I am sure that time will come when LR is again a step ahead from Capture One. It's the same race as between Canon and Nikon. Then I don't want to change again.
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I too am on the verge of switching from Nikon to Fuji (drowning all my Nikon gear in a Himalayan river has helped the decision!)

As Andres mentions above, what are those of you leaving LR going to to about your cataloged images?
Not only have I invested a lot of time in learning LR (and still have a lot to learn), I have 30k+ images cataloged.

I am currently using LR 4.3 and would therefore need to upgrade when I move to Fuji. Having read this thread I'm unsure as to the best move.

Suggestions?
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Adobe has improved Xtrans support significantly in LR 5.6. You really need an update for proper support. You will also get the internal film simulations as camera profiles. LR 5.6 is not awful but not as good as C1 in detail rendition. I also have a Nikon D800 and one should not expect the same detail level from the Fuji because the D800 is a different beast.
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There is little doubt that both C1 and DxO latest upgrades have raised the quality level of raw processing software.
I am pretty sure Adobe has optimized the processing profiles for the Xtrans sensor with their Process V 2012, and guess that sometime soon Adobe will have to introduce a new Process version to match the competition.
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Best suggestion is to keep badgering Adobe to improve support to at least match their competitors.
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Thanks for your replies guys. Much appreciated. Looks like I'll be staying with LR for everything.

I have also just come across this...

http://photographylife.com/fujifilm-r...
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Adobe's lack of support and lack of any official word on this topic is still disappointing.This thread has been active for 5 months now with 31 others sharing the same issue - not a lot granted - but this isn't the only thread on this topic and it's the 13th most popular post in the "problems" section.

Only today I am processing hundreds of images and what I thought were out of focus areas due to an f1.2 lens is actually just softness caused by Adobe Lightroom; this was only clear to me when I demoed the latest version of Capture One Pro. This is very frustrating to feel that as a Lightroom user and Adobe supporter I am having to put up with inferior results.

Adobe, please do us the decency of addressing the complaints, even if it's to say you have no plans to improve support - at least then the loyal customers, such as I, can finally make a call whether to migrate away to another RAW developer.

As it stands we are waiting with baited breath hoping to maintain large libraries and edits rather than move away, but this is a long time complaint that seemingly isn't being addressed.

It's generally accepted by Fuji users that Adobe are lagging way behind the competition when it comes to Fuji X-Trans support and as the biggest developer with the largest budget this simply doesn't make sense.

Here is an example from today. I don't think I need to label which is from Lightdoom.

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This does not seem to relate to results I would normally get in LR. What settings have you used?
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Looks as if Color Noise Reduction was activated. Please check that. The X-Trans sensor usually does not need this but it makes colors look awful.
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Color Noise reduction was on very low, but I have revisited it just to be safe and turning it off made no difference.
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I've never seen such a big difference between C1 and Lightroom. But in this example there is really a huge difference.

I really don't want to move to C1 because it destroyed my catalogue and I have no faith in this software.
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To have all photos organized in catalogue it is very convenient, but not to have any opportunity to post-process in correct way photos is awful. So I forget about catalogue and switched to Iridient Developer and now I feel myself a happiest man on Earth.