Elements 8 - Folder View Issue

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Hello,
I've set up my Elements 8 to show folder view a few days ago. When I import new photos using Canon software they go into daily subfolders of a folder called Photos New. As soon as I've deleted any photos I don't want from the daily folders I move them into a folder for years, e.g.Photos 2018, Photos 2019 etc. Today I downloaded photos which were taken yesterday - 31/10/2019 - but while the folder shows up in the view the photos in the folder are not visible. Yet the daily folders (about 10 of them) from which I moved the photos and deleted the folders (in Windows Explorer) are still showing (with a lighter coloured icon) and so are the photos that these deleted folders used to contain. This seems very bizarre behaviour!
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, or is there some issue with Elements 8 updating the view?
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Tony
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How did you move and deleted the photos? It sound s like you using Elements Organizer when you say you don't see the photos. Are you using organizer? If you used anything other than Elements, Elements Organizer does not "know" about the change. When you open Organizer and see images displayed, EO is showing you thumbnails it has captured not the images in the folders. 

Double click an image. If you get a "Missing File" dialog, then Elements Organizer (EO) is looking in the old folder. In the Missing File window you can direct EO to find the file in its new location. 

See https://digitalscrapbookinghq.com/reconnect-missing-files-in-photoshop-elements-organizer/  This shows the process for reconnecting missing files for a more recent version of Elements. There should be a similar process in Element 8.
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Hi Steve, 
Thanks for the quick reply. While I have Elements 8 a few years I used it mainly for editing as I had Canon Zoom Browser EX which I had before I got Elements so I stuck with that until I upgraded to W10 which doesn't support ZBX. A few days ago I used another piece of Canon software to view the files in the daily folder, chose which ones to move to the Photos-2019 folder and deleted the rest along with the folder. I understand now your explanation of why I'm still seeing the folders & thumbnails for the deleted folder with files but what I don't understand is why I don't see the photos of took yesterday - I see the folder, but not the files in it. Secondly how do I stop Elements displaying the since deleted folders?
I plan to start using EO from now on as my organiser.
Regards,
Tony


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Hi Tony,

I'm glad to help.

To remove a folder from EO use "delete from catalog". When all photos in a folder are removed from its Catalog database, the folder will no longer show in EO. 

To remove a folder from an EO catalog, right-click the photo and select "Delete from Catalog". You will get a Window with a checkbox "delete select item(s) from Disk". If you check the box, EO will try to delete the photo from your hard drive. This will really delete the file from the disk. Click OK and the Catalog entry will be deleted.

Steve
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Hi Steve,

Thanks that worked. BUT I still couldn't see the photos I took yesterday that I downloaded today, and had a look a few times, but after a while they appeared. Why would the photos not have shown up in the folder view of  Elements as soon as they were put into it?

I also notice that if I click any particular folder you are still seeing the contents of all the folders and you may still need to scroll down to find the photos you need. The folder view LOOKS very similar to Windows Explore but BEHAVES quite differently in that once you click a folder in Windows only that folder's contents are shown. Is there any way to make EO only show the contents of the folder you click on?

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Tony

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It sounds like there is some setting turned on. I have Elements 2019. The user interface is different. Try the following link. Its for Elements 10 but may have a UI that similar to what you see in version 8.

https://www.dummies.com/photography/photo-software/adobe-photoshop-elements/view-images-by-folder-location-in-photoshop-elements-10/
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Thanks Steve,
It is all becoming clearer to me now and I'll be happy to use EO in future for managing my photos. In hindsight I should have started using the Organiser when I got Elements 8 a few years ago and not relied on the Canon software , which has been dropped in W10 so I think I've lost 12 years of captions!
Tony
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Elements 8 is a very old software.
Have a look at that faq from John R Ellis on that subject:
http://www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/photoshop-elements-faq.htm#_Folder_Location_view

In a few words, the 'folders view' in older version was buggy and a totally new folder view had to be introduced in PSE11. The key concept is that you should not fiddle with organizer folders outside of the organizer. The folder view since PSE11 mimics the Explorer, but with a difference: only subfolders containing files registered in the current catalog are shown. Subfolders without catalogued files are shown dimmed, but their subfolders with catalog photos are shown normally. You can display subfolders without catalogued files by right clicking on the upper level folder to get the option in a dropdown menu.
That said, I still have PSE6 installed, and as I take care to manage folders as expected, I never get the known bugs in that faq.

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Thanks Michael,
Other software I've used for managing photos always mimics Windows folders exactly, you add something to a folder and it is visible immediately, likewise when you delete from a folder it goes. Obviously I'll need to adapt how I manage my photos and in time I'll get used to it.
Regards,
Tony


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Those softwares are browsers, like Adobe Bridge for instance. They are similar to the Explorer with a number of dedicated tools to deal with photo/video media. The organizer, like Lightroom, is using catalogs on powerful database engines.
Just to give you some examples:
- how long does it take to write a keyword to a 1 GB library of 100 000 media files  and how much to delete it? One minute? how much with a browser?
- How long does it take to retrieve a multicriteria query based both on tags, dates and persons with the above library? A matter of seconds. Irrealistic with a browser.
- In the organizer, you can even find files having a part of a word in the caption, for instance it will take a few seconds to find all files having 'aqua' in the caption, like aquarium, aquarelle... If you don't tag every person but simply add people names in the caption for a group of 20 persons, you'll find any of them in seconds.
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Hi Michael,
Having always used a browser and expecting the folders to be mirror images of the Windows folders it will take a bit of getting used to. I think I've a much better understanding now of how EO works. I see too that EO allows captions to be added as well as keywords. Unfortunately I suspect that I've lost 12 years of captions in Canon's Zoom Browser EX as Canon have discontinued this for W10 and it looks like they've no replacement, but I await their reply to this issue.
Thanks for helping me with all of this.