Photoshop CC 2019: Transform/Resize is constrained by default - Want ability to go back to legacy behavior

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When selecting a layer and dragging a corner handle with the shift (or alt-shift) key pressed, the resize proportion isn't constrained. This started with this most recent update.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Legacy Transform Option - Photoshop CC2019.

Hey Adobe

How about a checkbox in preferences that lets you use the legacy transform feature we've been so used to for the last 20 years? Great for new users and all that, but for people that have used the software for a long time, now we press Shift and it un-constrains proportions.

So there's a checkbox for using Legacy Undo under Keyboard shortcuts (also not a huge fan of those new changes either), why not do the same for Legacy Transform in preferences? The fact that you have to resort to notepad to sort this out is a bit stupid in my opinion.

Andrew
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Honestly I can't imagine how the new transform is great for new users either. I tried once more to get used to it, spending a full day with the new transform. But because smart layers and shapes are not scaling uniform - I'm getting confused of the mixed behavior. I honestly still don't know which layers scale uniform or not, groups, multiple selections, smart layers, text layers, regular layers....It's a complete mess and I can't imagine anyone prefer it this way, unless one is completely rookie in the program. 
I find it seriously provoking that Adobe can make such a stupid change and just keep ignore paying customers in threads like this that doesn't have a single good thing to say about the change. I have added the userpref.txt change, but it's still annoying nonetheless, because I do not understand the logic at all for doing this. And it completely contradicts  their very own argument for adding multiple undos, which were to unify the experience across Adobe programs. 

Also now when doing free transform, the rotation boundingbox around corners are moved a lot closer, and that also breaks the user experience for no good reason. Before you could rotate the transform box wherever you have the cursor outside the box, now you need to be up close to the corners. My list of things getting worse by each update is expanding every year. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop transform problems in version 20.

The transform reference point in version 20 is not working like it did in previous versions. In past versions. In past versions when the reference point was moved to a new position by sliding the reference point to a new location with the mouse or by option-clicking to reposition the reference point, the transformation scaled around the point. Now, this is only available by holding the option key modifier. As an advanced user, I would prefer to go back to the older way or allow me to change the behavior of transform in Photoshop preferences.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled PS 2019: Resizing function keys have been inversed.

When using image resizing or classic crop mode after drawing the crop area, resizing it will resize it locked to the initial drawn ratio. To get the correct resizing functionality you have to hold shift down. Holding shift should be what locks the ratio like it previous versions. This needs to be fixed or at least an option in the settings.

Users should not update until this basic functionality is fixed.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled ATTENTION ADOBE. You have broken the system!.

In Photoshop CC no longer uses SHIFT to constrain (a long held convention across all programs) but now uses SHIFT as unconstrained. 

This is confusing and totally slows down my workflow.
OK so constrain is now default but this should be a preference you can switch on and off.

I need unconstrained as standard for my work.
PLEASE by all means add features but don't change basic conventions!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled new rules make feel like an idiot.

I feel like an idiot! Why doesn't Adobe inform? Why do they make such unnecessary changes?
After I tried and sweared for half an hour, I found:
New in Photoshop CC version October 2018 (Version 20.0)
When converting most layer types, such as pixel layers, text layers, bitmaps, placed smart objects, simply drag a corner handle to scale these layer types proportionally. If you hold down the Shift key while dragging a corner handle during conversion, these layer types will be scaled non-proportionally.


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Add me to the "please fix" camp.

I have never felt that the Shift/Contrain was an issue and don't understand why Adobe felt that needed to change.

Although I still would have been annoyed at having to retrain muscle memory, I would be fine with shift/constrain being reversed if it were CONSISTENT, but it's not. Now I have to think about what type of element I am trying to transform before I hit that shift key. I don't want to think, I just want to do. I use the transform function regularly and now I'm constantly hitting the undo command because I forget to check what type of element I'm transforming before I hit the shift key or not.

Which is easier to remember?
 
