Photoshop CC 2019: Transform/Resize is constrained by default - Want ability to go back to legacy behavior

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When selecting a layer and dragging a corner handle with the shift (or alt-shift) key pressed, the resize proportion isn't constrained. This started with this most recent update.
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This change says so much about Adobe it’s not funny.
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Agree that this whole situation is ridiculous. Adobe need to add a toggle switch to revert to 'normal' behaviour urgently. Muscle memory cannot be retrained selectively. Shift to constrain is a VERY common convention
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LMAO... do you really think they even care our comments ?
By now they are numb.
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They probably laughing their azzes off knowing no change is coming after they invested all that time in a failure they will convince themselves it was the right thing to do and press on with deaf ears..
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Actually I'd like to believe but seeing there is 12 pages long theard that took 2 years users begged to bring back old crop method it is more likely Santa Claus is going to do that this year for us.

I didn't read that but it seems that crop started with CS6 was left for next CC releases:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/photoshop_6_crop_tool
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I expect this not to change. I suspect Adobe has the same mindset as apple, people doesn't know what they want more than us. 

I think the whole reasoning Adobe has for doing this, is that they want Photoshop to be more user friendly for that tiny userbase that doesn't use a keyboard (i.e tablet only) - which they expect to grow, and probably scale will work this way on the iPad version of Photoshop. 
 
I could live with this change IF it was consistent throughout the entire program. It's the poor implementation that makes it a horrible change. 

Also, another thing that doesn't make sense to me AT ALL. At Adobe Max 2018 they bragged about this feature and the multiple undos. And the argument for making multiple undo's was to unify all the Adobe programs more, making undo's the same across every program (thank god they at least made an option to turn off this, I like my ctrl-shift-z for multiple undos). But then they do the COMPLETE OPPOSITE with the the uniform scaling and make sure its NOT unified across the whole program suite...So what is it ? Unifying the programs, or UNunifying? 
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The guy who decided that had to be a drunk clown or simply contracted agreement with Apple to make Photoshop working this way. win-win solution for both, but most commited users have now to suffer and can speak openly only to each other as none of prominent persons appears to read about their frustration.

Adobe Max 2018 had to become unhealthy preoccupation of something that in practise was a fail. But that is no matter - people bought it after all. You are right about unifrom scaling that has to be same for all produtcs but some odd way it's inconsistent with scope of just one :/ Regarding undos, what about ExtendScript ToolKit? I don't like the new way of how that works but they don't plan to make new version of ESTK so we have to still use that by both ways?
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more Adobe Garbage Keep on abusing your Customers.
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Look at how many years Eastman Kodak maintained industry dominance and an arrogant, holier than thou attitude before the failed!
Sounds like Adobe doesn't it?  
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This is ridiculous. What are you doing Adobe? So now in some programs I hold shift, like I've done for 10 years, but in Photoshop it's no longer the default behavior? How does inconsistency between keyboard commands from one application to another equal an improvement. Shift to constrain should be the default. Was someone actually complaining about this? So now I have to train my hand and mind to hold shift in other applications but not Photoshop? Please give us an option to revert to legacy.
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I'm tired of the inconstancies as well. Where possible, every app in the suite should work the same way: transformations, managing links, creating/managing colours, creating/editing text, creating/managing layers, the list goes on. This was the promise of the original CS Suite (it was one of the key selling points) and while some things have improved, there are many jaw-dropping omissions. 
Either nobody at Adobe uses multiple apps on a daily basis, or people tasked with managing consistency across the apps have no real power.
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I think they're just avoiding the confrontation. <G> Should it be Cmd-D for deselect, or Cmd-Shift-A? Who gets to be top dog?

I say who cares who wins the shortcut argument— IF they'd just make sure that we had more options for creating keyboard shortcuts, AND they made sure darn virtually everything in each and every app was wired for custom kbsc. (Have you even seen how extremely limiting Illustrator is for creating kbsc? The rest don't earn any prizes, either, although AE and PP have gone a lot further towards making it easier to assign kbsc.) I'm including the holdouts like LR, Bridge, and CR—their kbsc are from another planet.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Change in scaling tool worst decision ever.

