Now imagine all the of the people who switch to CaptureOne to tether with... you think all of those people are reorganizing and importing their entire shoot back into Lightroom after they spent 5 days on a job shooting, adjusting, and organizing in C1? I do this.... but it's embarrassing to admit it, and I can't imagine many other people have the patience for that...
Thank you so much for writing such a detailed feedback. It is very constructive and really helpful in understanding your POV. Have shared it with the team internally and we would be reaching out to you for more information. E.g. as Amit already asked, we would like to understand scenarios where tether in Lr becomes unreliable. We have been working on general performance improvements for some time now, would evaluate tether performance as well.
I would also encourage others to share their feedback. We would also need your help in understanding issues and testing. It may take time but I think we can work together to make a difference.
If I've shot 2 or 3 images before I notice the hang, I am sitting there far too long, hoping it will finish transferring, to use this in any kind of production environment, even if creatures that move weren't involved. If I did product or food photography, it wouldn't be cost-effective to wait on it this much.
I've noticed that if it hangs and I stop tethering and start again, that seems to clear up whatever is the problem—for awhile. If I had to work with this several hours a day, I simply wouldn't be able to stand it. It's because I'm not shooting for more than 30-60 minutes at any given time, and my shooting is at my own discretion, that I don't mind enough to stop using it—at least its better than shooting without being tethered and I don't have to buy a new app for it.
However, On1 Photo Raw just came out with tethered shooting as a paid update to those of us who have 2018. It doesn't look like the features are any better than LR's, it wouldn't surprise me if there are bugs or slowness, but I will try it out sometime in the coming week to see how it behaves. At least it's direct to computer, no catalog (on an external drive) getting in the way, so that might be a plus.
I really would like to be able to shoot with Live View, too. It isn't all that easy to set up my camera at odd angles and still contort into position to see through the viewfinder. That means I may end up giving up and taking the camera off the tripod. Not ideal. That brings with it its own limitations to what I can try to do.
So I'm definitely all in favor of Adobe upgrading the feature to be pro-worthy. Us amateur photographers will find life easier, too.
Yes as Stephen say many people switching to C1 just because of tethering.
Im a food photographer so my camera is many times above my head. When im tether on Lightroom i need to take several pictures before i place all props and plates in the frame nicely, this is where live view will come handy. Even i was looking on one tutorial of Andrew Scrivani I think his Adobe ambassador, the funny part was that he was working in Lightroom but keep saying that they are out there some programs with live view. Not sure why ambassador will say this.. so this is for me as well first necessary thing to be developed.
Second thing i can fallow on Stephen complain and tell you the pattern:
>>My first complaint is how unreliable it is. The number of times I have tried to use Lightroom to tether, program freezes and camera connection dropping probably every 10 minutes cause it to be unusable.
When i checking my pictures of what i take in develop module the camera get disconnected. Its still showing me that is connected but it doesn't fire on laptop and when i try fire on my camera, picture doesn't go nowhere. Its not transferred on my computer and its not capture on my SD card. So i learn that im not going back checking my pictures until the job is done.
Second i notice as well is when i change my lens i switch my camera off and when i switch back on it showing me camera that is detected but when I fire pictures are not transferred on computer.
As well if my laptop go to sleep mode Lightroom will not fire my camera after i wake him up.
im using Nikon D850 and Nikon D750 sometimes i tether both at same time. but im facing with some problems. Not always my settings apply to correct camera. So i don't bother my self again with settings before the job is done.
So many times i need to restart lightroom switch of my camera in front of client what is really embarrassing.
So to wrap things I think live view and control your camera in Lightroom will help a lot with overall experience. Sorry for my English its not my first language guys but hope you understand my frustration
Here i will start posting links of different professional photographers around the globe that reviewing tethering and how essential this become in world of creativity.
F Stoppers article from Christopher Malcolm
March 8 2018
F Stoppers article from Jeff Carpentr
January 14, 2018
F Stoppers article from Tihomir Lazarov
November 17, 2016
Here is just few that I find today. If something more come up i will post. Hope this will help in developing.
First of all, thank you for engaging about feedback for the seriously lacking Tethering issues in LR.
As for the issues:
Quite simply, open up Capture One Pro and use it, then do the same with Lightroom.
The pain points are obvious.
- LR is slower than C1P — previews of new captures while tethered show up painfully slow, exported images process slower, etc.
