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My main challenges with 7.3.1 are:
- I can't see new presets both in Lightroom and in the destination folder when I create them
- I can't get in alphabetical order older presets renamed in 7.3.0, even
changing the name more than one time
- Only a part of presets are now in alphabetical order. This is a
relevant part but the change is not complete.
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Is this what the panel is supposed to look like? I doesn't appear to be alphabetically sorted to me.
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1: Adobe general presets
2: Adobe effects presets
3: Adobe Classic presets
4: Custom presets
Inside each group everything sorts as expected. When you specify some presets as 'favorite', you will see that the Favorites group comes all the way at the top.
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Doesn't look like it's alphabetical to me
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Thanks for your comments on my questions.
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The plugin also provides workarounds for a number of other develop preset issues.
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FIx Presets will replace numbers embedded in the name with zero-padded numbers, to achieve the proper numeric sorting that was present in LR 7.2 and earlier and is still used in the Collections and Folders panels. For example, collections with leading numbers in their names will sort "1 C", "3 C", "20 C". Given a preset name "23 - 5 Orange", Fix Presets will give it the SortName "000023 - 000005 Orange", to achieve the proper sorting. (Internally, LR has a sort function that does this hybrid numeric sorting, but the programmer forgot to use it in the new Presets panel.)
If/when a future release of LR fixes the issue, presets that have been corrected by Fix Prests will continue to work and sort properly. (The internal LR numeric sorting treats a leading "000023" in the name the same as "23".)
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Please contact me by email at the support address on the plugin's web page. Based on that error message, something obviously unexpected is happening with your preset folder.
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https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-sdk-preset-getfile-incorrectly-retu...
I released a new version that works around it.
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Adobe changed the internal implementation of presets considerably, to allow them to be shared with Camera Raw and as part of the new "enhanced profiles", which provide users with a number of new features and advantages.
Unfortunately, Adobe completely botched the testing (quality assurance) and released these worthwhile changes with lots of obvious bugs.
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As a developer myself I would be ashamed to offer something like that to my clients.
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This thread contains users who might benefit from the Manage window. That is additional information for users who rely on managing and organizing their presets.
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Concerning sort, alphabetical order is fine as long as *all* groups are sorted even the default ones. If you can't do that, instead allow custom sort.
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Can you give examples Christine? Screenshots would be ideal. They've fixed the obvious issues, but there clearly could still be some outlying situations they haven't caught yet.
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Inside an .lrtemplate file, there are two name properties... "internalName" and "title"... when you initially create a preset file, they are both the same. But it is possible for the "title" to become different than the "internalName" (especially for preset developers who are editing .lrtemplate files directly).
Example of .lrtemplate file:

So here, I must have changed the title directly in a text editor.
In any case, this didn't matter, because ALL PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF LIGHTROOM only looked at the "title" property to determine how to sort presets.
Enter LR Classic 7.3 and the .xmp conversion...
XMP also has a number of properties related to the name of the preset. The "Name" property is the displayed name...
BUT... XMP has a "SortName" property. And this property determines how Lightroom actually sorts the presets.
When LR 7.3 converted .lrtemplate files to .xmp files, it took the "internalName" and placed it in the "SortName" property...
Example...

AND unlike all previous lightroom versions, the .xmp presets actually do get sorted by the sortName property...
So now, inside Lightroom Classic, you see presets that are mostly sorted, but with seemingly random deviations from that sorting...

All that to say, I wish that Adobe hadn't assumed that we wanted the internalName to now be used a sorting device (which it never had been before). But I don't think it is cool that now we have the ability to do custom orders without changing the display name!
Now... I've got a lot of presets to update..."
Here is a sample of what I am seeing in LR CC 7.4 after updating.
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It is well past the time to stop introducing new "features & enhancements" and just fix the software.
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