Lightroom: Create virtual copy with simultaneous preset

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is it possible to create a virtual copy SIMULTANEOUSLY with a preset added (e.g.mono)?

If not it would be a great feature:)

I often find I want to store and work with a B+W virtual copy, ad would find the option to aply a preset at the same time as crating a VC a boon as it is alos ahard ( for me) to tell which is the VF usually, and which I often wnat to see without settings or other slight change from the original, so a VF with prest would be a huge time saver

-> and I requesteth it:)
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There are several ways to identify a virtual copy from the original on my Windows LR3, at least, none of which are that it looks slightly different than the original in Loupe view because a VC is initially created with the same settings as the original:

The VC has focus immediately after creating it, so just apply whatever preset immediately and it'll be the correct one.

The VC has an upturned page corner badge at the lower left of the thumbnail.

The VC says / Copy 1 after the current-file filename shown at the top of the thumbnail bar when you mouse over the VC, and no Copy x when it is the original.

Are these things not enough to let you know which one is the virtual copy?
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If Adobe implemented your request, how do you see it working: an additional checkbox on every Preset definition to also create a virtual copy, or have a checkbox at the top of your list of presets that says to make a VC when it is checked, or have Create Virtual Copy as a right-click menu option on each Preset name, or another menu item that says Create Virtual Copy with Preset... and then navigate to the right preset from a menu that pops up, or pressing a combination of shift/ctrl/option/alt keys when you click on a preset from a menu of presets that activates creating a virtual copy, or what would seem easy to you, and less complicated than creating a virtual copy immediately followed by selecting a develop preset?
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Thanks - I still think it would be a time saver;)
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If you don't already know, the Black and White is created by the use of the[V] keystroke.

As Steve says, the VC has focus immediately after creating it.

So, [CTRL] + [ ' ] and then [V] will get you there in under a second.

Remember also that your filter bar, set to attributes allows you to filter for and select only VC's
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Thanks for your comments: but that just converts to greyscale, I prefer either a desaturation in the basic panel, or desaturation using the HSL sliders

Think it's all the same? - Try it - they're different

The two methods mentioned are my preferred ( and IMO superior ) methods for producing mono to export for contrast masking in Photoshop. Also this way I could set two presets for mono e.eg. one that favoured the highlights and one favoured the shadows, etc. before merging in Ps

What I am after is fast ways to increased options.

Thanks
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You know the HSL sliders method was only a workaround for a noise reduction bug that affected early LR1 versions? That said, dragging round more sliders gives people the comforting feeling that it's a better method.
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OK but it makes interesting changes;)
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The other disadvantage is you can't use smart collections to find B&W images.
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you can if you have labelled them;)
(as I do :))

-but this is not about BW it is about adding ANY preset to a VC on creation;)
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Have you viewed George Jardine's video tutorial on BW? Might be worth a view: http://mulita.com/blog/?p=1244

It explains the flexibility and quality of various methods of BW conversion. I think you need to do a little more research before comparing LR's BW conversion to 'grayscale'. The two are not synonymous.
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OK Thanks but it does say 'greyscale' under the menu setting for 'V' (I'm using LR2.x as I'm on a PPC mac)

NB: I am talking about conversions in LR not Ps
-i.e. dropping saturation in LR to zero, (but with other changes to get the histo where you want it before going to ps for LOCAL adjustments)
OR
dropping all the HLS saturation sliders to zero in LR and using the luminance sliders to get the global look you want ( before going to ps for LOCAL adjustments)
OR
using the default LR greyscale setting (which yes I know, you can change)(+not the 'greyscale button above the basic section)

Ahh I get it now, you didn't like my saying it was superior - NB: I said IMO (i.e. purely my opinion for MY use - not trying to influence others)

Checked out the video and there's nothing there I didn't already know - thanks all the same

Anyway - I don't want an arguement about the 'best' way - Im just suggesting a shortcut that would help me and might help others: if no one agrees that's fine, it's not a big deal.

The BW preset was an example, it could be ANY preset