Elements 15: Need the Camera Raw 9.12 plugin update

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Why can't we get timely updates of camera raw for photoshop elements?

For example, camera raw 9.12 came out, but still no update for pse 15. Why?

Pse 15 users are starting to need camera raw 9.12 like in this post:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2355594
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Did you download the latest ACR and try to install it?
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Unfortunately, there is no camera raw installers for photoshop elements.

The ones adobe has on there site like here are for photoshop cc or cs6 and don't work for photoshop elements.
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html
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Now camera raw 9.12 has been released.

Is pse 15 going to this update or is adobe going to cut off pse 15 from anymore camera raw updates like adobe does every year two or three months before a new version of pse is due out?
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Okay now adobe has issued 3 including the 9.10.1, 9.12 and just out 9.12.1 camera raw updates since the last 9.10 camera raw plugin that is available for pse 15.

Last time i checked pse 15 was the current pse version and nobody knows whether there will even be a pse 16.

Is this planned obsolescence by adobe or what?
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JEA, 
I think there should be a PSE16, at least everyone hopes, but we don't when.   

Ya know JEA, according to the build numbers you mention, perhaps the builds are issued for the high number of camera brands and their RAW files which change, and are added quite often.   I think these builds would be an ongoing update for Adobe as a guess.   No matter how many versions are released, there seems to be another RAW file build added per each camera brand, and I am sure Adobe is trying to keep up with the rush of different camera files made.  Those build numbers you show, have single points added to each build number, which seem to be .dat files (updates) added to them to keep them current.   

As for converters, I think those are in place in PSE15 as mentioned through this. And, the latest PSE have converters like the converters in Photoshop 6 and forward to the latest.   Yet, we can own PSE software which is great!    Photoshop CC needs to be subscribed like renting it.   I think PSE makes things more nifty, easy, and I like owning it.   

As for asking "is this planned obsolescence by Adobe?" ...  I'm not sure what, why, or how that relates, as that is baffling me.   Sorry I cannot answer that question.   

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But did you try it? I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that Photoshop Elements actually uses the same version of Camera Raw. Starting it from PSE will limit its functionality, but it is the same code. Just like Lightroom 6 and Lightroom CC are the same code. Worth a try...
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Yes, photoshop elements uses the same camera raw versions, just with some features disabled.

Those installers will not work for photoshop elements 15 and yes many users have tried.
Photoshop elements usually only gets updates from using Help>Updates in pse.
Older versions up to pse 10 had the updates available as downloadable from the adobe updates page, but since pse 11 adobe doesn't provide the separate update installers anymore.

My gripe is either photoshop elements doesn't get new camera raw update at or near the same time photoshop does or doesn't get the update at all and pse 15 will still be the current pse version till late september or early october when the new photoshop elements versions come out, so elements users don't get camera raw updates for like 4 or 5 months
and adobe starting doing that around the time pse 11 came out.

For example, adobe didn't provide an the camera raw 9.10.1 update for pse 15 and now the camera raw 9.12 update has come out.
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JEA

Read Johan's comment above.  You are not satisfied and you will always not be satisfied.  The rest of us get along with what we have as it works for us.  So, wait for October or don't wait and develop your own maybe.  I am seeing a frustrated and (possibly always) dissatisfied person who probably hates the way Elements works, no matter how it might work in the future.  

At this time, CS6 and CC is via subscription.  You might look carefully and long and hard to find a used or new CS6, maybe on Ebay.  Also you can subscribe to Photoshop CC by the month then you will see how you so miss Elements again.  But this may erase all doubts about the plugins in the full Photoshop.  

Since I see a very possible never ending argument, I will not comment on this subject further.   We're sorry we could not help you with this particular subject.  
Thank you for your comments and your time in this forum.   B~bye.   

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Johan,
In the past, I have been able to install ACR in Elements before the update had been added to the Help menu. I even posted the procedure which involved downloading the Photoshop manual installation files among others. That procedure was shared on the Elements forum. The big problem came later as a time bomb:  the manual installation had the effect to forbid the normal, subsequent updates...
It seems that now, Adobe has found a way to really block any manual installation. No need to say, even if I did find a solution, I would no longer share it in the forums...
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Well Jea . . .   

Since PSE14, Elements has had the same camera raw converters as in Photoshop CS6.  Could be you are looking for RAW but are not looking for the Camera file formats while converting from Camera to Photoshop.  Camera RAW files are as follows:  Nikon has NEF as a RAW file.  Canon has CR2 as its camera RAW file.  You are not necessarily looking for the word RAW.   Only for Cameras its called "RAW".   In Photoshop, we don't talk camera-talk, we talk Photoshop-talk.   To convert you are looking for those file formats from the camera and converting them to TIFF which will retain its full non compressed file to be edited in TIFF.   Also note that, cameras compress RAW files to 16 bit compression.   This is why we convert from RAW (camera files) to Photoshop TIFF files. In Photoshop we need those files converted to 8 bit.  All print drivers from every image editor will need 8 bit files to print correctly.  Print drivers will force this conversion on its way to the printer.    Also note that PDF is not the file to convert to, as it is a compressed file, as there are many types of PDF formats, PDF-JPG, PDF-GIF, but if you look carefully, there is an uncompressed PDF-not compressed.  Professionals use TIFF to have more editing flexibility.   

