Lightroom Mobile: Photomerge (Pano/HDR) with imported images

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Now that LRM has the ability to do HDR photos with the built in camera, it would be nice to also be able to produce HDR images with imported photos.  It should be fairly easy to implement since the coding is already done for the camera.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Panorama and HDR stitching on iPad.

Have the same ability to stitch photos like on the desktop version
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Panoramic feature.

Lightroom mobile desperately needs a panoramic feature. Please help take our images to the next level.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled HDR on Lightroom Mobile.

 Hello,
I have been using Lightroom for a long time and being able to work on my iPad is really exceptional.
There are 2 terribly useful features missing and it would be really amazing if you could include them in Ligtromme Mobile. 

- The HDR and Panorama merger. I've been waiting for this feature for a long time and it would be really amazing if you could add this feature.

- Add a range mask for graduated filters. This feature is so useful and it would really be a plus if you could add them. 

Thank you for your work. A little effort, you're not far from making Lightroom Mobile perfect! ;)

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom mobile: Merge HDR feature.

There is no feature for merging raw HDR photos in Lightroom mobile. That’s one feature which I miss dearly since I only use my iPad Pro for photo editing now and I can’t use my HDRs at all. Very frustrating.
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5.0.0 was released for iPad. Unfortunately, no photomerge and no real notable feature yet again (other than batch editing). This iOS version is turning into a real disappointment.

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While no photo merge is a disappointment, I am very glad to have proper export features with this new release.
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Agreed.
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Well, maybe on iPadOS but not on iOS. I still have the two old options: Small 2048 px and maximum available.
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The export options made it to the desktop and Android but didn't quite make the cut for iOS for this release, but they've confirmed it is coming to iOS soon Bruno.
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HDR Merge has my vote as well, though Stacks and Virtual Copies would be huge and probably easier.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Mobile: HDR for Android.

please, please make hdr available for lightroom on android devices, or at least incorporate layering of 2 or 3 bracketed exposures. panoramas would be awesome too.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled HDR and panomerge on iPad Pro.

Can you please add HDR and panorama merge to the iPad version of LR?
I would like to switch to the iPad for working in location and need these two features dearly!
Any ETA when this will be added? Since it is already available in the desktop version since some years it should have been already added to iPad as well.

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You won’t get an ETA, Adobe does not provide it because [stupid excuse]... Oh, wait! They did when they released PS for mobile and was so badly received. Then they can release a roadmap!
Bottom line is: Adobe decides when they release a feature, maybe it’s already developed, but it’s in their interest to retain updates as long as the market is sain. Their is no commitment whatsoever.
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> they released PS for mobile and was so badly received. Then they can release a roadmap!

Antoine, you might remember that they did something similarly open with Lightroom when it was still a baby. Things gets more complicated as programs grow up though.
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I didn’t remember because I didn’t jump into the subscription based model until the reviews were better ;-) I think it’s a major complaint about PS and in a lower measure (but still) LR: paying full price (subscription) for a software still in beta phase.

But my point in my comment was about receiving (almost) official information about LR not revealing a roadmap and why the couldn’t, but then revealing one. Like they do it when it’s suits THEM and not when customer are worried about development en energy invested in a software.

When I pay so much for a software, I’d like to be sure my money is used well (or even at all!) and know where it’s heading. And it is not the case ;-)
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I'm not talking early subscription days Antoine, I'm talking days of LR1. They're able to be a lot more open when they're dealing with very young software, because there's a lot less complexity, so they're far more likely to be able to do what they say they will. It gets harder as software ages, as there's a whole bunch of additional stuff that can go wrong when they attempt something. You'd hate it even more if they gave a roadmap and then found they couldn't fulfill it.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Feature Request on Ipad.

As many who like to work on the go, I'm solely dependent on iPad for most of my workflows and would love to keep it that way without duplicating my images / works onto a desktop (with limited cloud storage for sync).