Shift = constrain 

or

Shift = uncontrain on raster layers, text layers,  and any group of elements that contain at least one raster layer or alpha mask
Shift = constrain on shape layers, groups of shape layers only, and in other Adobe products
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I just want it back the way it was. This is wasting my time in editing and I have to use this on every photo and graphic I deal with. This was a completely unnecessary change.
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And Marla only described the consequences for scaling constrain behaviors. It all gets even worse if you try to perspectively transform or distort while constraining the movement of the anchors to straight lines. Everything is totally messed up, depending on the layer type. The most annoying change since the creation of Photoshop!
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The time I've spent trying to decipher all these months of "getting nowhere" comments, to cut through the anger and ridiculous, unproductive BS, simply to try to find an answer of how to simply get back to how we are used to work with "shift or no shift" (trained by adobe products no less) is ludicrous. I can be "retrained" but seriously... at the very least, there should be a quick work around, and there should be an EASY and direct way to find an answer to something that have so many people struggling. I personally do not want to hold shift down to to purposely transform/distort imagery.  We've simply been trained otherwise, and it's not consistent with other adobe products.
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I'm not Howard I'm the lead digital artist at his business. I should start by saying that. I've just got to log into our adobe account to post this.

Copy/pasting with a little bit of censorship from my personal facebook  account that an adobe rep asked me to post here.

OMFG I hate Adobe's change to the transform functionality in Photoshop. I've been trying to get use to it all week and it's absolute garbage and the PSUserConfig.txt trick isn't undoing it. I had to revert to old versions on of couple of work's computers because some freelancers we have in just wern't having it. I really spent the week trying to adapt and adjust to the change but but I've gone from being accepting of the logic of the change to bitter and angry.

It's such a necessary thing that's been standardized across the industry, Adobe changing this is equivalent car company being like, 'Hey, I know you're used to manual gear placement on our cars and every competitor's car being 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, but, what about we change to 1, 3, 2, 5, 4. Great right!'

And ya, I'm being harsh and rude but you've ruined a major part of tool that I have to use for my job every day.



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Edited: I was being angry/rude at this at 11 Sunday night working late trough the weekend. Sorry about that, I changed my Facebook post for you guys too. I apologize, but please fix this.
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My Daughter, who is the Art Director for a mid-sized printing company outside of Chicago,150+ employees, told me that tech service had updated her PC, not her MAC, to the latest version of Photoshop. They are not supposed to do that without her permission.
She said, "Nothing works like it should anymore and I am having it switched back to 2018".
Like so many professional of all expertise levels, she is now taking a hard look at Affinity Desktop.
So am I and the more I look, the more I like! 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Did holding the shift key bother anyone?.

I run a group for in-house designers of LinkedIn and Facebook with over 25000 members. I recently asked the question, Did holding the shift key bother anyone? I got the answer I expected, holding the shift key to constrain the aspect ratio when sizing an image bothered no one! 
Not holding the shift key however, that bothered many people, for various reasons. Most just said it was really slowing them down. I agree with them, it makes you lose time, and time is money. Others felt like it was a step toward making Adobe product work more like Microsoft products, and that sent a shudder through the group. The thing that bothers me more than that it doesn't feel thought out, for a couple reasons, one, the way it flashes and jerks to tell you not to hold the shift key, that feels broken. The other reason is you just did it to Photoshop and nothing else. Granted it isn't a huge thing, but it's one more thing I have to remember that works differently between Illustrator and Photoshop and InDesign. Every update I hope that the tools get more aligned so my job is easier, but this time it feels like the interfaces are moving farther apart for the first time. I can honestly say I have not loved everything ever done on Adobe update, but I got used to it after time, this the first update that's made me want to go back to the last version.
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Very well said. 
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Using one finger to hold shift to constrain has not once crossed my mind as an issue in 20 years. No finger strain, no pulled muscles, not a thought. I had never heard this ever brought up by anyone I've ever worked with. Using fingers to control a keyboard is something that we all do. Why would this particular command be an issue? Frankly reaching the thumb over to use Ctrl on a PC vs CMD on a Mac didn't even bother me much.

