Lightroom: Copy steps, not sync settings (copy "change stack"?)

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I'd love to be able to select and copy the *steps* as recorded in the history to other images (as done by auto-sync).

Syncing or pasting settings really isn't helpful when I come back to an image since I have no clue what settings were actually applied (or what was the source image).

Creating consistent images in a set is a great benefit to me with LR and I can to a certain extent perform that with auto-sync - until I come back later and want to make the same consistent changes to another image.
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Yup. AutoSync is only good when editing a set of like images from scratch, since it applies the exact same settings absolutely to all photos. I had previously been thinking about having a relative vs. absolute qualification to auto-sync (so it can also behave like quick develop / grid mode, except with all settings available). But the ability to copy / paste from the history list would be awesome too! - Good idea...

PS - Lightroom's edit history list is one of most fabulous things about Lightroom, in my opinion - but definitely still some untapped potential there.
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Yes, I fully agree with the request.

I think it would gel well with the "essential history view" and "more flexible undo" proposal I created.
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I think it's the wrong solution to the problem.

The problem is "I don't know which adjustments I made".

The solution, in my opinion, is to somehow mark UI elements (or group of UI elements, e.g. a collapsed panel) that are not in their default state.

I think I've seen this in ACDSee Pro: a blue dot besides controls.
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@Dorin, no, I don't think you've understood the problem. It's not about what adjustments have been changed (though that could be useful - but it's not hard to see).

This is about applying the same changes to multiple images and retaining the the history steps (pretty much what develop auto-sync does).

Currently, synchronising/pasting settings between photographs gets a single step which applies all the selected changes in one operation. The history step might as well be labeled "Magic happened here".

It doesn't record the source image (or the point in the edit history of the source image).

So, when re-visiting an image later there is no way to understand the individual adjustments, presets, etc. that went into the magic of that single step (unless you can identify the source image and know that it's history state matches that of the pasted settings).

Being able to paste a group of history steps and retain them as the original/source history steps is what this is about - not seeing what has changed.

Repeatability is good.
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> So, when re-visiting an image later there is no way to understand the individual adjustments, presets, etc. that went into the magic of that single step

How come? All the magic is done by moving sliders. Just look at the slider values. Adjustments in LR/ACR are not additive, so it does not matter how many times you moved a certain slider back and forts (i.e. history is not important), only the final state "is the part of the magic".
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In which case, copy/paste develop settings will do the magic.

It doesn't yield any understanding though.

It doesn't show that actually it was just a single film emulation preset (the magic is just a single spell).

Or alternatively, there was no button press magic and it was just a pleasing adjustment of sliders (maybe that combination should become a preset).

Or that it was a rarely used preset with a couple of tweaks (and that in itself opens up lots of what-if options).

It doesn't show that the image is missing the application of a standard preset (e.g. my preferred sharpening) unless you can recognise that the adjustment panel values are not as expected.

It doesn't easily explain why the styling on one image doesn't match the other (something wasn't ticked on the copy settings?).

I guess it's more about presets (and being able to reuse them), not individual slider changes. I want to use the same preset again - not adjust multiple sliders to get the same values (and the same result).

The "magic happened" history of "paste develop settings" doesn't give me any of that.
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Now I see...
Indeed, it's about presets (of which I am not a big fan).
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+ One on this one. Copying and pasting settings is useful, but not very. There's no way to know from where I copied the settings - what's my base image?

Copying the editing history would be much more useful. Doesn't seem like it would be too terribly difficult, either.