Lightroom: filter unedited vs. edited (edit count > 0 or = 0)

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It'd be nice to be able to see which images have had no metadata changes, and no develop changes. I can sort by edit count, but it's sometimes painstaking to figure out where the line between edit count = 1 and edit count = 0. This could be a filter or a smart collection or both.

This would be helpful for resolving conflicting metadata. It's easy to know to import from disk in the version in the catalog has no edits to it. Also if the file has been moved external to lightroom, rather than trying to refind the files if they are unedited you can just remove and reimport them at their current location (manually or via synchronize folder)
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|> "It'd be nice to be able to see which images have had no metadata changes, and no develop changes."

I'd also like to see change dates for lots of different things.

Perhaps user-definable/customizable sets, even if via plugin.

So one could see when last title and/or caption change was made, as well as last image edit, or specific type of edit...

The underlying technology is sorta in place already - for example, you can specify a set of items that when changed will trigger re-publishing.

The change dates just need to be stored and exposed to the UI and the SDK.

Bonus Ideas:
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- It should be possible for a plugin to change custom metadata without triggering an "edit" changed date, to support features that use custom metadata as "outputs" or provide metadata to help track *other* changes...
- Store *first* change date too (along with *last* change date).

Rob
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Agreed, I'd like to be able to see the edit date in the metadata panel in library module. The other bonuses would be nice too (changes on different items, etc.)

One case that I didn't address with original is, do you count the metadata changes on import as edit = 0 or edit = 1. Since I'm looking for images that I can remove and reimport, I would like to be able to differentiate images that have had changes applied on import vs. changes I've made outside the import workflow.
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Nobody else would like to know which images haven't been changed? Maybe I should change the subject
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Smart collections have a "has adjustments" criteria which dictates whether images have changed develop-setting-wise.

You can also setup criteria for "has keywords"...

there is an edit-counter, but it's essentially useless to me (and other users of photo-info plugins) since it gets incremented when a plugin saves info about a photo, whether the photo has been otherwise "edited" or not.
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I have a smart collection that has all the permutations of editing that I could think of
doesn't have keywords
doesn't have adjustments
title
caption
etc etc

but it'd be nice to know ok, these are still in the state at which I imported them. I haven't dealt with them. or they are missing because they got moved but I can remove them and reimport them only at the cost of cpu time to rerender the previews as I won't be losing any metadata.
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I understand Bryn. And there is no such filter/criteria in Lr - thus your feature request...

In the mean time - Jeffrey Friedl's Data Explorer supports edit-count metadata, which *is* available to plugins. Also, John Ellis AnyFilter supports it.

Just note: edit-count > 0 does not necessarily mean "edited", since said count may go up for "non-edit edits" (e.g. plugin recording photo info..).

That said: edit-count = 0 does mean "unedited" for sure, and if you don't use plugins which maintain private/custom metadata, then edit-count > 0 will mean "edited" too, I think.
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PS - in general, it may be a bad idea to reimport photos already in catalog, even if unedited. For example, you may have unedited photos in collections, or published.. - such affiliation is broken when re-importing.
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Thanks Rob!
Yeah, I'm careful when I do it and when I do it's mostly soon after import. My workflow involves shooting a lot of panoramas, so autopano giga automatically finds a pano for me, I move it to its own subfolder, so it's kind of a pain to reconnect reconnect 2 to 80 folders of missing images, but at that point most of those aren't in collections/publish modules.

I thought there was a more broadly applicable problem in wanting to know which images one hasn't tackled yet so you could go back and edit those specifically.

ps Does a virtual copy count as an edit I wonder?
pps when you say a plugin with private metadata "edits" it, an example would be Jeffrey friedl's megapixel sort which has to count and store the megapixels for the image since lightroom only stores dimensions?
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Bryn wrote:
|> "I thought there was a more broadly applicable problem in wanting to know which images one hasn't tackled yet so you could go back and edit those specifically."

I think there is actually.

I had suggested a fourth tier for pick flags, instead of:

Unflagged
Picked
Rejected

have

Unconsidered
Undecided
Picked
Rejected

since for me there is a distinction between "unconsidered" and "considered but can't decide whether to pick or reject". My idea got as a cool a reception as this idea has so far.

Anyway, the bottom line is that, for now, you gotta come up with your own scheme, either using existing metadata (like you are), or assign/un-assign keywords/labels... (which you're not).

I import into an inbox (and all photos are "edited" immediately upon import - details available upon request), then move into place after "real" editing, so an "edited" metadata item would be of no value to me whatsoever.

Other people have requested folder coloration for marking a folder with unfinished photos. Jeffrey Friedl has a folder status plugin dedicated to such on a folder basis..

But what is needed depends on your workflow - different people have solved in different ways. For example: John Beardy has a "workflow collection set" that he uses (and offers to the community) to solve the problem in his way...

Another solution you may not like: import all with a color label, then clear when edited or considered (or conversely set color label after editing..). Personally, I lock all photos when finished using change manager (a plugin), which assigns a white color label, thus any photo unlocked still needs consideration of some sort, and I can tell at a glance whether photos are locked or not, or using filter/smart-coll (and white label is not so obnoxious as color, for permanent basis).

PS - creating a virtual copy does not bump edit count, but megapixel sort plugin will, I think.

Rob
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Bryn - another idea: I have an Lr Script (not a plugin) that will select raw photos for which there is no associated xmp sidecar file. The idea is to assure you save xmp after editing. If xmp not present, then either you haven't edited them, or you forgot to save xmp afterward - either way, you'll be able to remedy..

Of course this is useless for DNG and JPEG..

http://www.robcole.com/Rob/ProductsAn...

Tip: hotkey on Windows: Alt-SS ('Option' key on Mac, presumably).
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seeing as I set develop settings on import (and assign keywords) "has adjustments" is useless. "Has been adjusted since import" would do the trick, which is of course an edit. So I agree! Include edit count as a criteria!

I'd also like to see some way of determining which folders contain photos that have not been edited. I often import several folders and then edit each shoot as I go. would be nice to have a smart collection show me only photos that have not been edited nor any other photo in that folder has been edited (in other words to exclude all folders that contain edited photos).
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Please add a filter for badges so that I may find pictures that have development ....

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i agree a filter to see edited/developed shots would be useful. i have folders from sessions where i have shot 1000+ and it would be useful to see at the click of a button the edited/developed shots so that i can quickly locate the selected shots from all the bumf
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The smart-collection criterion Has Adjustments will quickly show you all photos with develop adjustments.
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[I hit submit too quickly.]

The smart-collection criterion Has Adjustments will quickly show you all photos with develop adjustments.  You didn't indicate you were applying develop settings at import -- if you are, then the smart collection won't help.
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so maybe wording the filter to be "has not changed since import" would be more useful if this feature existed?
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Please Add collection badges in search criteria also.