Lightroom: Please add face recognition to Lightroom (ability to specify region metadata)

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Do you plan to implement a face recognition defined by keywords in Lightroom someday ?
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I'm also disappointent to here Tom's response. AFAIK most/all competitor applications do have a face/object recognition. This is not only something that a few people would profit from.
Yes, we can do all the keywording manually, but it is time consuming. It is much faster to add location metadata to photos (by multi-selection) than to keyword their content as usually within a series of photos we don't jump locations that often. But we certainly do have multiple and different contents within a series (e.g. different people). So functional support on this side (keywording, face recognition or similar) would help to save much much time - more time than e.g. using a map module.
So please, Lr-Team, take this feature request seriously and don't wait until you've found the 100% solution as until then many may have already switched to a different software. We really do want Lr to remain a great application also for large amount of photos.
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In Bridge, face recognition would be very interesting too. All people which use the Creative Suite would benefit from this...

Adobe could easily create a solution where the software does find the person as pattern based on existing images, but doesn't automatically assign any names to it. A dialog would ask the user for correction and he would take the last decisions.

In fact this could be the same as our current work, just much much quicker.
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I have read some of these comments and it is not completely connecting with me on how this will help my workflow if it is added.. unless it is added correctly and preferably even goes beyond facial recognition but object recognition.. as it is not just portrait photographers like myself using it.. but for a variety of image types where facial recognition by itself would not be too useful and if implemented I would want to be able to shut it off completely.

I HIGHLY disagree with one suggest of 'adding it because everyone else is doing it.. even if it doesn't work very well'. I trust Adobe will deliver good products.. I depend on their products to work well and not mess up my tagging or mis-tagging based purely on facial recognition. The last thing I need is Facebook like "Hey is this Gene Simmons in your photo?" or you have 239,234 photos in your library that have not yet been processed by facial recognition... would you like to do this now. It honestly becomes meaningless and a pain.

If something like this is added I would like to select a photo.. say "identify this item in the photo" tell the program it is a person or an object with potentially different algorithms if necessary. Then IF I would like it to identify and tag items I can choose which ones I want it to process like this.

Simply.. facial / object recognition is still an emerging technology at all levels from the phone to the super computer.. so unless it works well.. I don't need or want it part of my work flow... especially if I know who and what my items are already.

Christopher
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„adding it because everyone else is doing it” – It is quite improbable, that there is a relevant number of user, which are only asking for face recognition because of that.

User requirements can be very different. If you are working with a manageable amount of images and your workflow normally doesn’t confront you with an overcharging diversity, then it is understandable that you don’t have the same need for automated steps.

I’m managing about 300.000 images and some other things more. They all are as well part of design processes, but also material for many research projects. I can clearly say: there is not enough automatism for me! The many reliable classes and structures are automatically created, the less need for me to spend my time with stupid classifications. And you’ll surely understand that classes and keywords are a must in such a large database.

The similarity search has the potential to reduce the manual work. Face recognition is just a subset of the general similarity search and for a lot of users like me a great thing. I would like even more than that, automated classes like: human, man, woman, diverse ages and could imagine even many, many other like photo, canvas, drawing and so on...

I just hope that Adobe introduces as many reliable automated categorization features as possible. Especially for BRIDGE, because it accompanies all people using the Creative Suite.

Nobody would need to use them if not interested. Or do you currently feel forced to permanently read the complete Metadata? I'm sure, you just do it if you like.
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I have Lightroom 3 (for about a year) and just recently downloaded the Lightroom 4 beta. All excited to try Lr4, I was floored that there is no facial recognition. Floored. This is Adobe, right? In my mind, this is a no-brainer to have in the Lr suite.

I just recently digitized (scanned) photos of my extended family (pre-digital) - I have thousands and thousands of photos to attempt to catalogue, and then eventually post-process. Facial recognition would certainly simplify, and shorten the time involved - as none of these photos have any metadata.

Picasa and Aperture both have facial recogntion. I've not tried the Aperture - but was impressed how well Picasa was able to match faces - independent of the age of the person. I was impressed that it seemed to employ a learning algorithm - so it got smarter at making the right tag as it was told right or wrong. I think I will give Aperture a try too.

When it comes time with the Lr4 beta expires, and I have to ante up an upgrade fee, I am seriously considering moving to a different post-processing platform to one which includes facial recognition.

I very much hope and vote for Lr 4 to have this functionality.. Thanks :)
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Ditto. I recently spent more than 60 hours manually entering tagging data for all the people in my 60,000+ LR3 photo library. Most of these photos were scans from slides and old negatives. Facial recognition would have been a godsend to me. (I only found the Picasa trick after I had completed doing this manually.)