Some people like this feature. It should have been provided as an option for them, rather than to abruptly change this classic behavior that most were accustomed to.
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I am close to afraid to comment here based upon the anger in the comments already posted. It may come as a surprise to many but logically to me and many photographers, the default should be constrained because we are generally dealing with image materials and need specific HxW ratios.

That having been said, it seems that adding a checkbox somewhere in the preferences dialog to control whether the default is constrained or unconstrained should be a simple fix for Adobe engineers. 
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The hubris of Adobe will be their downfall.
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Cristen - The convention was shift-constrain.  It was that way for 25 years.  This is a change that wasn't asked for.  Also, there is no reason to constrain (no pun intended) the desktop app to the mobile app's methods.  It's a completely different interface.
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Even so, the tool is called “Free Transform” as mentioned above.

I think the best option would be to add an option in PS’ preferences and whomever wants to turn it on, great, and the rest of us can continue working as we did for the last 20 years.
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> The convention was shift-constrain.  It was that way for 25 years>

Alan, yes, I do know that. This change wasn't asked for by any of us who have used PS for decades. BUT, Kenton Smith has made a point that deserves consideration. It goes a long way to addressing the "why" of the change that was made. Adobe doesn't exist in a closed world. And they cast their net far and wide when gathering data from users, asking them what they find trips them up. The fact that the convention inside of Adobe doesn't correlate directly to what many popular current apps outside the Adobe sphere are doing (I've heard MS doesn't follow Adobe's convention, but since I use nothing Microsoft, I won't swear to that) is likely the issue Adobe chose to address.

BTW, Affinity Photo, which so many PS users say they're going to switch to using whenever PS does something they don't like, doesn't use the Shift key to transform an image layer with constraint. They use the Shift key to free transform. On1, otoh, follows the now defunct behavior of Adobe, and uses Shift to transform constrained. IOW, Adobe has inconvenienced many of us, but it hasn't done anything out of step with what everyone else is doing, which is to say, NOT settling on an industry standard for when to use Shift to constrain and when to use Shift to distort.

As far as I can see, no mistake was made in allowing no modifier to produce a constrained transform when working with image pixels, in order to "play well with others." The mistake was not allowing us to opt out. Which I've said repeatedly throughout this endless thread, and just did say in my last message.<sigh>

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Lots of mistakes; not identifying how fundamental 'Shift to constrain' is, so not changing it in the 100s of places it needs changing, no fallback, and now no acknowledgement or roadmap for doing it right.

We're pros, we can adapt to fundamental changes but this isn't well-executed. It's low-quality, half-baked work that deserves to be called out. What an embarrassment.
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If Adobe has screwed up Photoshop so bad in favor of the upcoming Photoshop for IPad like so many of us think, the issue is that the ‘Real’ Photoshop for iPad isn’t ‘Real’. To completely change the behavior of basic tools that we have used for years rather than to develop a ‘Real’ version of Photoshop for iPad is not accomplishing a quality product for either version. As bad as I may want to use Photoshop on my iPad, I would rather mirror my iPad to my Mac to use for a drawing pad. I still see that the new version of Photoshop is too full of bugs and other bad behaviors that I’m not likely to ever use anything later than the 2018 version.
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I would never use Photoshop on an iPad.

The only other device I will ever use it is on my MacBook Pro (15"). I find it incredibly annoying to edit anything on iPhones or iPads regardless of the version. I have to be able to see what I'm doing, and those screens are too small, and uncomfortable to hold too. 

I enjoy my iMac way too much to ever give up editing on it. And like you said, if this was so it merges with the iPad, then I can only hope Adobe realizes that there are still a ton of people out there who enjoy editing on their iMac's or other type of real computers and not these amateur devices. There's no way in hell I would ever give up editing on my desktop. Plus, I am a power user too; I bounce between Photoshop + Illustrator + InDesign and also Audition and Premiere, and Acrobat, so there is no way I could get my work done on an iPad/iPhone.

