Frustrations with Light Room (4,4.1) and CS5/CS6 beta

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Every Time I download and try light room (I own CS5 but similar issues) I get frustrated, Some of these comments apply to Cs5 or cs6 beta

a) The whole idea of light room wants to catelog my images before I can edit is frustration. The best wor flow option is that I can use windows picture viewer where I can go to 'my pictures' and view a almost full screen slide show with minimal load time.and I stress minimal load time. I see a picture that needs editing, I then wish to right click and open it in light room or CS5/6 and maniuplate it. After I do my edits I wish to view a full screen preview, if I like it I can save it at same location in same format or save as a copy.

Unfortunately light room wont allow right click load into the develop window right from the HD, it wants to catelog (which is very uninviting interface).

Light room will appeal to lot more people if this can be done as described above.

Adobe CS5/6 beta does allow you to rigght click and import (great!) but the frustration is in the save side where by default it wants to save in the ADOBE format, so going to JPEG requires a few clicks which is cumbersome when you edit several photos.

Light room on the other hand has the nice feature of export to previous so, at least saving is less painful. Why cant both good features be put into the same product.

I think if ADOBE can supply a picture viewer utility with fast load (and full screen) that allows right click editing that would be great too (some thing similar to windows picture viewer but maybe some other cool features like exif data). Most Photo editing programs loses me when they want to do their own propriety databasing of photos before doing anything.

Note: I assume light room and CSx are targeted at advanced users (unlike elements) so it makes more sense to allow them to maintain thier photos where they lke to, and help those semi pros with advanced photo editing tools which is what ADOBE excels (sorry not the user interface- its outdated).

BTW: From a pure user interface point of view you may wish to take a look at the discontinued Microsoft Imapge pro 10, and you will see how some of user inetrface is easy to use and fast. What it lacked were the sophistiated editing algorithms

2) Within the current light room/CSx interface

- why have such a tiny scroll bar right next to the arrow which hides/shows the toolbar window. How many times I tried to scroll and get annoyed by the tool bar window disapperaing or appearing intentionally.

- Why are all thrh buttons in the tool bar tiny and very hard to figure which one is which. The interface seems to be pre-dated to what moden user interface can and should be from a Human Factors point of view.

-Common work flow in digital photo work flow includes croping and sharpening. These tools are very hard to get to (in CSx sharpening is a pull down menu). At least provide a user customizable tool box where we can choose all the editing tools that we want to have instead of adbobe trying to impose some of their workflow philosophy.

- Why is there not an easy undo and redoo buttons (hopefully multilevel). Almost all of us like to see what an edit does them quickly undo and see if they dont like it. I think there is just one level hidden in the edit window (in light room9, wheras this seems like one of the common usage one woul like when editing. I see in CS6 beta that we can undo diffferent edits by unchecking so thats an improvement. In any case have a standard undo/redo button in the tool bar.

- Why is there not a button we can just click to get a full screen preview of the photo, idealy full screen preview it should also have a small button oon one corner to compare edited with original.

- In light room presets are coolm but undoing a preset is not intuitive,. There is one preset called zeroed but it removes everythoing. Again see comment of undo/redo above.

I am sure some of what I am asking you will say there is a way to do it, but that again shows the clunked up user interface. If I (and I am very advanced user of GUI) cant find what I want to do the interface is probably not statndard or outdated.

Note: Light room is very slow, CS6 beta is a bit faster loading. Again as far as loading a phot oto edit I encourage to look at MS Digital Image pro 10 (I am not affiliated with this program, but thought that was one program MS did well, but was discontinued).

For now I think I prefer CS6 beta over light room 4.1, simply because easier loading. If the option to export to previous s made available in CS6 it would be great.
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The heart of Lightroom is the catalog. It's fundamental to the way the application works and to why it's so powerful. If you want something like Lightroom without the catalog, it's called Bridge and Camera Raw. If you're used to the document-type system of PS, this can be confusing at first. Once you've tried it, the document-type interface of PS seems decidedly limiting.

Cropping in LR is just hitting R. For most cases, sharpening isn't required - just leave it at defaults and export with export sharpening and you're done.
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Lightroom doesn't actually edit your image files, so there needs to be a reference to the image information other than file location. And the whole point of digital asset management is to stop depending on the filesystem for organization and categorization.

So, there is good reason for using the catalogue model in Lightroom.

So, I have to respectfully disagree. The apps you mention rely on a terrible set of file-based gestures that make little sense in a modern app that has to manage thousands of images and all their variants, all while leaving the digital negatives essentially untouched.
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I dont necessaryily agree that Light Room is poweful becaus of his asset management.
From a user perspective there are 2 tasks one would want to do with digital photos.
a) Organize, Tag etc...
b) Edit Photos - Edit Photos

To me if some if one want to design a software, I see architecturely there is no reason to keep these 2 features separate. If the image editing progams wish to provide options to store extraediting information, yes it can do, just create a propriety format that stores all the information that needed for future retreival.

If on the other hand those who want to edit the image and save or save a copy in its original format, that should be possible. I dont see why cateloging and asset management is needed to support phote editing.
Typically I shoot several photos on a trip, organize it in 'My picture Folder' as Europe trip etc, If I want to store the original in case I need it I just make a copy say 'Europe Folder Orig', then go to the first folder and happily edit as much as I want and since I have already saved my original I can just overwrite the photo with my edits.

There are a number of progams which organize photoss well including the free google picasa. I just need a good image editor, with experts who have refined algorithms so the auto features work well and then I do my additional tweaks per my liking.
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"I dont see why cateloging and asset management is needed to support phote editing. "

It's not - use Camera Raw in PS if you don't want LR's other assets.