Deleted (synched) photos from smart-phone... Still appear in LR... Is it Normal?

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Is it a true statement that if I delete a synched photo on my smart phone, it very well can still reside on my computer and not be auto-deleted to match what I now currently have on my phone? (my thought is that it's because it already has been uploaded to my computer?...) I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Synching feature and how the files are being treated. Thanks so much in advance...
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Antoine Hlmn

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It is true: once your images are imported in Classic, deleting them in the cloud will not delete them from your computer.
There are, to my knowledge, 2 ways to handle this:
1) Only sync classic AFTER you’ve deleted the files from LR. Not very handy, granted.
2) more useful, here’s my workflow:
  • On my phone, tablet, I have a specific folder for imported images. This to separate them from images synced FROM classic
  • In this folder, I load my images in specific albums with specific naming convention (date-topic)
  • Those albums are mirrored in Classic in collections located in « LR synced images » or something like that. Note: deleting images in the cloud WILL delete the in this collection. That’s the key.
  • In Classic, my images are imported in folders by date (that doesn’t matter much) but once I’m on desktop, I move the images from the synced images in a similarly named folder. The images left behind are automatically the one deleted in the cloud
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Antoine,

1) Just curious, hypothetically in the not handy work flow, how would you even decide when you would sync or not sync? And in this non-handy-work-flow, do you mean going back and forth in settings, and turning syncing on or off every time you want to delete a file?

2) I follow except up to the part where you said "I move the images from the synced images in a similarly named folder. "  Maybe I need to try this out to get to that step and visually see what you're doing. I get stumped trying to visualize what you're referring to at that step. I'm not sure what you're referring to or what the process is when you say move the "images from the synced images in a similarly named folder"... :/
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Hi Elizabeth,

1) No, I don’t turn sync off an on to prevent uploading images I would delete. (I sometimes do it because sync gets stuck, as it is for me since 2 weeks, but reliability is something else). I mentioned this as an ultimate way to control what’s uploaded, but not really as a good workflow. The only times I apply this workflow is when connection is really bad or nonexistent, which happens a lot to me on the field. Which brings to another, highly debated topic: sync in other ways than over the cloud,

2) Bear with me:
First, I like to organize my images in folders (also called albums or collections depending on where used...) with specific naming: date - identifier. This means I have no image outside a folder or whatever.

When synced from cloud to classic, albums (in cloud) are mirrored (same name) in collections inside a collection set called « From LR Mobile »



The images are imported in a specific folder and sorted by date, but this is not very important. Helps for double check. They are imported but not yet sorted according to the albums I had created on mobile (which are now mirrored in « From Lr Mobile »)

Now I copy my imported collection’s name (in this case 2019-10-04 Imported...), create a folder where I want my images and drag the images from the collection into that folder.

Now I have: originals in the cloud AND in Classic, organized as I wish, but...

Once I’m close to my 20 Go limit, here is what I do:
I remove the collections ins the smart collection « From Lr Mobile » in order to remove them from the cloud. It’s important to do this first.

Then I create NEW collections (just by dragging them) I can sync back up to the cloud. I lose the 1:1 file but that’s the price to pay of having only a 20 Go plan. It’s enough for me, I don’t need full size of all my images.

Note: if you first sync your images and only then remove the collection from « From Lr Mobile », the originals will remain into the cloud and you’ll HAVE NO MEANS OF SORTING ORIGINALS FROM SMART PREVIEWS ! The only way to sort this out is by removing everything and syncing back, very time, bandwidth and processor consuming. (Or using cloudy Lr)

Hope it helps, and sorry for the novel
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My approach to this issue is to ensure that I handle all deletions/removals mainly from within Classic:

1. If I want to permanently delete a file from Classic and the Cloud, I delete the file from within Classic, which will also sync that deletion to the cloud so that it is removed from there also (and thus deleted from all other synced devices).

2. If I want to delete a file from the Cloud, but retain it in Classic, I would simply remove the image from the All Synced Photographs collection in Classic. That "unsyncs" the image, which causes it to be deleted from the cloud, but retains it in the Classic catalog.

As you have discovered, deleting an image from within any of the cloud apps will remove it from the cloud but will only cause it to be removed from the All Synced Photographs collection in Classic, where it will still remain cataloged.

If I'm away from my desktop when I decide I want to delete a file from the cloud and/or Classic I'll simply use the reject flag in a cloud app (likely my phone) and process that reject flag in Classic when I get back.


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If I'm away from my desktop when I decide I want to delete a file from the cloud and/or Classic I'll simply use the reject flag in a cloud app (likely my phone) and process that reject flag in Classic when I get back.
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Jim, thank you!! OK so would you just generally not be deleting files from your native phone app? (Like you take a few bad shots, and want to immediately delete the bad ones from the native photo album app. Instead, you open up LR phone app to hit reject only, and finally delete from your desktop computer later that night, like you said.)

also more specifically to your answers to my questions,

#2) Does the "All Synced Photographs" refer to only photos in the cloud, then, and not photos that are on my hard drive? Because then that would make sense to what you're saying, regarding if you delete an image from there, that the image can and will still be available in the catalog (b/c it still exists on the drive). Thanks in advance for helping me clarify/understand what the "All Synced Photographs" means, because in the left bar, I've been trying to make sense of all the different things linking back to my synced photos. That takes care of one of them. I can probably figure out the rest.

Thanks again in advance!!!
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"All synced photographs" refer to only photos on the cloud. "All photos" refers to everything including "Cloud" and hard drive.
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OK so would you just generally not be deleting files from your native phone app?

I'm not sure what you mean by native phone app? If you mean the native phone's storage location (Camera Roll in my case as I use an iPhone) when using the phone's native camera, I rarely use the phone's camera as I much prefer the LR app's camera, so the question really doesn't arise for me. But sure, if I was using the native camera then of course it would be perfectly sensible to delete the duds from the Camera Roll before starting the LR app (so the duds never even get into the Adobe cloud).

However, using the LR app any new capture would immediately start uploading to the cloud. I could delete a dud immediately from the phone, but only if I know that I don't have Classic currently active on the desktop in my study back home. To be safe, I'd still tend to use the "reject flag" instead of doing a full delete. 
My main use case for processing deletions from the phone would be when I'm away from my home and have some time on my hands so can look through the current batch of "still to be processed" images where I can delete (by using the flag) any obvious "not worth keeping" images.

Regarding "All Synced Photographs", and being pedantic, it actually contains images that are both in the cloud and on the the hard drive. Basically, it's a collection, albeit one with special properties, but being a collection in Classic all images in that collection will exist on the local hard drive, i.e. they can't be just in that collection, they'll all physically exist in one of the cataloged folders. The "special properties" of ASP are that all images in that collection will also be synced with the cloud, so that adding or removing images to/from that collection will cause the image to be synced automatically to the cloud (smart preview only) or removed from the cloud.

There's a quite commonly held misconception that the only way to sync images from Classic to the cloud is by adding them to an already-existng synced collection, or adding them to a new collection and then enabling that collection for syncing. That's not the case, being a collection it is possible to add unsynced images to the ASP and that will cause that image to be synced as a smart preview to the cloud. I have 20k images in the cloud, but probably less than half are currently organised in collections/albums.
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