I can 100% switch to ipad if I am able to:

1. merge Pano / HDR
2. store catalog or raw onto an external storage along-with edits

with limited storage on device and cloud it has become cumbersome when using ipad on the go. The above two features are badly needed by many many lightroom users. Hope Adobe takes this ahead, since the new ipadOS provides better external storage features.
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Another update released (5.2).... Sadly, again without any real features added. No panorama/HDR stitching (which is perfectly possible in Affinity Photo so hardware can handle it), no stacks or virtual copies like on desktop, ...
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What a lousy update ! Nothing new and reported bugs, acknowledged and announced to be fixed are not fixed at all...
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@Antoine Updates are pushed on Adobe Servers prior to any announcements, acknowledgements, and other notes being made.  The reason for this is to ensure that most persons worldwide have the update available at the time off official announcements. 

Fixed bugs, released features and other notes have been added to the appropriate threads starting at 6 AM Pacific Time. Blog posts and help document updates are live across the system as of the same time.
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Hi Rikk, I get this but not sure why this is relevant to my remark.
When are stacks/virtual copies coming to iOS/iPadOS? Are there any plans at all to bring panorama stitching to mobile? It would be great if anyone could share a rough roadmap of what to expect. The mobile versions are lagging behind tremendously in comparison to their Windows/macOS Lightroom CC counterparts.
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Understand: why focus on the "learn" section no one really asked for or cares about when there are so many bugs to fix and pertinent user's requests ?
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@Jeroen, It was a response to Antoine Hlmn's statement regarding a lack of information and not a response to your post at all.

Adobe does not generally share timelines for possible future features.
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I was saying that reading the description in the AppStore. I’m pleased to see split view on iPad, though! But still: I don’t get why the learn section gets so much attention where so many bugs remain and so many interesting feature request remain unheard for years. It’s sad to see where Adobes priorities lies: catchy tutorials for « non LR users » but not much for loyal customers.

Regarding a timeline: it’s true, excepted when they’re forced to after releasing Ps mobile ;-)
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I agree with some of the previous posts. I am personally a fan of Lightroom CC. I love the new UI and it’s ease of use, nor do I doubt the hard work that Adobe engineers are putting in. However, from the consumer point of view, key features that have been missing and requested... some for years... are still missing. All the while we keep seeing updates about the tutorials. On top of that, I think there was an impression that by moving to a new code base, development of new features and functionality would be both faster and more iterative. Now, I don’t want to discount any work happening under the hood, as that is important. I’m just trying to express what a consumer sees and why it is that many are frustrated.

A roadmap of some kind would definitely be a welcome addition. It doesn’t even need to have well defined dates. It would also be helpful to understand what of our requests are not being considered. As I look towards upgrading my gear and develop a workflow for my photography, it would be useful to understand the direction Lightroom CC is going. Will this just be a combination of a hobbyist tool and add-on for Lightroom CC Classic, or is the goal for it become a tool that even pros will be able to use on their iPads as their primary workflow? Is this tool just viewed as an entry point for those beginning their photography journey, or will features such as Virtual Copies, HDR/Pano Merge, offline backup for iPad, printing and others be added to make this the future of photography for everyone, beginners and pros alike? Understanding the features that are being planned and worked on can also help us to make the right decisions for ourselves and our flows, make us feel as though our voices are being heard, and keep us enthusiastically invested in the platform as a whole for years to come.
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I am in the same place. I am not asking for dates on a detailed roadmap. All I want is the knowledge what features are being considered and not considered for future releases.

I am almost exclusively using my iPad Pro and features like stacks and HDR/Panorama merging are holding me back from using it as my only device. If Adobe is not planning on developing this software as a full-blown version of Lightroom or not intending to bring any of these features to iPad, I would like to know so I can move back to a Macbook. I am using iPad Pro because of its performance in a very light-weight form factor but the tools on that iPad are of course more important. If those do not develop, I need to look at other options.
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I am overall very satisfied with Lightroom CC.  My main desire is a seamless syncing between desktop and mobile and Lightroom CC delivers that in spades.  In the old days with Lightroom desktop and mobile, syncing could be slow or unreliable.  Now it is perfect.  I do 95% of my editing and culling on the iPhone or iPad and it's nice to know it all syncs perfectly on the desktop.  People complain about a feature here and there, but it is hard to overestimate the value of this seamless workflow.

