Photoshop CC 2019: Transform/Resize is constrained by default - Want ability to go back to legacy behavior

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When selecting a layer and dragging a corner handle with the shift (or alt-shift) key pressed, the resize proportion isn't constrained. This started with this most recent update.
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@TangCanada  Heres what I am not getting... is it that important to use v20 that you need to put up with all the aggravation?>>

That's a fair question, and I'll try to answer as best I can. A very long time ago, Photoshop came up with a new tool that I tried, didn't like, and was willing to criticize to any who would listen. But I was asked if I'd give it another try. So I did. I worked on that tool until I figured out how to adjust my use of it, when it worked and when I shouldn't waste my time using it, and when it worked, it worked really well.

You might  ask what this has to do with the changes to the Transform tool. No, I don't think I'm going to learn to be "happy" about it. I'm still going to ask they give us a choice as to what method we use for transforming, and that they either make "click to commit" a global preference (including for type), or redesign it so it does require a click on an interface item, and not the document.

However, what I learned from that was that if I worked with something long enough to make it sink into my consciousness and a bit below, I could adapt. And to an extent, that's what I've been doing. I do a lot of compositing, which means I do a LOT of transforming. When I start a lengthy session, I now adjust pretty quickly to the kbsc switch. Less so with click to commit, but after I've screwed up on it a few times, I start to find the "zone" again. Like I said, I'm a trained monkey, but it keeps me going.  '-}

It's not when I'm doing a lengthy compositing session that this is a fatal change for me. It's when I leave PS to work in other apps, and am moving back and forth between apps that all handle this different where I find I'm constantly getting it wrong—at least until/unless I'm there long enough I can readjust again.

That's still a pita. So why not just leave 2019 for 2018? Because I'm  curious about the new compositing engine. Will I see any measurable difference in the positive if I use it? Because it appeared to be affecting color, I had to go back to the Legacy setting, but they did release a dot update to try to fix that.  Because if I  (and enough others)  make myself use the Frame tool wherever possible, does that mean they'll upgrade it to be better? I do use CAF—most people I know do say there's a definite improvement, and I've noticed one myself. Would using it more often help me to be better aware of just how to improve my success rate with it? I use MirrorMe in Illustrator. I'd like to bring myself to learn better the ins and outs of Symmetry in PS. And  I'm working more at length in Illustrator right now, so I haven't had time to fully test these other features in my own workflow.

The transform kbsc switch and the click to commit trip me up often, and they handled it with all the aplomb of the Adobe folk who handled the naming of Lightroom CC to, er, name a different  app "Lightroom CC." But it's not fatal in my workflow, if only because when I spend enough time in either AI or PS, I adjust. If my workflow had me constantly back and forth so I never had enough time to adjust my physical actions to the environment I'm in, that wouldn't be true and I probably would go back to 2018, but I tend to spend the minimum of an hour to several hours in just one app. So it's more like using a program in Adobe and a program from another company that does it all differently. IOW, it's a lot like trying to use LR with shortcuts.  <BG>

I really do understand how it's a bridge too far for a lot of people's workflows. And if/when it is that for mine, well, I always keep the last version installed, so I can always give up trying to get along with 2019 and just hope 2020 is better. I'm still not close to ready to jump ship on Adobe. I have 3 of Photoshop's competitor apps, and I'm not leaving Photoshop anytime soon.
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Call Adobe, make them walk you through (or screen-share and make them do it) reverting to CC2018, AND resetting prefs so documents created or edited in 2019 will open in 2018 by default.

They encouraged me to update to 2019 when I had a prefs issue, and after blowing a deadline and losing a client dealing with the 2019 train-wreck, I made them fix the preferences, delete 2019 and reset. Took over an hour, but that's better than working with 2019.
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Here is more information for anyone who has similar issues with PS. Nothing has been resolved for me, I still cannot work efficiently. I have ‘publicly’, here in this forum that I can wait until after the holidays and that includes tomorrow. While using PS today it crashed and I rebooted and loaded PS again. An Adobe pop-up window showed up prompting me for information about the crash. Great, I can share this with someone else and I know for a fact that those pop-up windows (surveys) that show up from time to time are read by someone. I started filling it out and just as I was getting ready to send it, the window disappeared. I don’t know where that window went, I don’t know if those comments will be read. I really hope that Adobe can fix our issues and bugs; maybe include some of the ideas that have been suggested. Good Luck!


