CORRECTION OF ERRORS AND IMPROVEMENT OF PERFORMANCE

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CORRECTION OF ERRORS AND IMPROVEMENT OF PERFORMANCE
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Pau Ramírez

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Glenbo

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This is my main issue with the SAAS model Adobe have foisted on us all, put simply there are too many critical bugs in their software now, I for one do not believe they are holding up their end of the bargain, Muse, for example, has a number of serious bugs that break websites it's a month now and no fix! This is poor, maybe we should all start looking elsewhere! AffinityPhoto offers a lot of bang for a small outlay!
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Naw ... RAW converters are a dime a dozen ... I'm sure they both offer quite adequate results. Heck, in my preliminary testing, the Photos app in the new macOS High Sierra offers quite decent results ... and it's free.

I'm talking about complete workflow from import to culling, rating, labeling, keywording and renaming to RAW processing to print/digital export for seamless delivery to clients in a volume workflow.

Neither of the options you shared (or any other option to my knowledge) offers a reasonably close alternative to the myriad of Export plugins and/or Publish Services that save me tons of hours and effort over the course of a year.

Like I said, I really want to be in a position to more fully support Adobe, but their track record since the Lr CC 2015.0 release has been much less than stellar and doesn't build confidence that the future will meet expectations.
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Glenbo

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Butch_M try this link, although I suspect you already know this site? https://www.lightroomqueen.com
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Butch_M wrote, "I hate to say it, but if there were a competing offering that was close Lightroom's workflow capabilities, I'd certainly give that option great consideration."

If there were a truly competitive offering (raw processing + workflow), Adobe would likely be more responsive to bugs and feature development.
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Butch_M

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Exactly, If Aperture were still around, Adobe would at the very least have make an effort to do more than collect funds.
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Glenbo

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Damn straight, but then we are now talking about a company, that have never given a damn about a pro! Between Apple and Adobe, it's a wonder we have any hair left!
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<<There is http://www.aftershotpro.com/en/ or https://www.picktorial.com Both superb!>>

Just curious here, not being argumentative, but if either of these apps is a good replacement for LR, why are you still using LR? When you say they're both superb, can you also say what they have going for them that LR doesn't, and what LR has going for it that they don't? 

I often look at Photoshop competition, but I haven't been convinced, yet, that I'm better off using  any of them exclusively or in combination with each other, as opposed to staying with PS,, although I'm happy to use them in conjunction with PS. Is this the same with these Lightroom competitors, or is there some other reason we should be giving them serious consideration?
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If I'm completely honest laziness, I am used to LightRoom, of the two I'd say the closest to the same workflow id Aftershot Pro I have 2, 3 is supposed to be markedly better, but I'd say Picktorial is a must watch if money was better I'd buy Picktorial out of interest and definitely upgrade to Aftershot Pro 3 - I have loved Lightroom since version 1, and that is as much reason as any for me sticking with it, my criticisms are directed at CC in general, as there are too many bugs happening and the fixes are not speedy, plus and this isn't made enough fuss of, when there was the CC services crash a while ago a British Newspaper very nearly missed it deadline for press, for its colour end week periodical! Because the Typekit fonts were unavailable, now like a lot of people here I have a long history with Adobe and have spent an enormous amount of money with them, since CC, there have been too many bugs, including a bug with the perpetual license for CS6 being ignored and reverting to demo mode! I expect more of Adobe, they are an excellent company and they make wonderful creative software, but the MS Office model for creative software doesn't work for the users in most cases, but we will never hear the negatives from the Adobe Marketing Distortion Machine!I want pro software that is well tested, and work like a pro expects, right now there are compelling reasons to look elsewhere, unfortunately, CC has been very successful, and only users leaving in droves will fix what is wrong, personally I would like an either or version, where if you buy a CC perpetual license you get what is in the box, no Typekit fonts, no extra camera profiles (strangely already an option with LightRoom) and say a modest charge for updates, but as it stands the SAAS model isn't right for all, and in the case of InDesign, there are now real compelling reasons to switch back to QuarkXpress, in many ways Affinity Photo can outshine my beloved Photoshop (I kid you not I love that program). Lastly, I loathe the idea of having LightRoom mobile constantly foisted on me every time I open LightRoom! iPads are not a great tool for editing Photos, merely a slightly cool way to show a slideshow!Aftershot Pro 2 & 3 allow you to choose an external editor easily, Picktorial will get to that the devs seem pretty clued up on what the program is supposed to do, so my advice mate, is have a play you never know you may adore them?
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> when there was the CC services crash a while ago a British Newspaper very nearly missed it deadline for press, for its colour end week periodical! Because the Typekit fonts were unavailable, >

Thanks for answering.  Now I know why you are looking at other workflows, although I'm still less certain about what you like about them or what you miss in them.  In some respects, I agree with you. Depending upon the Cloud can be a recipe for disaster. I love some of the features, but I wouldn't want a deadline to depend upon them.