I have a bad feeling that this is coming from a community of people who are only hobbyists and who have zero understanding of how professionals use, and have used these products, and this will be very damaging for us pro's if we let it happen. I don't have an issue with having versions of Photoshop for iPad's or iPhones, however, there needs to be a boundary of how much amateurs can alter these professional products before we pros have to look into other software options to get our work done in a timely fashion.
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I complreely agree! iPad and specially iphones are for watching with fun, but not for serious work. Adapting to touch screens means less options and therefore more steps that mean more and confusing work for profs.
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I agree in part, but not completely. If you've ever used Affinity for the iPad, you know you can do a lot to start a project, then finish it at your desktop. This can be as necessary in professional settings as it might be fun for personal use. The time is beginning where the line between mobile and desktop is getting blurry enough to transition.

But since I'll have to keep on saying it or you all with think I don't like choice—that doesn't mean I think Adobe should force behavior on us. They should be expanding options for managing our workflow. In the bad old days of limited horsepower, that may have made sense, but today I believe most computers they support can handle more options for how each individual chooses to work.
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Similar to the move to Lightroom CC from Lightroom Classic, it seems like Adobe is focused on a different set of users rather than those of us professionals using their apps long term. For smart phone photographers, LR CC web based and PS on the iPad seems like a great idea and will make that group of users happy. Why they feel the need to change existing apps rather than just offer a set of new apps for that special group of users is a mystery to me. 

Most of us professionals are using computers with large displays to make editing easier and far more accurate that it ever will be on a phone or iPad screen. If I was making the decisions at Adobe, I would want to capture that new group as well but would work extremely hard to maintain my support from the existing customer base using our products.

Why they put Lightroom CC in the top part of the Adobe Cloud App list of apps and bury Lightroom Classic way down below is an indication of where Adobe seems to be going. For me, this is the bellwether of things to come. I have been a loyal and supportive Adobe customer and professional teaching classes in LR and PS for many years. Even I am worried about where this is all headed.

So far, I continue to be loyal and support Adobe but like the rest of you, I am carefully watching to see where this is going.
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@Cristen 'I'm one who is having trouble adjusting'

Adjusting would be the case if Adobe did this properly. i.e. identify it needed to make a fundamental change to all graphics software, then change it everywhere (both within PS and across CC). Then we could simply 'adjust' to the change.

But Adobe didn't do it properly. The implementation is a half-baked embarrassment that creates huge inconstancies fundamental to everything we do. I actually have no issue with changing the behaviour but the way Adobe did this is incompetent on so many levels.

 ALL of Adobe's customers deserve better IMHO; 'pro', 'amateur' or whatever. 
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I absolutely agree ! I am a professional retoucher for the last 15 years.  I make my living using photoshop. If photoshop wants to be a professional program it has to focus foremost on it's professional users.
I retouch a lot of e commerce and there time and efficiency everything. If for some reason something slows me down I loose money.
Creatives who make their living using it have to be the main focus before creatives who don't make a living with it, however super talented or amazing they are.
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@Andi 

I agree re the small efficiencies you mention. I've worked with and trained many people at work and lots wonder why some earn much more money. A huge part of the answer is efficiency when it comes to the small stuff that's done 100s of times per day.
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absolutely, I don't have time to fiddle around and get used to changed tools that have over 10 years of muscle memory or however you want to call it. If I have to do 100 images and I get slowed down by 5 minutes each time I loose 500 minutes, more than a days work. 
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>  ALL of Adobe's customers deserve better IMHO; 'pro', 'amateur' or whatever.>

My feeling exactly!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Transform Constraint ... Pleeeeease put it back the way it was.

The swapped transform constraint is a major pain in the ass. Can you please, for once, just put it back the way it bloody was. It still catches me out .. Every. Single. Time. I have 20 yrs of muscle memory with this. Not to mention you left it the other way for literally everything else.
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@Cristen: With all due respect, someones's photographic ability does not lie in Photoshop tools as most artists don't photograph something with Photoshop in mind. It's usually the subject, composition and light that they are concerned with. "Photographs" are finished in Photoshop; they do not start in Photoshop.