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@Nolan: I agree, but the "not answering" to consumers is spread to every corporation out there because our "politicians" are all corporation owners, so every law is made to suit them and not the consumer as it should be. Don't you see that even the "popular vote" doesn't matter here in America!?
I am pretty stuck using Adobe for now, and I am not happy with the fact that weekend users have a louder voice than professionals when it comes to making critical changes to this program I've been using for the last 20 years, but I don't see how this will change without people stop paying for the subscription. Sadly most just can't do that as of yet, so Adobe continues to take advantage of us and our wallets until that happens.  
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Adobe is a software company... a large software company. Any other software company I have ever seen has a place to report bugs ( no matter what form is used to report) and people who both field the reports and software writers that fix the bugs. Adobe directed me to this forum to report bugs. This forum is valuable for many reasons, but is not a way to report software bugs. The fact that there is no place to report bugs and that Adobe remains silent about both acknowledging that bugs need fixed as well as how upset users are over changes made to the software is is the frustrating part. I won’t use the new version for any reason until the bugs are fixed AND legacy behavior is restored... and once again, if the changes to the tools were made to make Photoshop work on an iPad, the program on iPad is not “real Photoshop “ as advertised. Users who have been using the same tools for decades should NOT be expected to reverse tool behavior in order to work on an iPad.
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https://indesign.uservoice.com/forums/601180-adobe-indesign-bugs

Take a look at this forum. Do you like this better for reporting bugs than reporting them here?

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Lonny Cloud

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Yes Cristen Gillespie, I would prefer something like that iver this chat forum. A chat forum is an unacceptable place to be directed to report actual software bugs.
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In that case, you might write it up as a feature request. Ask them to move support for the Photography Plan software over to their main support for bug reporting.  Explain why you think it's better so they can understand what you don't like about this forum for reporting bugs.
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Also, it makes no sense to constrain proportions when I'm dragging by one of the side/edge handles (not the corners). If I'm dragging on only one axis, my default behavior should be to only scale along that axis!
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Cheila Ferreira

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YES! This is so unintuitive!! 
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Tim Wright

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I know... it's nuts!
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Tim Wright

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And shouldn't the unlink icon do something? Right now it seems like it does nothing....?
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Rosa

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It's a bug. I've reported it.
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Nick Caville

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Hopefully you're all still annoyed at this, but there's a working temporary fix here - https://www.reddit.com/r/Design/comments/9sfqg2/frustrated_with_the_new_photoshop_cc_2019/
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled "Free transform" Stop changing things that are not broken!.

For the past TEN YEARS "free transform" has worked by clicking and dragging an edge to pull it out to where you wanted it to go. If you wanted all the edges to move at the same time AKA SCALE the image, you held shift while dragging an edge. SUDDENLY, someone got it into their head to SWITCH these actions so it scales automatically and you have to hold shift to drag just one edge. Why, why, why, why, why, why?!? 

PLEASE make an option in the preferences to change it back. Ten years of working fine and you had to go and change the little things that work and completely ruin people's work flow for no obvious reason!
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Totally agree!
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Alexandra Giamanco

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For the past TEN YEARS "free transform" has worked by clicking and dragging an edge to pull it out to where you wanted it to go. If you wanted all the edges to move at the same time AKA SCALE the image, you held shift while dragging an edge. SUDDENLY, someone got it into their head to SWITCH these actions so it scales automatically and you have to hold shift to drag just one edge. Why, why, why, why, why, why?!?  
Because those who get to decide what changes in PS are not folks with deadlines and workflows.

I really hope they put it back the way it was, and give those who want to constrain the free transform a check box to do so.
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Agreed !
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Dennis Nisbet

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled photoshop-Using Shift key to distort.

Jeffery Tranberry
There have been so many questions posted about the use of the shift key if you want to Distort.
If nothing else, why hasn't there been an explanation?
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I don't think they care
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop Transform Tool v20.0.1 not working – please revet back to legacy versio....

The "new" transform tool is counter-productive. Please revert back to legacy version. This not an improvement to PS. Thank you.
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I have posted to this thread a number of times. I can't believe we have not heard from Adobe.
This is what I have learned from the post
1. Very few like the change2. Very few think it should go back to the way it was, but would like the option to choose3. No one knows why they did it or why they did it so half-assed.
This is what I have I done since this update
1. Decided Adobe doesn't care2. Paid for the full Affinity Suite3. Downgraded from an Adobe update for the first time
That's it for me. This seems to to be stalled, I had hoped to hear from Adobe here, but I guess not. I'll be unfollowing this thread, my inbox can't take it, but I am sure we will talk about more in my Linked in and Facebook groups.
Good Luck Everyone.