That being said, I do have a few wishes.  The first is the ability to print from the desktop program.  It is hard to believe that a modern photo management app does not have this capability.  The second is a minor gripe.  I would like to have the ability to perform an HDR merge on imported photos in the mobile app.  However, since the capability is there in the desktop app, this is more of an annoyance than a major problem.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled HDR features in Lightroom and Photoshop mobile.

The year is 2020. The apps should have HDR features by now, and I mean being able to import, combine and edit RAW photos. I know the photoshop app just launched, but please make this happen.  I shoot RAW exposure bracketing all the time on my mirrorless camera and having the ability to edit on the apps while I’m out and on the go would be a HUGE help. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled It would be great idea if you could do multiple photo stitch using lightroom mobi....

Multiple photo stitch.
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I want to show my support for this feature request.
This is the #1 feature holding me back from moving to a completely mobile workflow.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Panoramic merge for ipad.

Who agrees that this has to happen? 
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Definitely, a proper HDR/merge feature in Lightroom mobile is long overdue.
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Just got the iPad Pro 2020 and installed Lightroom, then realized one of the most important feature (photo merge) is missing. Hope Adobe will add this feature soon. Currently I have to merge photos in Affinity photo which is not too bad tbh, but I still like to adjust photo in LR....
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I recently came across an Adobe rep on Reddit who was a bit more forthcoming in commenting on this missing feature and it looks like it won't be coming any time soon.

You can read his comments here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lightroom/comments/fyldj8/how_is_performance_on_ipad_pro_with_lightroom_cc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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Thanks Jeroen! Interesting read from Josh Haftel! Why can’t we have such a clear and transparent communication on this official forum ?

Copy paste for those she can’t find the thread:

 Are panorama stitching/stacks coming to Lightroom on iPad and, if so, when are they coming? I'm surprised how both of these features do not seem to be on the horizon. Any insights?




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2 points· 1 day ago

The amount of ram needed to merge a few hundred megapixel panorama is pretty absurd, and the amount of paging that would have to be done on a mobile device (remember, iPad pros JUST got 6GB of ram), plus the fact that you need to be ready to shut down the process at any time (phone call, Facebook, sms, etc all have the potential for you to switch apps, which then puts high memory requiring processes at a high risk of being killed) means this is not a trivial task. Much more likely is being able to use the server, but then how to provide a good quality experience in an asynchronous process (we don’t spool up a server instance every time someone launches the app, and setting a new server instance, allocating memory, firing up camera raw, loading the files, processing the files, etc all takes time, meaning you’d be sitting there waiting for what might feel like an eternity), not to mention that you might want to try different settings out.

Not unsolvable problems but also not super easy problems for a feature that not that many people use. It’s a typical engineering constraint issue—do we take the resources away from super important, highly used features to work on useful but less impactful tools or not? And with something like pano especially, it’s not something that can be done a little bit at a time.

We have had some prototypes of HDR merging working locally, but with the weird landscape of memory availability on devices (which Apple purposefully doesn’t market strongly since it’s not important to the majority of their customers), it makes it super hard for us to build something that works well on one device but doesn’t at all (or is suuuuuuper slow) on another. Keep in mind that people are not always rational and consider things only in their own perspective—this was the most expensive device I could afford, and it’s not the cheapest, so I expect it to work! Or, “it was top of the line 5 years ago, why can’t I merge 7 61MP shots?!?!?”

We want to build software that not only does the thing, but does it well, predictably, and with a good experience, for all the different types of customers we have.














level 3jvnphotography

1 point· 1 day ago

Thank you for your extensive reply. I appreciate this a lot as it’s the first clear cut answer I have received from Adobe. Now I know that I should not keep my hopes up for ever getting panorama merging on iPad.

Though, I have to point out that panorama merging has been possible with Affinity Photo for quite some time and it does it well and fast. It easily stitches vertical panoramas I have had issues with in even Lightroom. I have used it to stitch several (8+) 30 megapixel RAW files together without problems. While I understand you need to decide how to spend your resources, I find the argument of not having enough RAM rather curious.