Title says it all. Is Photoshop a tool for professionals or for the average Joe who wants to crop a holiday picture? Please pick a side because these kind of decisions piss me off.

Cheers.
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same here.
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Nolan Conley

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Same here!!!
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Ben

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Yep.
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laden m

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uninstalled cc2019, went back to cc2018. waiting for updates:(
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I'm with Jesse - I'm game to learn new habits - it slows me down but isn't world shattering. I like that there's now a default proportional scale, however, using shift as the "unconstrain" key is a confusing choice. Should've made it the command or control key instead. AND us "old hands" should have an option of  choosing what key we use to constrain/unconstrain transformations. I hope Adobe will give us an option in the future that allows us to choose the unconstrain key or a check box to go back to legacy transform properties that doesn't require us to write and load scripts.
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100% agree: change is inevitable, necessary, and sometimes good. But in a product like this, when you change a core behavior that people rely upon you REALLY need to give an easy way to set the "make it work like before" preference, not force them to create a config file...
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Experienced company with hundred of million dollars revenue can't take care of something so tiny!
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They could if they cared, even a little but all they really care about is locking you in to their monthly subscription. And since the employees are so locked into the b.s. of the company line, they will rarely if ever be involved in corporate self-criticism.
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jfc, just make the text file and drop it in your preferences folder and be done with it. It works. It takes two minutes and you can stop waiting for Adobe to fix something. If they do, great. If they don't, you already have. 
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So how does this text file address all the other broken stuff in cc2019?

The only way to fix cc2019 is to ignore it even exists and dump that garbage for 2018.

Multiple undos ? big deal, it already exists in 2018.
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Please fix this Adobe. It is maddening. It should be optional. You have thousands of designers pulling their hair out because of a reversal of a standard that exists EVERYWHERE and you aren't even consistent in changing it across your applications. Please put it back and make it optional to turn on rather than require knowledge of coding and digging through preference files to figure out how to revert. That is ridiculous.
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Inconsistency, inconsistency, inconsistency

* Transform: Illustrator Indesign Photoshop, not the same.
* I wonder. What happens if you transform a pixel shape and a vector shape simultaneously. My brain has to do a lot of extra work while transforming different type of shapes.
* I've got the feeling this 'feature' has been implemented so PS is easier to use on an Ipad. But professionals don't work directly on Tablets.

I've got a complete team of frustrating designers struggeling en getting slowed down in there workflow.

Facepalm...

FIX THIS ALLREADY!
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Now we know that noone has to admit - they use us to test their products for free.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Resize text not working (Mac/Mojave).

In prior releases, you could resize text with the SHIFT key pressed to keep the aspect ratio correct.   As of Photoshop CC 2019, this feature is broken and no longer working.   I depend on this feature for aspect correctedness. 

Can someone explain why this feature was removed or if this was an oversight?
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Just saw this email ---- November 2018 (version 20.0.1) release
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/fixed-issues.html

They said they fixed some bugs... whos willing to try ?
Not Me. I am sticking with 2018 until I hear better news.
Happy camper with v19.1.0

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Still nothing done about transformation behaviour, or at least giving simple option to en/disable it.
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TangCanada Me too!

I'm not using v20 until it's completely fixed and until I see happy, satisfied comments about the new version.

I'm happy using v19. I can't trust the new version.
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I had the same about CC 2018, that I only kept installed but still used CS6 EXTENDED. I was saying like you I won't start to use it until they fix bugs I met and reported. What happened? They didn't sort them out at all, though I have been told they do it in next update, then future one and so on :/

Now they released CC 2019 where those bugs are still part of, while we experience many of another ones! Then we have first update they fix current bugs but still forgeting in first instance to do something with earlier ones :/

So neither I can use CC 2018 nor CC 2019, and even if bugs I'm saying they cared of finally for CC 2019, I could not use it again since how valuable would it be without bugs I waited to be fixed if new ones got introduced while new 'so-called features' disrupt my usual work.