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Agreed. Adobe does not seem to care. The least they could do is make an announcement regarding the problem and whether or not they intend to do anything about it. I will continue to use the 2018 version for now but am actively looking for a replacement.
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Peter Figen

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By not making any announcements are they not, in fact, making a huge one? 
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I feel I should add my name to the list. I've been using photoshop 8 hours a day for 25 years. Over that time I have paid a fortune to use it. But never felt they've listened to their professional customers. I'll be downloading Affinity and if it does what they say it does, waving goodbye to photoshop.
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Official Response
Thanks. The team is looking at some changes based on everyone’s feedback that should make folks happy. Stay tuned.

In the meantime, the workaround is: 1.     Use Notepad (Windows) or a text editor on Mac OS to create a plain text file (.txt).

2. Type the text below in the text file:

TransformProportionalScale 0 
3.     Save the file as "PSUserConfig.txt" to your Photoshop settings folder:

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    [Installation Drive]:\Users\[User Name]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings\
  • macOS: 
    //Users/[User Name]/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings/
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Thanks so much Jeffrey - can't wait! 
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It's still no excuse for radio silence for the last couple of months. And really, is it THAT hard for them to make this work for all of us or are they going to do it some some weird roundabout way that causes even more problems. How 'bout it beta team? Or was the lack of a beta team part of the problem too.
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Phew, thanks Jeffrey, relieved to hear there's somebody listening after all.
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Olaf Giermann

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Fingers crossed!
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Mark Payne

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That is great news!

I did not want to revert, because not updating software has it's own disadvantages.
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Official Response
Sorry. The improvements I mentioned in the official answer did not make it into the 20.0.2 update. I’m hoping they make it into the next update. I’ll update the thread when the change is available.
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Thanks.
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Thanks! Hopefully, the next version is then usable. That would be the longest time I stick to an old (2018) version:(
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I personally am somewhat afraid to upgrade now.  Seeing the caviler attitude of Adobe toward it's customers really bothers me.  I simply don't understand why or who's idea it was to change a core function that improved nothing and impacted many professionals workflow.  Were the little kids at Adobe bored and said "Gee... let's try this!"  This attitude does NOT instill confidence in the customer's (read PROFESSIONALS) minds.  Someone (or group) at Adobe needs a serious butt kicking.
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I absolutely agree Nolan Conley...I will not even install the update to the 2018 version I am using for fear of Adobe screwing that up as well.
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Nolan Conley

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Hi Lonny... for the same reason, I'm not updating 2018 either.  The little red dot on my CC app can stay on.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Transform Constraint ... New update ... NO FIX ??????.

Seriously ... new update .. constraint not put back the way it was ?????? Seriously ... Adobe .... JUST FIX IT !
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Even worse: installing 2.0.2 removed the Ps User Script which I had installed to block the dreadful change to Constraints in Ps CC 2019. (I was able to replace  the Script from a backed-up copy.)

2.0.2 also overwrote my extensive saved KBSCs, my Workspaces and my Tools presets. Fortunately, I had back-ups of thess as well but this over-writing of Users' Presets simply should NOT .
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This is exactly why I think the "workaround" that Adobe provided is a non-starter.  Update blitzes "fix"
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Add a Checkbox in Preferences or the UI 2 allow users to decide whether the SHIFT....

In regards to this situation:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/constrained-resize-ps-cc-20?topic-reply-list[...

We pay a lot of money every year to use this software. We shouldn't have to go writing & moving config files around our system folders.

At the least, this should be a checkbox option somewhere in preferences or in the UI.
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I just got rid of this annoying thing, using some code... But there something way much annoying. When I convert picture to CMYK, here is what I got : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTILAITOEC4
That's insane. And I can reproduce this bug anytime... I just have to convert a RVB file to CMYK. Is there a thread about that? Thx. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Default Proportional Transform is the WORST.

Default Proportional Transform is the WORST. There MUST be an option to return to the original default free transform!!! Please update and make this happen!
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How much $ actual physical dollar production time has been lost by all these users by this monumentous car crash of an update / change - this affects me every hour of every working day ... working/switching between photoshop and illustrator - the two same tools now working in two completely separate ways is a nightmare - and I go back to my original comment on this topic - from before christmas ...