I understand you want to release a good experience but I personally see nothing wrong in keeping features exclusive to those iPads which are capable. After all, isn’t that the same on any Mac? No one expects you to support panomerging 61 megapixel files properly on a Macbook Air but, for that reason, you don’t restrict it on those devices that are capable, right? Maybe I’m looking at this wrong but it’s kind of a strange argument to me.















level 4Josh_Haftel

2 points· 1 day ago

Perhaps I wasn't clear--it's not that stitching isn't possible, it's that even after doing all the work, it's not a great experience. I just tested out Affinity's pano stitching with one of my typical panos. It was a 17-shot pano from my Nikon D800E (36MP) which resulted in a 317MP pano (I tend to have a decent amount of overlap in my photos). This is a very common FoV / pano result for me (even though I've moved over to 47MP Sony A7Riiis--I just happened to find the Nikon based one faster for this test).

Here's what I found, on my iPad Pro 12.9" 4th gen, 1TB (6GB of RAM):

  • Generate Preview: 4m 54s

  • Create Pano: 3m 30s

  • Render Pano: 7m 45s

That means it took over 15 minutes before I could do anything with my pano, all while I could do nothing else with my iPad.

Mobile devices, currently, don't do multi-tasking very well. When's the last time you wanted to hold onto a mobile device, waiting 15 minutes, and not being able to do anything else? Not to mention the battery drain induced by all this?

The point about a MacBook Air is somewhat spurious--it's a desktop system, which means you can easily run another app while processing happens in the background, not to mention that it's possible to outfit with 16GB of ram, reducing the amount of memory paging significantly.

Put another way, just because it's possible to do something doesn't mean it's a good use of time and resources. It's not like it's a simple switch that we'd flip and suddenly you'd have pano stitching support. Imagine it's 6 months of work (which, while I'm just making this number up, it's probably a lower limit), would you tie up six months of resources for a feature that won't be used that much because the experience would be poor, taking those resources away from making something that many more people would use?

Again, the point is not to say it's impossible, and if we can find a way to make it work leveraging our servers, so much the better for everyone.
















level 5jvnphotography

1 point· 1 day ago

Thanks again for explaining in a detailed way. I agree that waiting 15 minutes is a very long time. I just feel rather bummed out over the fact that means other use cases will not get to do this. My main use case is stitching vertical panoramas together (drone photography), which is mostly 4-5 20 megapixel photos. It’s not a massive project and it can be frustrating not being able to do this on the go.

I also understand the decision of whether or not to spend valuable time and resources on this matter. I don’t have any insight into what most people request or what most people use the panomerge feature for of course.

I do appreciate your insights and you taking time to answer customer questions. It would be great to get some very rough idea of “this is what we are working on” though. Not asking for a timeline but rather something that tells customers what is on the table. This was possible for Photoshop on iPad as well.

I have been using Lightroom CC on iPad since it was first released in its current cloud form and have loved using it.

















level 6Josh_Haftel

1 point· 21 hours ago

Creating arbitrary limits is really hard, both technically as well as from a user perspective.

Imagine we found a way to do this easily, but only if we limited to 60% of ram (or some other arbitrary limit). And let’s say we find a great way to appropriately estimate the amount of available ram. Then imagine the experience in which on your iPad you can do 8 iPhone photos, your iPad Pro you can do 3 61MP files, but when you try a 6 36MP pano, you can’t on any device. It’s not the number of photos—you did more before. It’s not the size of the photos, you did larger photos. It’s not even the FoV, this one just has more overlap. Why isn’t this working? What’s wrong with Adobe? Is anyone even remotely intelligent over there?

You get the drift. We already have some arbitrary limits that I run into already (we have an arbitrary max pano limit of I think 600MP that I run into all the time now that I’ve started creating multi row panos with a paid or Syrp Genies), and it’s super frustrating—I don’t want to build new ones in.

Anyway, I totally hear you! I know it’s frustrating and I know you want all the things, me too! One of my guiding principles for Lr Mobile is that you can do everything on your phone. So now it’s just a balancing act of resources to device capabilities. Heck, the rate that android devices are adding system memory to their devices (now if only android could update their memory management system to be a fraction as efficient as Apple’s

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled HDR stacking from imported photos.

Is it possible to do it!? I see no problem in adding this. Many of us dont't want to have to use a PC to do it.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Masking and Panorama Stitching for Lightroom Mobile.

Please add Masking and Panorama Stitching to Lightroom Mobile. I do all my editing on a chromebook so I only have Lightroom Mobile Android.
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Please more options!!!