Lightroom Classic: Why am I forced to update Catalogs between major versions?

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I am being forced to spend valuable time updating every catalog before I can access my images in the new version of LR Classic.  This is outrageous that Adobe could not find a solution other than forced catalog upgrades to use a new version of their software. Adobe owes me about a year of free software for the time I am spending upgrading my catalogs to have access to my images in LR Classic. The most un-user friendly update I've ever seen from a software company.  What were they thinking???
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What were they thinking? They were thinking that you'd want the significant performance improvements that resulted from their database format changes, which couldn't be done without upgrading the catalog format. This has been true for every major (x.0) Lightroom upgrade for the last 10 years.
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A catalog file is a database. Sometimes, in order to implement new features in an application, the schema (structure) of the database it uses must change. This requires an update process to apply the new schema while retaining all the existing data. It happens with any software so Adobe didn't do anything wrong or out of the ordinary. The alternative is to leave features static, but then people would complain about that.

It occurs to me that the advice has always been to use a single catalog rather than many. Having done that might have minimised the impact; the update on a single large catalog might take longer but would probably take less time than the update of many smaller catalogs.
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I too had to update -- with hundreds of thousands of images.....it's tough, but just do it overnight and wake up to a catalog!
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I have many catalogs so I can't set it up to update over night. I have to do each one separately and now as I update them Lightroom can't seem to locate the original photos. This completely sucks. If I have to do this every time they update Lightroom I think I'll need to find another photo editor to replace it and stop paying for it. If the engineers can't figure out another way to make this work so you don't have to do this because they release an update they aren't very bright. Adobe clearly can seem to put themselves in their users shoes or they would understand how unacceptably frustrating and time consuming it is. 
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Updating the catalog is not new, this was necesary for every new version.
And Adobes advise always was to use one catalog instead of many so your problem would be much smaller.
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When you have a single large catalog it slows down Lightroom for some reason.  It runs better with smaller catalogs. 
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when you say you are a Mac user, is it a laptop or desktop? IME most laptops will struggle because they don't have the internal disk capacity to cope with lots of image files, catalog, previews, cache files, etc. My windows desktop has three internal ssds, and two big internal hdds. No problems except for the slowdown with time, that most people seem to experience.

Bob Frost

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> I am not sure how to keep more than one version of the same software installed. When Adobe alters me there is an upgrade do they offer for me to save the new version as a separate application instead of updating the current version?

There's a difference between dot releases and major release. Dot releases install over the top of the previous version, but they don't require catalog upgrades. Major releases (like this one) do require a catalog upgrade, but when you go to install it, there's an "advanced options" line in the dialog and if you open that, you can choose whether to delete the previous major version or keep it installed.
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Robert - I am on a fairly new top end MacBook Pro laptop but all my files are stored on fast 6T and 8T ssd usb c devices with lots of storage. I do a lot of fine tuning on each image and I imagine LR has to store a lot of data per image for these sometimes extensive edits. So that may cause the long time for the catalogs to upgrade. That's why using one large catalog seems to slow LR in a big way and I had to start using smaller catalogs. 
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Victoria - thanks for the info and advice. I'll keep this in mind for the next major release.  But for now I am forced to do these catalog upgrades. Maybe a few years from now with all of the tech and engineering advances this will change and better solutions will be available.  We'll all be sitting back wondering how we ever put up with this and it will remind us the way we felt 15 yrs ago when photoshop crawled with just a few MB many layered file. I honestly don't know how I had the patients. I use to take a nap while I waited for it to finish a command. LOL.
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Lots of edits per photo probably explains why it's taking so long for you, as one of the biggest changes to the catalog format is they're now compressing the Develop History to make it faster. On the upside, you should hopefully see some performance benefits as a result of these changes too.
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Hi David,

Apart from what Victoria and others have mentioned, I would like to add a few more details about the catalog upgrade.

An upgrade may be required to change the database structure according to new features or may be some other optimisation.

With the 7.0 release, we have done some changes to the internal representation of the data(develop history and image metadata) which helps in reducing the size of the catalog(we have observed approx 50% size reduction in our internal tests and similar results have been shared by other customers) and helping the performance as well as far as read/write to the catalog file is concerned.

Catalog upgrade is disk intensive operation, so it may take some time to complete. In our internal tests upgrade for a 6 GB catalog took about 25 minutes on SSD and 40 minutes on HDD.

One of the reasons for the upgrade taking longer that expected could be lack of space on the corresponding disk drive/partition. Catalog upgrade may need free disk space about 2x size of catalog.

Can you check if that is the case? If clearing disk space does not help, let us know, we can debug the issue offline.

-Satish

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I was not asked to upgrade catalog. Do I need to do that and if so, how?
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It upgraded; did not ask for catalog upgrade. Has been working but often slow or unresponsive.
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Go to Help menu > System Info and check it says you're running Lightroom Classic version: 7.0.1.

You can also check further down, for the Library path, and see if the catalog name has -2 on the end.
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Yes, to both
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Then I wouldn't worry. The -2 means you did agree to the upgrade, probably without realizing that's what you were doing. As to your slow and unresponsive problems though, start a thread describing your issues, if you haven't already.
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I believe my catalog had the -2 before the update to Classic; and will do.
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Satish - thanks for the info.  I don't have any storage issues. The external drives I use all have at least 2T storage available on them. It's good to know that the additional compression that this latest upgrade I went thru should help.  There have been suggestions that I merge my catalogs into a single catalog. But I don't see merging my catalogs into a single large catalog helping me in my day to day work. I think it will still  significantly slow down the processing of my edits. Honestly, I can't afford that. 

Thanks much,
David