I'm not sure why you are complaining for your lack of RAW files.  Elements was jam packed with RAW converters like a regular Photoshop.  This is why everyone has switched to Elements to own a real program instead of a subscription CC program.   Sounds like the rest of these guys are on the right track and they can help you with your converting maybe.   

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JEA,   
Are you still asking this same question, again?  Can you tell me what the real problem is?  

IF the plugin for Elements is not the same for Photoshop CC or CS6 it may be the same plugin with a different build number.   Each time the build for the plugin was improved or made for Elements, its build number may have changed for example:  9.13 to 9.14 etc.   I think that's what Michel said, and what Johan said also.   Is there a problem with the plugin numbers?   Elements has a RAW converter.   You only need to know the RAW file format for Nikon (NEF), or Canon (CR2).   These files are the RAW format in those cameras.   They will convert to TIFF (8 bit) in Photoshop which is the uncompressed file format for Elements and Photoshop CC and CS6, and the same as RAW (16 bit).   As for RAW, Photoshop does not process pure RAW because ALL printers need a 8 bit format file such as TIFF to print properly.   Otherwise, Elements will convert to 8 bit when it send an image to the printer.  

And JEA, that's the last time I will explain this to you.   You have asked the same question several times.   If you do not understand bits and formats, you need to study those.   

Steve Lehman, MCSE   
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Steve,
I think JEA pefectly knows all the technical sides of RAW updates. Presently, there is no way to update the raw plugin of Elements to more than 9.10. He also knows that he can use the DNGconverter as an annoying workaround. His rant is about Adobe's lack of support for Elements users. In the past, new Camera Raw updates were issued a few days, at most a few weeks after they were issued in the full Photoshop version. No update this time. No answers by Adobe. No update to the editor despite several bugs which looked like easily corrected...

JEA,
About "built-in obsolescence": my feeling is that there is another marketing concept which applies to software or new technologies. The obsolescence is now the impossibility to survive in fast changing environment. The same reason my wife and I feel constrained to change smartphones every two years... There is nothing changed in the code of your software, but the routines and APIs of your OS change, same for drivers, hardware (displays...) No need to build something into the software, the environment will make your present version somehow obsolete next year automatically.
So, the concept is to offer or not ways to update.
- subscription model: it has a cost, you pay for it
- 'perpetual' model: very limited evolution, but you'll be constrained to upgrade every two or three years...

My view is that the DNGconverter is an honest free solution.
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Michel,

Thank you for that fully informative answer.   So the DNG converter is it for PSE.   

But I don't think it should be up to Adobe to provide a converter.  I think the camera makers need to include software that will plug into adobe or another image editor rather than their cable and starter disc.  It wouldn't take much for them to develop a generic converter that would plug into any image viewer, organizer or editor.  Almost all of them are beginning to revolve around Adobe.   

So far, the camera makers have made it their business, not provide anything but JPG photos as their answer to high resolution is large size photos rather than a resolution more than 72.  And the cams on the phones are a joke too.   We shoot in RAW only to get a higher resolution and to convert to TIFF so we can edit better.  I  think the real problem is Canon, Nikon, Sony.   

Steve L.  (you know who)
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JEA,  

I'd like to apologize to you concerning my past replies.   I was given wrong information concerning this topic earlier, that the DNG converter was all that was needed.   Thanks for bringing up this topic.   As in one of my replies, we can hope a new converter is included in the next version.  

Thanks to Michel for clearing this up.   I'll stay with my Windows expertise.   

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It's been about a month since camera raw 10.3 (april 2. 2018) was released for adobe cc applications, but still no 10.3 camera raw update for photoshop 2018.

Why can't we get timely updates of camera raw for photoshop elements?
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Now counting over two months since camera raw 10.3 was issued and not available for photoshop elements 2018.
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JEA, 

The DNG converters are being used for RAW conversions.  get it at:  
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/adobe-dng-converter.html

That's the best I can do.  Frankly, my opinion is that, camera manufacturers have the job of send us a RAW converter per each camera format, so the rest of the applications don't have to furnish them.  It's really the camera manufactures job to do that.  I'm sticking with that opinion.   The DNG works fine.  Download it.   It's generic to any brand of camera and will convert CR2 RAW files from Canon or Nikon's format, NEF.