Photoshop: Why are duplicated linked layers are still linked to originals?

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when i have linked layers, and i duplicate them, i would like the copied layers to not link to the original ones. they can be linked to themselves but not to the original ones. this makes hardly any since as the circumstances under which duplicated linked layers should be linked to the originals are scarce, and all in all is a great cause for uncontrolled and "horrible" backfiring mistakes.
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JEA

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Are any of your layers smart objects?

MTSTUNER
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no, none.
you think this is something i can change in any preference?
it always works this way.. i have 2 linked layers, then i duplicate, lets say, the whole group, to work on a different version, and the new linked layers stay linked to the original ones in the other folder so i need to unlink all, and then relink them again separately... :-(
excuse meeee for being an auto-select user :-)
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Hi,

I'm not able to duplicate what you describe here. If I link two layers and then duplicate one of them, the new layer is not linked to anything. If I duplicate both linked layers, the two new layers are linked to each other, but not to the originals. Can you give exact, step-by-step instructions for reproducing?
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hi,
thanks for finding interest in this post.
The thing is, that this "phenomenon" takes place on some of the duplication methods and doesn't on others.
when you have linked layers inside a group > then duplicate the entire group the linked layers will also be linked to the original linked layers - that means similar layers all linked together in different groups.
Also, when you alt+drag an already linked layer inside the "layers" menu to duplicate it, regardless if it's in a group or not it will be linked to the original (in that case i understand the sense and also you can actually see that the layer you are draggin to duplicate is actually in a linked "mode" - your eyes are actually on that layer and so you can't miss it).
However, the first scenario is rather frustrating. When I duplicate an entire group and start working on it to make a different version, i end up sinking my head in my hands finding out everything changed on the original group as well when i go back to it...
A scenario in which linked layers in different groups as result of duplication is useful is so very very rare (in my experience), and more than that is so very frustrating when unintentionally over looked thus causing (sometimes) irreparable damage that i would very much prefer it to not be a default in the first place.
(if this is something that a checkbox in the preferences window could change and solve, i would be grateful. this is a feature i want to not be part of my program - not linked layers all together, but linked by duplication).
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OK, I see the behavior you describe now. But this is as expected. When you use the Alt-drag method or Ctrl+J (Command+J) shortcut to duplicate layers, this is a "Layer via Copy". That means it is going to "copy" attributes, such as linking, along with the layer. If you use Layer>Duplicate Layer (as opposed to Layer>New>Layer via Copy), you will not see this behavior. My preferred method for duplication is to drag the layer(s)/group(s) to the New Layer icon at the bottom of the Layers Panel. That is why I didn't see the behavior.
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I now understand the difference between the duplicating methods you describe. i would agree about the linked layers in the group to be duplicated as linked to themselves alone as part of the attributes maintaining "policy", however not to be linked to the original ones, thus creating a jungle of linked layers in different groups.
Since this is how it works, I just need to get used to copying, like you said, by the new layer icon and not by dragging, which is not that different, and so applicable.
Thanks a million for the attention and help :-)
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I've not really read this thread to closely, just close enough to see some are consdering the method by which the layers are duped.

I'd just like to plug David Jensen's script which I've found very useful for duping multiple layers and groups. Might be worth a look.

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
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i'm using cs5
ME version 12.1
(but it's been going on for generations :-)

the duplication i'm talking about is by alt+dragging a whole group in the Layers menu...

a screenshot's attached though i hardly think it would reveal anything new..

you can see that the layers in the duplicated group stay linked to the layers in the original group..

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Let me add this:
If now i click on the group in the Layers pannel and move with the arrows - the group moves autonomically without the original layers. However if i click on one of the layers alone and move it, all 4 layers move together - that's where my problem lies...
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Using the Alt+drag in the layers panel to duplicate a layer or layers, linked or not,
grouped or not is like using Layer via Copy, which will keep the layers linked to each other. As an example, if you have two layers linked, select just one of the linked layers and then press Ctrl+J (Layer via Copy) and that copied layer will remain linked to the others. If on the other hand, you drag one of the linked layers down to the Create New Layer icon at the bottom of the layers panel, the layer will be duplicated, but not linked to the other layers.

Instead of alt+drag in the layers panel, drag the selected layers or groups
down to the Create New Layer icon at the bottom of the layers panel.

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OK!

that's it!

I'll just get used to dragging the group to the "new layer" icon instead of to the new position in the panel!
Not so much of a difference in action - big difference in functionality!

thank you very much. you get "☼ good solution!" :-)