My remark in regards to amateurs was precisely what was already mentioned after your reply: time efficiency. I retouch, I design graphics, I bounce between programs, and my clients want their images within a specific time frame. "Amateur" is not a derogative word. It isn't an insult either. It is a word that describes someone doing something for personal enjoyment instead of a salary. I know of plenty of amateurs who come up with great ideas, however, in the case of Photoshop and this tool, whomever came up with it failed to see the effect it will have on those who get paid to create images for others, and who have deadlines to meet. It may seem trivial for you, but every image you see in a grocery store went through Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign. Images you see in malls, on vehicles, on online shores, all went through these same programs, and there are people who are getting paid to create them, and these people were heavily inconvenienced by this change. Now, instead of focusing on the creative aspects of "X" design, we have to sit there and fiddle with a tool. That is time consuming, and unnecessary for us to do. When I mentioned amateurs above, I referred to those who show no respect towards professionals. Sadly, there are plenty in that category. So, it's hard to have respect for them, when they show no respect for us.
I usually ask amateurs to show respect for those of us who get paid to do different design and photo jobs and not meddle unless their idea will actually help us. My husband learned how to do Taxes when he was very young, and he's been doing our taxes for decades now, however, he does not involve himself in the software development teams at TurboTax our of respect for those who work there and know what they need to properly do their jobs. We ask for the same kind of respect. If we don't meddle into your field of work, please don't meddle in ours. 

Also, if people frown so badly at Elements and act insulted at the suggestion of using it, then how come Adobe hasn't discontinued it yet? Just curious. If there is so much aversion towards it how come it still exists? To me it seems logical that it would be discontinued if customers were that unhappy with that product.

In my option, I think certain amateurs prefer to brag they are using Photoshop (even if they're only using the Saturation slider) as a way to appear important. I've known such characters in my 20+ year experience with this program. 

Also, using curves versus levels as a photographer means nothing, I use what will give me the best result for the photo I am working on, and thankfully there are a million ways to accomplish something in PS. So, I didn't see the point in mentioning that small detail.

Professionals do not have a single workflow. Each image asks for something different unless someone is only shooting shoes on white background. 
"They know the software, are less limited than many a "professional" who specializes in a single workflow".
Professionals aren't "limited" by this software in the least. I use it for work and also for personal stuff. Always. "Limited" is the last word I would ever use to describe using Photoshop.
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> someones's photographic ability does not lie in Photoshop tools as most artists don't photograph something with Photoshop in mind. >

Again, I beg to disagree. I know many photographers who have good composition and exposure, but fail to do well in post and the image fails to be as good as it could be— along with photographers less skilled, perhaps, in the technical issues involved with capturing the image in camera, but who do excel in post. The best photographers are also often aware of what they can do in post, just as Ansel Adams was aware of what HE could do with the negative.

However, I accept that you didn't mean to denigrate the work of amateurs, or how important Photoshop is to many of them. I know that there are plenty of people out there who have no idea what it takes to do a good job, and think their every Facebook post is worth looking at without their making an effort for it. They think the computer does it all, or should, with a single push of a single button, and we here do know better.

 I did acknowledge that professionals are usually the most directly affected by changes as they are working to a deadline and still have to produce good product. I work to deadlines, too. I'm not at all unsympathetic, or even completely an outsider. I, too, was trained in graphic design, so I'm also not entirely unaware of what designers do and the many hats they have to juggle with extreme pressure on their time.

> Also, if people frown so badly at Elements and act insulted at the suggestion of using it,>

I don't think anyone frowns so badly at Elements, but they may well be insulted if they're told because they don't work for hire, they should be using Elements and not make any requests to Adobe for features that would enhance their experience with Photoshop. They're not all incapable of judging which application suits their needs best. Elements is great for certain types of creative endeavor, but not every creative endeavor. That's also why we have Lightroom something or other.

> Professionals aren't "limited" by this software in the least>

No, professionals aren't limited by the software. I said their use of it can be so highly specialized, they have no need for many of the features. That doesn't make them any less the professional. I do know some of them. Great work, but don't ask them to vote to combine Calcs with Apply Image in a single enhanced dialog. Don't even ask them to vote to include Scopes or enhance the Actions panel, or the many other features that could do with a boost. They probably don't care that so many ancient filters still don't have a preview, or don't run in 16 bit. I still acknowledge that those features they have need of are extremely important to their making a living—witness the many of us who use Free Transform on a daily basis (do we now change its name to Fixed Transform??), bringing down the house over the change. But just being a professional doesn't necessarily mean you have a need where many others might indeed have a need.