We are now in most popular topic refered to current release, but after a month that they do is ignoring that fact by fixing less expected bugs to be sorted out!
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I think it's time we start a letter writing (old school will be more effective) to the the Adobe Board of Directors: https://www.adobe.com/about-adobe/leaders/board-directors.html. I would ask that current top three levels of Adobe "leadership" be fired. We need to become activists and let the company know our displeasure as customers. I'm suspecting that Adobe may be monitoring this conversation and that they're just waiting for the smoke to blow over so they can continue on as they always have. If we want change we must be relentless in communicating our needs and desires. We are paying customers: Adobe exists because of us. Yes, I know this is much easier said than done, but if not now, when?

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We are like ants that humans beyond our world can't understand their needs. They try to "help" by bulding tunels, bridges and everything our community could grow up but since they can not live in our bodies - everything they do is more about what they guess that is better for us. Other bad side of it is we are during neverending experiment closed by its hermetic frames with no chance to say understable word. When a group by chance will get out they made enhacements to detain us and prevent from another escaping attempt. When they are getting bored or think we can't feel good with stagnancy we have to adapt to new challenges by stepping backward and start over that we were satisfied with. In worst case they make fun observation how we behave when they ruin our well built constructions.
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This is a huge mistake. Thoughtless, careless, and borderline offensive. We rely on a stable system, and you can't just go reversing behaviors for no damn reason. You might as well start switching up the tool hotkeys. Make (e) select the brush and (b) select the eraser. Why not make cmd+w open a new window? You're not solving a problem, you're just making things confusing and breaking the flow that every advanced user has built over years of working. Please change things back and stop trying to "fix" things that aren't broken.
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Adobe,
Please read what you're users are saying about your Transform Tool changes:
https://forums.adobe.com/message/10682827

These changes have made the user experience much worse. There have been several updates to Photoshop, but no address of how to make the changes optional in Preferences. How long will it take you to respond to the issues you've caused many of your users?

We appreciate the new features, but PLEASE do not mess with your core functionality. People use this software for their living!
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One polite observation to start and finish this discussion. I hope someone prominent will read it ;)
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One can only wish!
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The most annoying thing is that it isn't consistent. On shape layers it does still work the old way. At least make everything the same. Now transforming a shape needs shift, transforming an image doesn't. Different key commands, for essentially the same action? That's just really confusing.
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As I was just watching a photographer's video who was raving about this change I was struck with this additional observation: It's call the Free Transform tool NOT the scale tool. So the original behavior made more sense because it was Free Transforming. If it was called the Scale Transform or simply the scale tool, then, well, I might expect it to act proportionally. So in essence the engineers and managers at Adobe in their infinite poor wisdom on this decision, have screwed up the very definition of what the tool is all about. Scaling proportionally has it's place but in my world non-proportional scaling is more my need as I'm doing photo illustration and compositing in an architectural environment. And as anyone knows walls are not built plumb and square and very, very rarely do we have a straight on view that would allow proportional scaling. And once again this should be a user-settable preference on how the tool works and not through some text file preferences setting "hack".
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@ Scott Souchock
Pls dont give them any bright ideas they may just change the name to "Scale Transform" and keep this backward idiocy they call a "New and Enhanced Feature"

We want this nonsensical change gone forever never to come back period.

The people who make a living with this software wont be using the mobile version so it doesnt make sense to burden us with this childish nonsense.
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"Pls dont give them any bright ideas they may just change the name to 'Scale Transform' and keep this backward idiocy they call a 'New and Enhanced Feature'"

Well, if they do that, we should immediately request they add a Free Transform feature like they had in previous versions.
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Tried photoshop 2019 - scaling behaviour broken - deleted & rolled back to 2018. It wasn't broken, Adobe - why did you break it? People who know this tool to the point of not having to think about it now have to think about it, thus impinging on their productivity - did you consider that?
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It's a stupid unfair move. Adobe updated 20.0.1 and in that update they didn't even bother to look at the transform tool.

I'm beginning to think that Adobe is going to ignore the complaints in this forum about the scaling behaviour.