- LR lacks "live view", software powered focus adjustments, and many camera related technical controls that C1P has.
- There are no "overlay" options, Capture One Pro allows for an image to be overlaid so that a layout or composition can be composed to fit perfectly to an art directors layout.
There isn't even a keyboard shortcut for taking a picture while tethered in Lightroom. That's insane. Especially when you consider that every pro photographer, assistant, or even art director knows ⌘+K (for Capture One)
- There is nothing like "Capture Pilot" for monitoring and review on multiple platforms
- Fully programable "Time lapse" features should be available, that would be a nice one up on C1P
Tethering is of CRITICAL IMPORTANCE to commercial photographers, please make it important.
In general, make Lightroom Classic into "Lightroom Pro" — And deliver all the things us pros want, we would happily trade the lame facial recognition, book making, map, and print module for the stuff we actually could use, like better tethering support, SPEED and PERFORMANCE, and an "Output/Processing/Export" module that can be enabled to process out different formats and resolutions at once.
View > Loupe Overlay was introduced specifically because of this requirement.
There is nothing like "Capture Pilot" for monitoring and review on multiple platforms
When you start tethering in LR, select a collection which is synced. New photos then appear on any device, local or remote, without installing any apps anywhere. I've used this to run a shoot in London for a client reviewing in Paris (not sure I could do that with built-in tools in C1). But I do like Capture Pilot.
Obviously C1 is better than LR at tethering. But given PhaseOne's market, it simply has to excel in that area.
I am have been tethering for past 6 years on both C1 and lightroom and I have to say C1 is exceptionally good at it. While lightroom has improved from the previous years (slightly more stable connection), it still lacks some key functionality to be considered in studio workflow tethering.
Here is the list of key features required for anyone working on any level of commercial or personal project
Needless to mention - with "Stable connection"
1) Control to change shutter speeds, iso, aperture
2) Battery indicator
3) Live View with option to select focus
4) Micro Focus adjustments
5) More control on placement of layout overlay
6) Control to adjust Focus point without live view
7) Option to allow images to be recorded to desktop only or card and desktop
A focus mask would great addition to the list.
My question is Will we ever see these in lightroom with stable connection? I prefer the simplicity of UI of lightroom + the way we can manage Digital Assets but with constant need to tether, lightroom is very limiting and cannot continue to be the preferred choice if no improvements are made soon.
Just to let you know, they way I currently work is I use Smart Shooter 3 to capture and then import images in lightroom with Auto Import feature. Shuffling between the two is a pain and not practical anymore.
I hope the improvements to tethering is done sooner than later. In fact I hope there is a plan to make improvements in the first place.
Would love to hear whats in the pipeline in development for tethering.
To all those who have participated in this thread we would like to invite you to a special test area to review, test and advise Adobe on in-process improvements to the tethered-capture process in Lightroom Classic CC. Currently we have testing available for Mac users with Canon Cameras. We plan to add other cameras and Windows to the mix in the future.
If you are interested in participating in this Tether prerelease testing and are a Mac user with a Canon camera currently supported for tethering, please reply to this comment. You will be contacted by Adobe with further instructions.Thank you for your patience and enthusiasm for Lightroom Classic CC.
To all those who have participated in this thread we would like to invite you to a special test area to review, test and advise Adobe on in-process improvements to the tethered-capture process in Lightroom Classic CC. We now have testing available for Windows users with Canon Cameras. We plan to add other cameras to the mix in the future.
If you are interested in participating in this Tether prerelease testing and are a Windows user with a Canon camera currently supported for tethering, please reply to this comment. You will be contacted by Adobe with further instructions.Thank you for your patience and enthusiasm for Lightroom Classic CC.
mostly the same concerns as Stephens original first post - though maybe in a different order. I also work as an assistent on commercial sets, and usually there are five to ten poeple looking at the screen while the photographer is shooting tethered with C1. Almost noone shoots to card. The image is there immediately even with large digital backs. And Focus check is possible right away. Only then make-up, set dresser, creative director and photographer can make the necessary adjustments (and at that point nobody cares about keywords or the book module). When shooting with LR it takes a wihle for the image to load as a regular preview, but it takes a long while for the 100% to render, while everyone is waiting.
I've seen someone shooting with a Sony at 10FPS (RAW of course) into C1 and there weren't any problems.