And I, too, would wish that they would always keep a version in perpetual license. Let it get 3-4 versions old. Then let us buy a more recent version again. But that is a lot for them to support, and I can't speak to what is financially reasonable—only to what most of us wish would be our fallback, assuming that eventually either the cost of the Photography Plan becomes too much or the cost of new computers to keep up with it becomes too much. But all of the apps, not just Adobe, eventually drop support for old computers/old OSes, so keeping something running that can work with our raw files and PSDs won't be without any expense.

> Lastly, I loathe the idea of having LightRoom mobile constantly foisted on me every time I open LightRoom! >

I wish they would have developed LR Mobile going in the direction of Utility, rather than image editor. I like being able to curate images quickly in LR Mobile, but I don't want to perform full edits on it. Just basic enough to know if something might be worth developing, quick flagging or rejecting, and adding metadata/keywords from the comfort of wherever I happen to be. Other than having hoped LR Mobile would be useful like that, or even that LR TV would be useful enough to let me flag images for later work, I use LR for tethering. That's my main "workflow" with LR. Past shooting, I depend upon layers for almost everything I do, so LR won't really cut it, although it could take me further than I currently have it doing, mainly because I need to get organized in a way LR likes.  That dratted catalog.<G>

I'm currently trying to learn LR a bit better to see how I might incorporate more of it into my workflow, but I've owned On1 for a long time, just upgraded to the Photo Raw version, though not to get another raw editor, and also recently added Affinity. They have the advantage of being new architecture, and being able to take solutions that PS developed and enhance those features. In time if they're successful, they may be where PS is now, sitting on top of a creaky infrastructure with a lot of legacy demands that would break too many workflows if simply left behind. It's a conundrum for Adobe—how to stay competitive without leaving too many old customer workflows behind. I can only hope their success with the subscription model means they will throw a lot more money at it—in the form of hiring a lot of talent—because they recognize the problem of not aging terribly gracefully, and not owning the fountain of youth, either.

> Aftershot Pro 2 & 3 allow you to choose an external editor easily, >
> so my advice mate, is have a play you never know you may adore them?>

The last thing I need is yet another raw editor. <G> Topaz Studio now opens raw files. On1 is now Photo Raw for a reason. Affinity of course handles raw files. I'm actually very happy with Camera Raw, preferring it to the others unless I know I want their workflow without starting with a PSD.  I thought perhaps you were finding a more complete replacement, not just held back by laziness<G>, but I'm not seeing that on their sites? Piktorial does say it offers Photo Organization, but there's no clickable link to see what they mean by that. The rest is LR Develop or On1's develop module—which is a close competitor to LR by design.

As for the bugs, or performance issues. I get them in the other apps, too. I crash in the other apps, as well. Depending upon what I'm doing, I can see performance issues. It's not that Adobe can afford to be lazy about getting on to these problems. I would wish they'd fix these kind of issues without making us wait for a full update —getting tired of reading about PS taking over when it launches '-} — but I admit, I don't know what kind of issues that in itself could cause. I'm just always keeping an eye out for the most complete workflow. So far, that's still Adobe as the hub, the other apps are side trips, but I still return to Adobe for the bulk of the work.

For what I do, Affinity comes closest as a replacement. It's a perpetual license, and it has the kind of powerful features that do make it serious competition for PS.  It's just not fully there yet in any truly compelling way. I don't think I'm being lazy. PS over the years has simply acquired some outstanding features, and continues to make it pretty easy for others to add value to the program. That makes it hard for others to take over. Right now, it's still Adobe's game to lose—imo, of course.
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Personally, I think if wedded to a workflow, then stick with it and put up with the creaking performance, and friend of mine tried Lightroom at v4 and after an hour threw the box and the book on it he bought out in the garden, he prefers Bridge and an old-fashioned Folder based workflow, I like LightRoom and Love Photoshop, but there are little annoyances, but like you I'm not prepared to give up on Lightroom just yet, but I do think Aftershot Pro and Picktorial are going to provide much-needed competition! Enough to drive cash out of Adobe's coffers remains to be seen, as it is right now Adobe has us where they want us, paying out, and accepting what they offer!Unless we start using other software things will not change, I cannot fail to notice that no-one from Adobe has commented here!For me Lightroom is pretty much feature perfect right now, all it needs is speed bumps and fixes!The other apps, hmmm Illustrator is still over complex and makes me pine for Freehand!InDesign is in danger of doing too much Print and Digital do not make good bed-fellows!Muse has a major bug that has broken many websites, and users are begging for a fix!Premier and After Effects are simply beasts!Dreamweaver isn't an app that one can love easily!The other stuff I use so infrequently I cannot comment, but I do find it odd that Captivate is missing from CCI'm meandering off topic a little now, I just wish Adobe would have a Fix and improve month and make us all love them passionately again!I'm sure we all would rather just have great apps with no bugs!