I'm hoping that more of our friends add their woes about the transform tool here and vote by clicking 'ME TOO' on top of this page. Hopefully Adobe will get the message that we want to go back to the existing behaviour of the transform tool that was in Photoshop V19.

Spread the word so that Adobe gets the message.

I refuse to use the buggy Photoshop V20. I wasted so much valuable time and expense trialling the new version and it's not worth it to me to keep using V20
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Maybe we should all go on every forum we can find and every youtube channel that teaches photoshop and lightroom and spread the word of the horrible program it has become. More and more I am using ACDSee as an alternative to both photoshop and lightroom. I still have CS6 running like a boss here and CS5 32 bit for some plugins I need.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Legacy Transform Option - Photoshop CC2019.

Hey Adobe

How about a checkbox in preferences that lets you use the legacy transform feature we've been so used to for the last 20 years? Great for new users and all that, but for people that have used the software for a long time, now we press Shift and it un-constrains proportions.

So there's a checkbox for using Legacy Undo under Keyboard shortcuts (also not a huge fan of those new changes either), why not do the same for Legacy Transform in preferences? The fact that you have to resort to notepad to sort this out is a bit stupid in my opinion.

Andrew
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Honestly I can't imagine how the new transform is great for new users either. I tried once more to get used to it, spending a full day with the new transform. But because smart layers and shapes are not scaling uniform - I'm getting confused of the mixed behavior. I honestly still don't know which layers scale uniform or not, groups, multiple selections, smart layers, text layers, regular layers....It's a complete mess and I can't imagine anyone prefer it this way, unless one is completely rookie in the program. 
I find it seriously provoking that Adobe can make such a stupid change and just keep ignore paying customers in threads like this that doesn't have a single good thing to say about the change. I have added the userpref.txt change, but it's still annoying nonetheless, because I do not understand the logic at all for doing this. And it completely contradicts  their very own argument for adding multiple undos, which were to unify the experience across Adobe programs. 

Also now when doing free transform, the rotation boundingbox around corners are moved a lot closer, and that also breaks the user experience for no good reason. Before you could rotate the transform box wherever you have the cursor outside the box, now you need to be up close to the corners. My list of things getting worse by each update is expanding every year. 
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Add me to the "please fix" camp.

I have never felt that the Shift/Contrain was an issue and don't understand why Adobe felt that needed to change.

Although I still would have been annoyed at having to retrain muscle memory, I would be fine with shift/constrain being reversed if it were CONSISTENT, but it's not. Now I have to think about what type of element I am trying to transform before I hit that shift key. I don't want to think, I just want to do. I use the transform function regularly and now I'm constantly hitting the undo command because I forget to check what type of element I'm transforming before I hit the shift key or not.

Which is easier to remember?
 
Shift = constrain 

or

Shift = uncontrain on raster layers, text layers,  and any group of elements that contain at least one raster layer or alpha mask
Shift = constrain on shape layers, groups of shape layers only, and in other Adobe products
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I just want it back the way it was. This is wasting my time in editing and I have to use this on every photo and graphic I deal with. This was a completely unnecessary change.
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And Marla only described the consequences for scaling constrain behaviors. It all gets even worse if you try to perspectively transform or distort while constraining the movement of the anchors to straight lines. Everything is totally messed up, depending on the layer type. The most annoying change since the creation of Photoshop!
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The time I've spent trying to decipher all these months of "getting nowhere" comments, to cut through the anger and ridiculous, unproductive BS, simply to try to find an answer of how to simply get back to how we are used to work with "shift or no shift" (trained by adobe products no less) is ludicrous. I can be "retrained" but seriously... at the very least, there should be a quick work around, and there should be an EASY and direct way to find an answer to something that have so many people struggling. I personally do not want to hold shift down to to purposely transform/distort imagery.  We've simply been trained otherwise, and it's not consistent with other adobe products.
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I'm not Howard I'm the lead digital artist at his business. I should start by saying that. I've just got to log into our adobe account to post this.