For my own work I use LR and find the integration of catalogue and developement hard to beat, but tethering with a client on set is a pain. Though at least it's now stable with my Canons.
Plus lets say the costs of production for a commercial day is somewhere around 15000 for ten hours. That's an extra cost of 750, if you take half an hour longer compared to C1, because of instability and waiting.
Maybe one of your Head Product developers should try and visit a commercial photographer on set and see what it looks like to shoot with C1 and why speed and stabiity matters most on such a set. I think such a real life experience would really help the program, which seems to be very oriented towards an office/postproduction workflow. Or hire Stephen to help you, he clearly knows, what he's talking about and has experience with LR and C1. That would be well invested money for Adobe.
To all those who have participated in this thread in the past, we would like to invite you to a special test area to review, test and advise Adobe on in-process improvements to the tethered-capture process in Lightroom Classic CC. Currently we have testing available for Mac and Windows users with Nikon Cameras.
If you are interested in participating in this Tether prerelease testing and use a Nikon camera currently supported for tethering, please reply to this new comment. You will be contacted by Adobe with further instructions.
You can verify if your camera is supported here: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/tethered-camera-support.htmlThank you for your patience and enthusiasm for Lightroom Classic CC.
I know many people who shoot, develop, deliver and most likely never touch the images again (therefore not needing keywords, maps, books,...) Some of them could probably use collections and so on to finish the job more efficiently, but their primary concern will be the capture process, because you can't fix most things in postproduction, that you messed up on set. It's no fun with twenty people on set and your camera keeps disconnecting or you're the only photographer in town where they all have to wait 10 seconds to see the shot. Time is short, people get stressed, the mood is down, the models get nervous - no fix for that in develop module. But that's what counts if you want a second job from the same customer.
Therefore the capture process has to be tethered, fast, flawless and with liveview, extended camera controls (Canon Utilities even controls manual focus - useful, when the camera is mounted a few metres above the set for example) and some sort of wireless option like C1 pilot or any other image to tablet/phone transfer.
So I think there a basically two pretty separate customer groups:
1. needs perfect capture and develop, shoots tethered (commercial, automotive, studio,...)
2. needs many of the other cataloguing functions, shoots to card (wildlife, press, event, wedding,...)
you sure have many of the second group, but almost none of the first group. If you want to get those customers, you need to be on par with C1 for DSLR, Mirrorless and Digital backs. The develop Module is probably good enough already.
Good to hear, that you try and get there.
In fact, it has gotten worse they last few version, I can't even get it to see my cameras usually now.
I'm using Nikon D5, D850 and Z6's on a late Mac laptop when I tether.
When it does work it randomly disconnects and it's a real pain. I have done a few hundred shoots with LR teetered and I can't remember ONE that went all the way through without a disconnect of some sort.
On the other hand, If I run Capture One Pro, I plug it in and it just works....no failures..
The problem for me is workflow, while I think C1 does have far superior tethering and perhaps renditions, LR's web module is something I use on every job.
Workflow is shoot, rough edit, upload web gallery, clients picks, post production in PS
I would love to do it all in LR, but right now it just isn't possible.
I'm also not a fan of the whole catalogue thing, not of much use in my business.
HOW DO I SEGMENT PHOTOS BY SHOTS? Menu Choice Dissapeared
Yes, I clicked on the checkbox when I first tether, but then after I make my first subfolder name, when I go to make the second one, it used to be shift-command-T on the mac or you could go to the tether menu. NOW BOTH OPTIONS ARE GONE!!!!!
I shoot corporate headshots. LR if it works, is great for this. I make the SESSION NAME the date and the name of the corporation. Then I segment photos by shots for each persons name I photograph. Its a nice folder structure. Every update it seems a crap shoot on how it works.
Like the others, I have encountered, unable to connect issues. I shoot with canon 5dm3 and 5dm4. For a year, I had my 5dm4 sit in my bag because LR didnt recognize it. (I keep all software updated)
Now it works with it. The segment photos option disspapeared and then reappeared with updates and is now gone again. I have shoots that will stop loading the images halfway thru.
I have had the camera recognized, but none of the shots would load into LR.
EVERYDAY IS A CRAP SHOOT WITH LR. I would bail and go to C1 in a heartbeat if C1 offered the segmented photos and the ABILITY TO EMAIL IMAGES (which is awesome, thanks LR!, you got that one right at least).