Literally the stupidest thing Adobe has ever done ...  !!!
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I was calling Terry White out on marketing double-talk over 20 years ago.  
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Lonny Cloud

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I agree 100%. Adobe has lost my trust.
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So we have to thank two photographers for fundamental workflow changes to the "staple DTP and graphic design" software that almost every print and screen designer uses for creation and manipulation of their graphics ... 

and in adobes own words - 

Photoshop - If you can think it, you can make it with Photoshop CC, the world’s best imaging and graphic design software. Create and enhance photographs, illustrations, and 3D artwork. Design websites and mobile apps. Edit videos, simulate real-life paintings, and more. It’s everything you need to make any idea real.

Lightroom - The cloud-based service for people who love photography, Lightroom CC gives you everything you need to edit, organize, store, and share your photos across desktop, mobile, and web.

the phrase "Stay in your lane" springs to mind ... 

An absolute joke ... 
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@Paul: yep, but not just those two "photographers"...their subscribers too, which are not professionals in any field that uses PS.

I am a professional photographer too, but I barely ever use Lightroom. I started with Photoshop and every time I am in Lightroom I am looking for tools that are only in Photoshop, so I have almost zero use for it in what I do. But for their amateur subscribers Lightroom is more than enough and has plenty of ways to resize/crop stuff. 

I also design graphics and I actually started with designing graphics in PS back in 1998, I started with photography some 7 years later, so I spend my whole day in Photoshop doing all sorts of things, so to have amateurs dictate major changes like this was super shitty and disrespectful towards professionals in general. 

Kelby promotes crossing the line non stop! He screams "shoot like a pro" to anyone who'd listen with disregard of any work ethic boundaries. It's a shame, but he has no respect for professionals in both graphic design or photography.
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i'm a 1990 user when photoshop came on a floppy disc ... 

so i've seen it all ... 
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paul kettlewell

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That moment when the red dot appears in your status bar ... and you get cold sweats about what else might have been screwed up ... 


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I’m not updating until the Free Transform is fixed. Put back the way it was and give the lazy newbies a check box up on top somewhere.
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Nolan Conley

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You're exactly right Paul!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Scaling.

Scaling in photoshop now makes no logical sense, and what's frustrating is historical it worked. The Photographs I've imported don't keep their proportion, and objects like a block of colour I want to change the dimensions are fixed, why? 

 

Why was this changed?
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Adding my voice to the chorus: the change to proportional constraining in PS continues to be a big stumbling block in my workflow. Perhaps it wouldn't be so bad if every Adobe product followed suit, but they don't.

Nor is the change applied universally within PS itself: vectors still require a SHIFT to constrain proportions.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to redo, adjust, and double-check my work since this pointless change.

For example, yesterday I needed to slightly scale a corporate logo. Due to decades of muscle memory disrupted by this needless update, I uploaded the logo with incorrect proportions. Fortunately I caught the error before my client did!
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I can’t add much more to this feedback that hasn’t been raised already, except that I totally agree that it was an unnecessary and contradictory ‘new feature !’


I teach Photoshop for a living and since the latest update I don’t find it’s made new users ( for which the 2019 features I’m sure were introduced) any wiser about a standard convention when scaling/drawing anything proportionally in PS.


I can see a 2020 new feature in the making !
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i see 20.0.3 update in my CC apps. did someone try it? couldn’t find any information about this update?
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Ben

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Agreed, just untick the constrain tickbox by default and tell people. What a bloody awful balls-up!
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We pay $500+ a year to use Adobe products and the competition for them keeps getting tougher — Sketch, Procreate, Affinity Designer, et al.

You would think they would care about how to make their products better. Thing is I WANT to continue to use them. But stuff like this is just rude and insensitive to users and will eventually hurt their bottom line if they continue to alienate users.
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What's really frustrating for me is that these days, Game Developers are much more responsive about issues with any new release and will generally post a patch within a few days. Game Developers! Those bugs aren't affecting people's jobs and yet they patch 100x faster.
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Agreed agitpromo...One would think that after all the complaints, and if Adobe really cared about their users, they would have already put it back the way it was and then work on making changes that the user could elect to use or not.
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Keeping silent about this Issue is so wrong on many levels.

I don't think Adobe really care or worry about the handful of users who are complaining about this.
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I am with all of you on this. Dont stop here though. Take to Twitter with your comments as well. The debate on there is fierce. Hopefully Adobe will hear us and at least make it an option in Preferences at the least.

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=photoshop%20shift%20key&src=typd&...
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Done that! First thing I did agitpromo . I also suggested people reach out via other social media platforms using hashtags. Adobe needs to listen to their customers.
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What about AIGA, Ad Club and other legitimate associations, can they be informed of this and summoned to help?
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