Copy/pasting with a little bit of censorship from my personal facebook  account that an adobe rep asked me to post here.

OMFG I hate Adobe's change to the transform functionality in Photoshop. I've been trying to get use to it all week and it's absolute garbage and the PSUserConfig.txt trick isn't undoing it. I had to revert to old versions on of couple of work's computers because some freelancers we have in just wern't having it. I really spent the week trying to adapt and adjust to the change but but I've gone from being accepting of the logic of the change to bitter and angry.

It's such a necessary thing that's been standardized across the industry, Adobe changing this is equivalent car company being like, 'Hey, I know you're used to manual gear placement on our cars and every competitor's car being 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, but, what about we change to 1, 3, 2, 5, 4. Great right!'

And ya, I'm being harsh and rude but you've ruined a major part of tool that I have to use for my job every day.



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Edited: I was being angry/rude at this at 11 Sunday night working late trough the weekend. Sorry about that, I changed my Facebook post for you guys too. I apologize, but please fix this.
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My Daughter, who is the Art Director for a mid-sized printing company outside of Chicago,150+ employees, told me that tech service had updated her PC, not her MAC, to the latest version of Photoshop. They are not supposed to do that without her permission.
She said, "Nothing works like it should anymore and I am having it switched back to 2018".
Like so many professional of all expertise levels, she is now taking a hard look at Affinity Desktop.
So am I and the more I look, the more I like! 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Did holding the shift key bother anyone?.

I run a group for in-house designers of LinkedIn and Facebook with over 25000 members. I recently asked the question, Did holding the shift key bother anyone? I got the answer I expected, holding the shift key to constrain the aspect ratio when sizing an image bothered no one! 
Not holding the shift key however, that bothered many people, for various reasons. Most just said it was really slowing them down. I agree with them, it makes you lose time, and time is money. Others felt like it was a step toward making Adobe product work more like Microsoft products, and that sent a shudder through the group. The thing that bothers me more than that it doesn't feel thought out, for a couple reasons, one, the way it flashes and jerks to tell you not to hold the shift key, that feels broken. The other reason is you just did it to Photoshop and nothing else. Granted it isn't a huge thing, but it's one more thing I have to remember that works differently between Illustrator and Photoshop and InDesign. Every update I hope that the tools get more aligned so my job is easier, but this time it feels like the interfaces are moving farther apart for the first time. I can honestly say I have not loved everything ever done on Adobe update, but I got used to it after time, this the first update that's made me want to go back to the last version.
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Very well said. 
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Using one finger to hold shift to constrain has not once crossed my mind as an issue in 20 years. No finger strain, no pulled muscles, not a thought. I had never heard this ever brought up by anyone I've ever worked with. Using fingers to control a keyboard is something that we all do. Why would this particular command be an issue? Frankly reaching the thumb over to use Ctrl on a PC vs CMD on a Mac didn't even bother me much.

Some people like this feature. It should have been provided as an option for them, rather than to abruptly change this classic behavior that most were accustomed to.
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Everyone who'd like to see this behavior changed back without having to write a custom script to do it (steps are described earlier in this thread) or to revert to an older version of PS, remember to click the "Me too" button at the top of this thread.

If you've already done so, thanks!
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I can't get used to this!!!
- It's different for raster and vector layers!
- The constrain button doesn't work as it should!
- It's different in other Adobe products!
- It's called FREE TRANSFORM ffs, not proportional transform!
It was fine the way it was. Please revert!! This is really slowing down my workflow! I use Photoshop every day and I use both vector and raster layers so I can't get used to this! It's just horrible! REVERT!!! 
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haha. This image is going to be the story of our lives!
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Kenton Smith

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You can, but you shouldn't have to.
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I do a post to my group every Friday called the Friday Funny. Here's this week.

