Lightroom Classic: Deleted collections don't get removed

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Sometimes, when deleting a collection, it doesn't get removed from the collection pane.  I can't click on it, and it won't show the photos inside it, but the collection is still there in the list.  Restarting Lightroom Classic (macOS 10.15.4 / iMac 2019 27" / Lightroom Classic 9.2.1 - Build 202004070813-7699d98a) fixes the bug and the collections disappear. 

After a restart the issue seems to go away, and the deleted collections disappear, and now when I delete collections they disappear properly.  At some point (no idea what triggers it) this bug returns and once again deleted collections don't disappear.  I've encountered this twice now (at least that I've noticed).
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Some tasks take a significant period of time. If you had waited some additional time, the collection "might" have disappeared without the restart. If participation in a collection is stored in the XMP or each file or some other location, all those references have to be removed. Depending on the size of your collection and the speed of your drive, that could take awhile. 
 
Though to be fair, there are numerous bugs that require either a restart of Lightroom (the easiest and quickest way) or bouncing around through the library, keywords... Just quicker to restart. 
 
I just deleted a couple collections (75 images and 162 images) and they each disappeared in about 3-4 seconds. On V9.2.1 of Lightroom, on Windows. 
 

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I had waited a while, and these (at least the last time, today, which prompted the bug report) the collections were under 50 images.  After a restart they deleted fairly instantly, as well as other collections with thousands or 10s of thousands of images.
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Seems like you have another of the "not until restart" bugs. 
 
Somebody should create a list, the most common one mentioned on the forum is the "round trip to Photoshop" bug. There is a go-around fix for this one but unless on a slow computer, it is faster to just restart. 
 
A question for you re: collections. It seems to me that the only value to using a collection vs a keyword is the ability to control the order of the photos. Is this correct or am I missing something? 

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"It seems to me that the only value to using a collection vs a keyword is the ability to control the order of the photos"

Alan and you have already discussed much of this, but you might be interested in this detailed comparison of keywords versus collections in LR:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-classic-help-with-setting-up-collections-for-all-my-digital-family-photos?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=all&topic-reply-list[settings][reply_id]=19280405#reply_19280405

Besides allowing custom sort orders of photos, collections have fewer capabilities than keywords in LR and are not quite as easy to work with.
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Some people like collections, some like keywords.  I can create a hierarchy of collections or collection sets to organize photos into logical groups where keywords wouldn't really work.  For example, right now I'm going back through all my personal photos from 2000 on and creating trees of collections. IE:

2012
2012 / People
2012 / People / Family
2012 / People / Friends
2012 / Places
2012 / Places / Vancouver
2012 / Places / Home
2012 / Travel
2012 / Travel / England
2012 / Travel / Oregon
2012 / Events
2012 / Events / Weddings
etc etc

Then I'm going through my archive by year and popping a few photos (for example 2012 has 635 images in it) of significance into each one.  So I won't break up photos from Vancouver into each trip there, but I'd have a couple of my best photos from each trip there in it (I live close by which is why it's not under "travel"). 

Because of how collections work I can have photos with both friends and family in both the friends and the family collections.

I'm sure you can do some of this with keyworks, but to me collections are basically like photo albums that you can put the same photo into multiple ones.

I've also got collections for posting to instagram, so if I see a shot that might work there from a shoot I'll just drag it in.  At one point I was using keywords and smart collections for this (a smart collection looking for the keyword for_instagram for example), but this got messy as I'd forget to remove the keyword after it was posted, or restricting to 'for_instagram' and 'wedding', but not when the folder contained 'scout' (if I had a folder for scouting a wedding location, etc).  So I kinda gave up on keywords other than some very broad ones (boudoir, wedding, family, EnglandTrip2013) and started using collections more. 

At one point I was a huge keyworder, going down to things like 'umbrella' 'red' 'emotion' that sort of thing, but I just couldn't be bothered to keep up after a point.... just a change in library maintenance style I guess :)

Of course my collections have gotten out of hand (hence the pruning I'm doing) so I need to be more diligent on this as well :)

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You can do this with keywords: 

2012
2012 / People
2012 / People / Family
2012 / People / Friends
2012 / Places
2012 / Places / Vancouver
2012 / Places / Home
2012 / Travel
2012 / Travel / England
2012 / Travel / Oregon
2012 / Events
2012 / Events / Weddings 
 
I don't see anything in your explanation that is more or less work than with keywords. Similar to using labels and flags, don't see any purpose to them either.
 
To each his own but with more ways to do the same thing means more bugs and longer development time by Adobe. Not sure that we users come out ahead. 
 

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Oh absolutely, you can, but for me dragging photos in and out of collection folders is way faster than typing in long strings for keywords or finding them in the keyword panel.  But to each their own.

I have to clean up my keywords as well, that's another project :)

I think the other thing - for me - is displaying my collections as collection of nested folders.  I think of this as move a virtual photo album, not necessarily a library management system that I'd use to search for.  IE: "let me look at what happened in 2012" vs "let me find my photos of friends from 2012".

If you were to do this would you use smart collections to display the photos based on keyword? 
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"...typing in long strings..." - don't know what you are talking about. Other than the original creation of the keywords, just like the original creation of the collections, no further typing involved. Select the photos and then click on the keyword.  
 
create keyword 2012
create keyword People within 2012 
create keyword Family within People
create keyword Friends within People
 
Highlight photos and then click on the little box on the left side of the appropriate keyword. 
 
When you want to see all the Family photos for 2012, a single click on the arrow at the right side of the Family keyword on the arrow at the right side of the 2012 People keyword in the 2012 hierarchy. To see all the People in 2012, just click on the arrow at the right side of the People keyword in the 2012 hierarchy. 
 
Attached is a small amount of my keyword hierarchy. 
 

  

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Ahh... I see what you're doing.  Basically you're doing exactly what I'm doing, but in the keyword panel instead of the collection panel.  Sorry my use of hierarchical keywords is pretty low, so I'd forgotten you can do it that way :)

But your system and mine look almost identical other than which side of Lightroom we're doing it on :)



I guess to answer your earlier question - no, no difference then - other than I guess being able to change the order.

Dammit, now I have to go and re-look at my keyword set up as well... thanks a lot Bill!

Regardless of all of this, I still want Adobe to fix the stupid collection delete-not-deleting thing :)
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It’s hard to fix bugs that are not easily repeatable.  I have never seen anyone else report this issue and have never seen it myself although I am not in the habit creating and deleting collections all the time.
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Nope, completely agree. I’m also not in the habit of deleting collections all the time, but occasionally I do. That’s why it was so surprising to see this pop up twice in the last week.

If adobe techs monitor this forum maybe someone will see this and that might twig someone’s mind about something, or make them think of a circumstance where this *could* happen. I doubt it, but that’s why I posted this to begin with :). Definitely if I can figure out a way to reproduce it I’ll follow up of course.
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I will keep an eye out for this issue too.  Maybe it has happened but I didn’t notice considering it corrects itself on restart