I recently purchased a Mac just so I could experiment with Aperture and I-photo just for the facial recognition tools.
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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PHOTOSHOP/LIGHTROOM USE FACE RECOGNITION SOFTWARE TO HELP TAG PHOTOS WITH NAMES OF PEOPLE IN PHOTO DATABASES

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
FACE RECOGNITION TO TAG PHOTO DATABASES.
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I'd find it terribly convenient if LR would find faces in my images, perhaps while doing a 1:1 prerender, and show the faces on my 2nd monitor. While I cruise through the photos in the Library module, I can then use my main screen (30" FTW) to judge composition and lighting and look over to my 2nd screen to see face sharpness and expression. Man, that would be fantastic!

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom: detect faces and 2nd monitor support to show 100% zoom on found faces.
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I am personally still having the problem of seeing how Facial Recognition is going to benefit my processing and workflow on a shoot-to-shoot basis and I mostly shoot people.

I tag my photos with the individuals included at the time of import and the system works well for me and probably others.

I WOULD NOT want facial recognition to be part of standard and mandatory processing. That is as some have suggested as building it into 1:1 preview or import functions. I DO NOT want it part of it as the last thing I want is to have to add another step to my processing of going back and correcting facial recognition or having a series of pop-ups going "Who is this person?"

I personally only see the point of facial recognition for those types that haven't managed their catalog or for those using Lightroom for personal use that want to point it at their catalog and say go find me all of the photos of 'grandma'.

I personally think it should be a feature that should wait until it is developed into a broader "object" recognition feature vs. something that is only useful for identifying people so it could be of use to those hoping for broader function and identification and could identify multiple things in photos that does take time to go through as you shoot.

There are usually so few people in images most people, I just don't see the value for Adobe concentrating their resources on developing "Facial Recognition" in LR4 when I think there would be broader appeal features that people would use under the currently implied timelines for LR4.

Christopher
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that ́s you.. and it is perfectly fine when you don ́t see the benefits.

im sure i don ́t see the benefits of some features you want!

other photographer shoot the same people over and over (family etc. etc.).
they will see the benefits.... they see them already when using PICASA.
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@Christopher:

Exactly, the first step should be having LR understand that there *is a face in the image*. What can you do with that? When you hit Z, LR will zoom in on that face, not the center of the photo. Implication? Faster analysis of the quality of the most important part of the image: the face. Faster? Yeah, you aren't constantly zooming in and out.

If LR can identify that 4 faces in the image (READ: NOT IDENTIFY WHO THEY ARE), then LR can give you a 4-up on your 2nd monitor at 1:1 zoom so you can see face details and judge sharpness very quickly while your primary monitor is zoomed out for color/composition judging. These little things will speed up the pruning/filtering process in the Library module.

Then, only then, should LR *maybe* refine the face algorithm to uniquely identify the person. But even then, really, how much time would we be saving when we can blanket tag all of the photos in a shoot's folder in 3 seconds already: CTRL+A, type tag, ENTER
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You should have a look there then

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

with this youdo not need to tag names but just region. Then lightroom could use this defined region to zoom in.

THe good thing is that it can work any thing wether it is people or not
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Whether or not a facial recognition feature would be useful obviously depends on the type of photography you do. I'm an amateur and the designated "family" photographer. I have thousands of pictures and even if not perfect it would be nice to be able to search them for a particular family member. I can't imagine going through them one by one and tagging them. On a recent vacation I took over 500 photos and I can't even imagine tagging them one by one.

Facial recognition is already in Photoshop Elements and I think it should be in any software that catalogs photos like LR4.
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Note that Picasa 3.9 is now embedding the face information into the xmp, using the standard developped by the Metadata Working Group, of which Adobe and Microsoft are members.
Seems that those defining standards are not able to follw them (microsft photo gallery saves the face information using its own implementation, adobe photoshop element store the faces in a database only)
I love adobe products so I hope you will catch up
regards
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Please add facial recognition to Lightroom. I am using Picasa for this now. It is much faster than manually tagging and surprisingly accurate.
Thank you.
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Facial rec would be great to find all photos of person in a large catalog. But do not restrict it to people like all the rest of the services. I shoot dog shows too. NOBODY currently recognizes animal faces. Everyone has pets!

And while you're at it, pattern recognition would provide a way to arrange a catalog artistically. I sometimes need a photo for a layout that has a certain type of blue in it, for example. The picture finding function on Google is crude, but based sort of on what I'm thinking.
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Great suggestion My photo collection is:
a) huge
b) not just about people
And I know that I am not alone!

My photo tagging skills are on the lazy side and I find that my old photos are almost lost to me because the pile is so huge. Even poorly implemented face recognition would be a huge help and I will take what I can get. I agree, pet recognition would be great

But what if I we could find objects as well? I don't know the technical difficulty of this but Lightroom's library function would blow everybody else out of the water if it could do any and all kinds of recognition. How about recognizing 1955 chevys, or the starship Enterprise, or Faberge' eggs? Please Adobe, don't just wait for Google to figure this out, or better yet, work with them.
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Note that since iphoto 9.4, Apple writes face tag information following the metadata working group standard, exactly like Picasa.

