Lightroom: Floating panels/toolbars...like other Adobe products

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I love Lightroom. I use it every single day as I am a professional photographer. However, I can't understand for the life of me why Adobe has chosen to have no ability to float Lightrooms toolbars as is possible with the other Adobe products. I have two monitors and would love to actually make the best possible use of them. Adobe, please add this feature as I'm sure it will be welcomed by all users.

Thanks, Freddy
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One might say the lack of such customisation is part of Lightroom's ethos. Whereas most other Adobe apps are huge and sprawling, Lightroom is much more focussed on a certain workflow and on "doing the right thing" in an efficient, methodical way rather offering an infinite and for-many-users-bewildering choice of alternative ways to achieve the same result.

Watch this to gain an insight into the thinking https://vimeo.com/1286064 .
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Hi John. I completely agree that there shouldn't be infinite ways to achieve the same result, and that's not at all what I'm talking about. I'm talking about being able to use my primary display for the image only and to be able to float the current panels on the secondary monitor. I don't want Lightroom to work any differently, I just to be able to arrange my own screen, that's all.
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I understand that, but floating panels do run contrary to some of the thinking behind Lightroom's design. You're opening a big can of worms!
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Hi again John. I love a good debate just as much as the next guy, but if you're going to take the opposing viewpoint, please provide specifics. What can of worms am I opening, exactly? What is the thinking behind Lightroom's design?

Personally, when I'm editing, I absolutely hate having to scroll up and down the left side for the right tool(and I have a 30" Apple Cinema display). So I don't see what the harm would be in being able to have all of those different tools neatly organized on the next screen. I can tell you one thing, it would save me a ton of time just in scrolling, opening, and closing alone. Why not have it be as versatile as Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, etc.?
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For starters, did you watch that video? He uses words like "efficiency", "streamlined", or the concept of "rooms". You'd also have to look up some of the things Jeff Schewe has said about the inside story and design philosophy.

Remember too that those programs are much more substantial in scale than Lightroom, and with much more diverse user groups. By comparison with them, Lightroom is more like a glorified dialog box!

I never liked the scrolling either, so I work in Solo Mode (it's a right click on the panel header), but while I would certainly move one or two panels such as Camera Calibration I just don't feel the need to start creating my own workspaces in Lightroom.

John
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I don't know if I watched the video. I've had lightroom since the original beta, but I'd love to see the video if you can direct me to it, I'd appreciate it.

It's true that Solo Mode does help a bit, but I'd still love the ability to make my own workspace. But I guess based on your responses here, and others I've received elsewhere, I think my dream will remain just that, a dream. Oh well.
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He posted the video above (vimeo).

I too think a fully-configurable workspace is unlikely, but I'm wondering if a more modest request might be a little more acceptable, namely to make a new second-monitor option to go with the ones that are already there that would just place the existing four panels on the second monitor leaving the main monitor for the image only. The reason I think this might be doable is that it's already possible to do this in Lightroom to some extent by dragging the main window to your second monitor, putting the Loupe view up on the main (now second) monitor and using the Develop module and its panels on the second monitor while watching the first monitor. Did that make any sense?
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Makes perfect sense Lee. I think I'd be just as happy with that to be honest. Thanks for your feedback.
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I linked to it in my first comment, Freddy!

While I might point you to these design ideas, such things are never set in stone and you aren't the first one to ask for movable panels. So just ask!
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Thanks John. I'll take a look as soon as I have a chance. I really appreciate it.
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I voted for this, but *NOT* because I want to be able to float them like other Adobe apps, but because I want to be able to work on the image full screen in one monitor, and dedicate the other monitor to the panels, and other such supporting stuff. Note: once an entire monitor is available to support image dev, there is less of a space constraint for that other stuff.

So to the spirit of the request, I say yes: One should be able to use 3 monitors and partition each monitor according to fancy.

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I like Lightroom's overall UI design *better* than most Adobe Apps, but more flexibility to support multi-monitor configurations would be welcome.

PS - I bought a 2nd monitor just for Lightroom, but I rarely use Lightroom in multi-monitor mode, since it really doesn't help that much. Multi-monitor support seems like it was a rush job to me. I don't think Adobe spent much time figuring out how to re-write Lightroom to best take advantage of additional monitors - I think it would be worthwhile for them to do so at some point.
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Rob, I couldn't agree with you more on the multi-monitor functionality, and I too rarely use that mode. I don't want to be forced to look left and right, I just want my tools over there, that's it!
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Where's the "–1" button here?

In my opinion, floating panels is one of the worst aspects of UI design ever. (Something from the Mac ecosphere?) With floating panels, I always have sense of living in a room that have not been cleaned up for some time. The impression of flexibility that floating UI elements gives, is false, in my opinion.
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I wouldn't mind if the panels could snap somewhere.

Having them float in space is too messy for my taste too, but being able to drag them to another monitor would be useful (for those of us who've adapted to multiple smaller monitors ;-}
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Dorin,

I assume you haven't worked with multiple monitors. If photoshop didn't have floating panels, my bet is that it would have never become what it is today. And YES, definitely from the Mac "ecosphere," the system that has been the choice for graphics and creative professionals for..hmmm...over 20 years now!!!

