Now imagine all the of the people who switch to CaptureOne to tether with... you think all of those people are reorganizing and importing their entire shoot back into Lightroom after they spent 5 days on a job shooting, adjusting, and organizing in C1? I do this.... but it's embarrassing to admit it, and I can't imagine many other people have the patience for that...
Thank you so much for writing such a detailed feedback. It is very constructive and really helpful in understanding your POV. Have shared it with the team internally and we would be reaching out to you for more information. E.g. as Amit already asked, we would like to understand scenarios where tether in Lr becomes unreliable. We have been working on general performance improvements for some time now, would evaluate tether performance as well.
I would also encourage others to share their feedback. We would also need your help in understanding issues and testing. It may take time but I think we can work together to make a difference.
If I've shot 2 or 3 images before I notice the hang, I am sitting there far too long, hoping it will finish transferring, to use this in any kind of production environment, even if creatures that move weren't involved. If I did product or food photography, it wouldn't be cost-effective to wait on it this much.
I've noticed that if it hangs and I stop tethering and start again, that seems to clear up whatever is the problem—for awhile. If I had to work with this several hours a day, I simply wouldn't be able to stand it. It's because I'm not shooting for more than 30-60 minutes at any given time, and my shooting is at my own discretion, that I don't mind enough to stop using it—at least its better than shooting without being tethered and I don't have to buy a new app for it.
However, On1 Photo Raw just came out with tethered shooting as a paid update to those of us who have 2018. It doesn't look like the features are any better than LR's, it wouldn't surprise me if there are bugs or slowness, but I will try it out sometime in the coming week to see how it behaves. At least it's direct to computer, no catalog (on an external drive) getting in the way, so that might be a plus.
I really would like to be able to shoot with Live View, too. It isn't all that easy to set up my camera at odd angles and still contort into position to see through the viewfinder. That means I may end up giving up and taking the camera off the tripod. Not ideal. That brings with it its own limitations to what I can try to do.
So I'm definitely all in favor of Adobe upgrading the feature to be pro-worthy. Us amateur photographers will find life easier, too.
Yes as Stephen say many people switching to C1 just because of tethering.
Im a food photographer so my camera is many times above my head. When im tether on Lightroom i need to take several pictures before i place all props and plates in the frame nicely, this is where live view will come handy. Even i was looking on one tutorial of Andrew Scrivani I think his Adobe ambassador, the funny part was that he was working in Lightroom but keep saying that they are out there some programs with live view. Not sure why ambassador will say this.. so this is for me as well first necessary thing to be developed.
Second thing i can fallow on Stephen complain and tell you the pattern:
>>My first complaint is how unreliable it is. The number of times I have tried to use Lightroom to tether, program freezes and camera connection dropping probably every 10 minutes cause it to be unusable.
When i checking my pictures of what i take in develop module the camera get disconnected. Its still showing me that is connected but it doesn't fire on laptop and when i try fire on my camera, picture doesn't go nowhere. Its not transferred on my computer and its not capture on my SD card. So i learn that im not going back checking my pictures until the job is done.
Second i notice as well is when i change my lens i switch my camera off and when i switch back on it showing me camera that is detected but when I fire pictures are not transferred on computer.
As well if my laptop go to sleep mode Lightroom will not fire my camera after i wake him up.
im using Nikon D850 and Nikon D750 sometimes i tether both at same time. but im facing with some problems. Not always my settings apply to correct camera. So i don't bother my self again with settings before the job is done.
So many times i need to restart lightroom switch of my camera in front of client what is really embarrassing.
So to wrap things I think live view and control your camera in Lightroom will help a lot with overall experience. Sorry for my English its not my first language guys but hope you understand my frustration
Here i will start posting links of different professional photographers around the globe that reviewing tethering and how essential this become in world of creativity.
F Stoppers article from Christopher Malcolm
March 8 2018
F Stoppers article from Jeff Carpentr
January 14, 2018
F Stoppers article from Tihomir Lazarov
November 17, 2016
Here is just few that I find today. If something more come up i will post. Hope this will help in developing.
First of all, thank you for engaging about feedback for the seriously lacking Tethering issues in LR.
As for the issues:
Quite simply, open up Capture One Pro and use it, then do the same with Lightroom.
The pain points are obvious.
- LR is slower than C1P — previews of new captures while tethered show up painfully slow, exported images process slower, etc.
- LR lacks "live view", software powered focus adjustments, and many camera related technical controls that C1P has.
- There are no "overlay" options, Capture One Pro allows for an image to be overlaid so that a layout or composition can be composed to fit perfectly to an art directors layout.
There isn't even a keyboard shortcut for taking a picture while tethered in Lightroom. That's insane. Especially when you consider that every pro photographer, assistant, or even art director knows ⌘+K (for Capture One)
- There is nothing like "Capture Pilot" for monitoring and review on multiple platforms
- Fully programable "Time lapse" features should be available, that would be a nice one up on C1P
Tethering is of CRITICAL IMPORTANCE to commercial photographers, please make it important.
In general, make Lightroom Classic into "Lightroom Pro" — And deliver all the things us pros want, we would happily trade the lame facial recognition, book making, map, and print module for the stuff we actually could use, like better tethering support, SPEED and PERFORMANCE, and an "Output/Processing/Export" module that can be enabled to process out different formats and resolutions at once.
View > Loupe Overlay was introduced specifically because of this requirement.
There is nothing like "Capture Pilot" for monitoring and review on multiple platforms
When you start tethering in LR, select a collection which is synced. New photos then appear on any device, local or remote, without installing any apps anywhere. I've used this to run a shoot in London for a client reviewing in Paris (not sure I could do that with built-in tools in C1). But I do like Capture Pilot.
Obviously C1 is better than LR at tethering. But given PhaseOne's market, it simply has to excel in that area.
I am have been tethering for past 6 years on both C1 and lightroom and I have to say C1 is exceptionally good at it. While lightroom has improved from the previous years (slightly more stable connection), it still lacks some key functionality to be considered in studio workflow tethering.
Here is the list of key features required for anyone working on any level of commercial or personal project
Needless to mention - with "Stable connection"
1) Control to change shutter speeds, iso, aperture
2) Battery indicator
3) Live View with option to select focus
4) Micro Focus adjustments
5) More control on placement of layout overlay
6) Control to adjust Focus point without live view
7) Option to allow images to be recorded to desktop only or card and desktop
A focus mask would great addition to the list.
My question is Will we ever see these in lightroom with stable connection? I prefer the simplicity of UI of lightroom + the way we can manage Digital Assets but with constant need to tether, lightroom is very limiting and cannot continue to be the preferred choice if no improvements are made soon.
Just to let you know, they way I currently work is I use Smart Shooter 3 to capture and then import images in lightroom with Auto Import feature. Shuffling between the two is a pain and not practical anymore.
I hope the improvements to tethering is done sooner than later. In fact I hope there is a plan to make improvements in the first place.
Would love to hear whats in the pipeline in development for tethering.
To all those who have participated in this thread we would like to invite you to a special test area to review, test and advise Adobe on in-process improvements to the tethered-capture process in Lightroom Classic CC. Currently we have testing available for Mac users with Canon Cameras. We plan to add other cameras and Windows to the mix in the future.
If you are interested in participating in this Tether prerelease testing and are a Mac user with a Canon camera currently supported for tethering, please reply to this comment. You will be contacted by Adobe with further instructions.Thank you for your patience and enthusiasm for Lightroom Classic CC.