->https://sites.google.com/site/phoshar...
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More apple product seem to be supporting the standard as I just read this from the exiftool website:

XMP apple_fi Tags

Face information tags written by the Apple iPhone 5 inside the mwg-rs RegionExtensions.

I suspect aperture to be using the same standard, though I have no mac to check it.
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Guys, I noticed today that my Nikon D4 has face detection built in. When I scroll through the shots on my camera, I can rotate the front dial to move the zoom to each face. That is EXACTLY what I want in LR. I don't give a rip WHO the person is, I just want LR to be smart enough to find the "center of mass" of faces and zoom in there when I hit the space bar. In and out. Faces sharp? Yes/No Keep/Reject.
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I would like to see a facial recognition app or software that would help me identify people in scanned photos. I am a researcher doing genealogy work and I come across photos of people at different ages and in groups and it can take weeks or never to identify everyone or even the key players. I would like to be able to compare two photos to see if they are the same person.

I support this technology.
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Hey George Woodward Great suggestion re pet recognition.

One of the most important aspects of Lightroom to me is the cataloging features, and recognition of faces plus whatever would allow me to import collections of photos and then quickly sort and tag them based on a previously set up recognition search. That would be FANTASTIC!

My photo collection is:
a) huge
b) not just about people
And I know that I am not alone!

Light room's importing and tagging features are excellent, but I have to face it, my photo tagging skills are on the lazy side and I find that my taggless old photos are almost lost to me because the pile is so huge. Even poorly implemented face recognition would be a great help,

I will take whatever Adobe can give me. But I agree with George Woodwards earlier suggestion that, pet recognition would be also be helpful to a lot of people.

But what if I we could find objects as well? I don't know the technical difficulty of this but Lightroom's library function would blow everybody else out of the water if it could perform multiple kinds of recognition. Not only faces and pets, but how about recognizing 1955 chevys, or the starship Enterprise, or Faberge' eggs?

Please Adobe, don't just wait for Google to figure this out, or better yet, work with them.
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Feature request: Would like to have the ability to add and edit Image Region Metadata, per the Metadata Working Group's Guidelines for Handling Image Metadata, Version 2.0, November 2010. Useful not only for face tagging, but feature tagging as well as comments, to do notes for developing or using, etc.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
LIGHTROOM: Image Region Metadata support.
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Should be merged to another topic. Please reference the new topic here: LIGHTROOM: Image Region Metadata support
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Yeah, well, my original request to support Image Region Metadata, a standard to which Adobe was a major contributor but has not implemented. However, other forum czars merged my post into this thread, which advocates face tags. I don't agree to the merger, as they are entirely separate topics.

And so I see 3 separate topics here: (1) supporting Image Region Metadata tagging; (2) supporting face tags (which would best be implemented via Image Region Metadata tagging); and (3) face recognition (an entirely separate topic, and one that is prone to substantial erroneous results.)

Let's get the first working and then figure out the rest!

I really do not appreciate that my original request for Adobe to support Image Region Metadata in Lightroom (which Adobe co-authored in the spec) to be linked to face tagging much less face recognition.
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I've wrote a Lightroom plugin to import face tags from Picasa into keywords.
You can download it at http://code.google.com/p/lr-picasafac...
I still adding functionnality, but it works fine.
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Note that it is important for the algorithm to be able to handle People with exact same name but who are not the same persons.
I have 2 friends with the exact same name and only picasa seem to handle it
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It has been since Version 2 that I've suggested adding facial recognition tags. Some responders said this "is not a professional need" but I strongly disagree. PLEASE include this in the coming LightRoom 5 release.
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I don't think that face recognition is very important at all. Maybe because I don't have that many faces that need recognising! The process of entering keywords in LR suits me fine and I don't think I would want processing power to be wasted trying to recognise people in my photos when I can provide their names in a jiffy.
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I would use face recognition to identify faces in very old photographs dating back to 1870. I am restoring historical photographs and only a few people are identified and it would help to know to which family the unidentified are connected with. Processing power would only be used on request and not slow down most processing.
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In my opinion face recognition is one of the less needed features in LR.
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I don't think face recognition is necessary. I would probably use a function which tags all images with faces in it.

But I would prefer if AutoTone would produce better results or could be configured to my liking. This and some other wishes from this forum should cause much less work that detection of persons.
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It is very hazardous to say that developing one functionality is faster than another one.
Actually if they are using face detection API it may even be just a question of UI, which could be much simpler than tuning the Auto tone to give better results in all conditions.
LR is both a DAM and raw developer, so both aspect need to be enhanced. If we leave the whole DAM aspect a side then it may be better to just use Camera raw converter and bridge.
Regards