Want to know why all the complaining in the world isn't going to make Adobe care what we don't like about Photoshop...
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While this is not "For REAL" I love it!
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I would just like to know who proposed this, who and why it was approved, and who cheered on it.
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Adobe is going the way of Apple, and while it seems inconceivable we’d use anything other than Photoshop, it was inconceivable a few years ago that I would eradicate Apple software from my life, and regularly test Windows (v10 is much improved). We shouldn’t kid ourselves, Adobe has its eyes on other markets and we’ve all noticed it with the ‘features’ added in recent years. It may take years but I’m definitely keeping my options open.
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I had no idea Kelby was still a thing. I thought he'd flamed out after his excessive claims for Lightroom vs Photoshop were debunked — if no one remembers, photographers who didn't make the move were all said to be willing to destroy their original data, so everyone should want to dump Photoshop and use Lightroom, which preserved their original data.<sigh>

But yes, I agree with Max. If the Kelby organization has the ear of Adobe, not as one more, but as a heavily weighted group compared to the rest of us, it does explain the trend towards pushing features on us that they think will be less confusing to beginners. I do so hope that's not true. There are even a lot of amateurs, photographers and artists, who need the real power of Photoshop, and as I keep saying, are willing and able, at all ages, to learn what they need to learn so they can do what they want to do.
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@Cristen: LOL...Yeah, sadly they are.

They do, very very deeply too. What I don't understand are two things:
A) why AIGA isn't 100% involved with Adobe to where Adobe is consulting them first when making major changes like this one.

B) why is Adobe hell bent on supporting amateurs instead of professionals who use their products for 12+ hours a day. 


I can actually answer "B" by simply saying "newer generations" woke up on YouTube and only a few people from these generations still value a 4 year solid education in graphic design/photography (because the cost of those degrees versus wages is lopsided), and so they're dumbing stuff down for YouTubers and weekend users at the request of KelbyOne wannabe's, which is very disappointing, annoying and sad for us pro's. I wish Bert Monroy could save Photoshop for us, but I don't know that he can or is willing to.
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Warren Heaton

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Ben, don't you find that Windows basically crushes one's creative soul?  Okay, I'm over stating it a bit.  Windows has gotten to be very Mac like over the years with some improvements; however, the Windows Color Picker burns a hole in my mind's eye anytime it pops up.
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@Warren Yep! But Windows has improved to the point where it's possible to switch. Recent Apple/Adobe decisions create doubts, even if we end up staying.

Sometimes, the alternative is simply a company who cares more - whatever we think of the change, Adobe's assessment/implementation/communication has been sub-par.
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Andi@redfishblack.com

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I had two instances where these forums here actually solved a problem that was very significant.

First ---
In 2014, my Wacom had a problem toggle with Shortcut X between foreground and background. ( o I thought(  At that time I retouched skin with the grey layer technique as I learned from Kathrin Eismann's photoshop book. This technique was not working anymore.
Toggling had a lag or did not switch at all.
After speaking to Wacom extensively, they blamed it on photoshop. Turns out it was a photoshop bug.
Photoshop did not reply directly.
I published it on macnn ( a forum that doesn't exist anymore) and wrote to Kathryn, telling her that the technique she describes is useless.
Upon that "pressure", Photoshop software engineers  specifically wrote a plugin that got rid of the toggle problem and later implemented it in an update.

Second ---
One or two years later, designers changed the Interface and it was quite a nightmare!
All the colors were gone and all was much harder to see. After lots of retouchers complained a couple of us wrote and even drew up examples what we thought will work better, like colors for layers and colors for paths even ( that came later)

Throughout the process the communication was not the greatest. 
But in the end they changed it.
I am sure the people who are directly involved read these comments and will take them to heart.
I am not sure how much they have to say in that matter.
It might be a marketing thing or a political issue in which direction photoshop will head, I agree.

What might work for the the future is to report this to people like Phlearn, photoshop magazines, retouching forums etc.

MacNN at that time picked up the story and that definitely helped.

I think what doesn't help is being rude or advising to use pirated software.

Then like me I will just skip reading the comment

I am of course very upset about the unworkable update and hope this will get resolved soon.

In the meantime I only use 2018.

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You'll find all over YouTube a significant amount of PS instructors who will not use CC 2019. Their comments - "it's buggy".  A couple of these instructors are well known and went to Adobe MAX 2018.
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