..and how did you even get to this thread? It's 8 months old!!!
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> ..and how did you even get to this thread? It's 8 months old!!!
I have browsed about 15 pages of "Most popular" threads.
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> I assume you haven't worked with multiple monitors.
No, I prefer one big one. Can't stand monitor bezels right in the middle of my workspace. Also, don't like the moue cursor "spawning into parallel worlds".

> Mac "ecosphere," the system that has been the choice for graphics and creative professionals for..hmmm...over 20 years now
Thankfully, it's been 10 years since it's a got worthy alternative.
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Well, lucky for me...and Apple...opinions are like body parts. Everyone has one, and they are all different. I love my ONE BIG MONITOR (30 inches) also, flanked by my two 22 inchers left and right, and the 50 inch fourth off to the side for client presentations. No bezels, no lost cursors, and a true pleasure to work with.
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True Dual Monitor Support like offered in PShop. The ability to split the panels and place them as you desire as floating panels. Even Capture one can manage this. Come to think of it most high end Raw converters do. If you can split palettes in photoshop and move them onto a second monitor why not in Lightroom. The side panels take up so much potential image display area. With the technology for masking brushed, cloning etc getting better more and more is done right in LR a full screen image without hitting tab keys and so on to dim lights hide side panels would be nice. Why can't we have seperate pallete for for all the current options but not in one long line. A good example would be in Photoshop you can have a floating palette for actions and another for history. Both visible and easily accessible on a second monitor. However in LR if I lots af presets and then want to get to or have a quick glance at my history it is a time consuming task to get there. Same applies if I have all my palletes open in LR to scroll down from the Exp,Contrast,Highlight.....panel to let's say adding a vignette, again scrolling down is a pain. Why not have a separate floating pallete that can be moved and resized like I can for pretty much any task in PS. What a simple but efficient idea!

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Dual monitor workflow.
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Yes, please let us have all the panels on a secondary monitor like in Photoshop. LR`s UI is really very limiting. Open panel, close panel, scroll up, scroll down to panel......., while my secondary monitor just sits there waiting......
Okay, there`s the "secondary view" of LR, which is really great. But I would add a third monitor in a heartbeat, if LR just would allow me those floating panels.
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Just having a choice would be good.
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"Just having a choice would be good."

I think the same. So It will be good for everyone.
it just an extra option, thats all, it doesnt change anything for those who are fighting desperately against it.
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LR4 second display doesn't play nice with the Mac Lion multiple desktops. Wouldn't it be nice if we could utilize the second monitor feature of LR4 and position a different LR4 Module in separate desktops and just swipe between them.

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Lightroom: LR4 second display doesn't play nice with the Mac Lion multiple desktops.
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I work on multiple vertical monitors.
The main viewport is on one of the middle screens,
the right sidebar on the adjacent screen.

If Lightroom allowed me to position two sidebars next to each other
on the separate display, screen real estate would be used optimally.

Even WITHOUT floating panels, just next to each other
- that would be fine!
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All palettes (keywords, quick develop, etc) should be detachable and the positions savable in sets the same way that they are in Photoshop.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom: detachable palettes a la Photoshop.
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Just make tools a second display option, the current 2nd display options have very little use and moving the presets and sliders over to the second display would mean not having to dart left and right across the screen
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Actually, I just want the choice to have the left-side panels disappear altogether and have all of the panels tabbed on the right-side because moving the mouse to the far left side of the monitor to scroll or choose the various options & panels, to navigate or do anything else decreases my efficiency by forcing me to move the cursor to the far left. Personally is very annoying to me and I'm not sure that I want to give up my old Bridge CS3 program due to this. There are very few programs that causes the user to scroll on the left-side and I'm not sure why Adobe has chosen to go against the norm. The tabs that are in Bridge which allow for quick changes to various panels and choice to have all scrolling be done on the right side is great. If I were a left-handed person, perhaps I would want everything on the left-side so, maybe there is reason to choose between the three types of formats - not infinite, not floating - just 3 different workspace options for the panels original, left-side, & right-side. I suspect these three options will cover just about everyone.
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Why is everyone going for the polarised extremes here - just because the programme has floating panels you don't have to use them - its a choice thing. I don't really use them in PS CS6, but I don't think they should be taken away. I would like them in LR simply because the left hand panel is quite congested at times. I have asked for nested levels of presets - this would support that model in that you could see ALL your presets not keep scrolling through endless meaningless descriptions
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Tools in Photoshop CC should be detachable like in Illustrator CC..


Like so....



Can this happen in upgrade? If not, why?
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I managed to hit the wrong topic while merging -- very sorry about that. Please reference the new topic here: Tools in Photoshop CC should be detachable like in Illustrator CC...
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled LIGHTROOM - Two monitor Develop display configuration:.

I'd love to see an option to have the primary display show either an image in full screen, or a set of thumbnails in Grid view, while the secondary display has all of the develop palettes.
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i''m with the cause.. i would like to have the floating panels to use on my second monitor
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I would also love the ability to have floating panels. I've never felt that Lightroom takes very good advantage of the two-monitor workflow. My other wish is to be able to have two Grid panels open so that manual sorting is wasier.
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