I think Adobe, in general,  try not to be this disruptive. And I don't believe they acted in bad faith here, although I expect to be pilloried for saying that. I don't think they really understood how difficult this was going to be, so they missed how easily they could have avoided all this. I don't know their job, either, so I guess that makes us equal on that score.

I absolutely do NOT want Adobe to dumb Photoshop down, or I'll be out of a program I can use. And I absolutely do want to see more flexibility in how we use it, not less. But for that, we all deserve a seat at the table. Good ideas can come from anywhere—just as bad ideas can come from anywhere too.
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Kudos! Well said!
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Everyone who'd like to see this behavior changed back without having to write a custom script to do it (steps are described earlier in this thread) or to revert to an older version of PS, remember to click the "Me too" button at the top of this thread.

If you've already done so, thanks!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New transform constraints are annoying!.

for those of us who've been using Photoshop for decades, the change to constraint modifiers is a frustrating break to our  workflow. It's reflexive to ADD a constraint by pressing modifiers. Pressing to REMOVE them is counter-intuitive. I'm willing to accept that some users might like the new way, but please allow us old lags to turn it off! I've got rid of it by using the text file trick in the AppData folder, but surely it makes more sense to put it into Preferences?
Every time you change long-established keyboard shortcuts (and I'm looking at YOU, Ctrl-F), you reduce usability for those who've been supporting you for years.
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Perhaps everyone should take a look at the attached link if you want to see where Adobe is placing their business emphasis. Maybe what we are experiencing is the result of them going in another direction!
https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-customer-highlights-2018-adobe-experience-business-awards/
Enjoy!
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> I personally am not on board with AI too much, because that means the "software engineer" is the artist and not me.>

Mostly I hate anything "AI"  for the same reason, but I have seen it work pretty well in some practical areas. Topaz has AI Clear and AI Gigapixel (with human controls). These are filters that depend upon close up computer analysis to be able to do a better job than humans. I don't own either, but I will probably at least get AI Gigapixel eventually for those times I need to upscale by a lot. (And yes, I know garbage in/garbage out, but if that's what you have to work with, at least make it the best garbage, to paraphrase someone who always has the best of everything. . . ) From what I've seen, it does a better job than On1, which does a better job than PS. So there are certain areas where computer analysis could probably help us—but not if it amounts to Auto color or Auto tone, where all the creative decisions are removed by algorithms.

I can embrace AI/Sensei development (better CAF anyone?), but not if it were trying to "level" the playing field between creatives and people who think 5 minutes is a bit too long to work at creating something. I can remember Painter used to sell itself by saying "you don't need to learn to paint—we can do it for you." LOL 

Computer industries are always trying to make themselves indispensable that way, and it's up to us to push back—asking for the tools that help us be more productive, better creatives, not better robots. We just can't give up, not because we get discouraged. We do, and we can each of us step back for a bit to refresh, but we can't give up because there is literally no other option—unless we can get voted onto the board of directors, that is.
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Agree. We also use CAD software here, and my colleagues often want these new features and shortcuts to speed workflow and make things easier. However, the more shortcuts they add, the less we are depended on for our actual skill. Eventually we won't be needed and won't have jobs! Not to mention you lose the artists 'hand' in the resulting work. Thirdly, you will be expected to finish things quicker because your manager thinks you are using these magic shortcuts.

There are shortcuts I deliberately won't use because I prefer a natural feel, and some shortcuts look cheap and digital, and end up looking the same as everyone else using those shortcuts. Kind of like how you can tell when someone uses a Photoshop filter. Often someone will ask me to 'just use the filter to get this effect!' I'm like 'nope'

We learned this stuff because we did not have shortcuts, we manually did the work. How will anyone ever learn anything if things are automated, and will art/design look like.
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> We learned this stuff because we did not have shortcuts, we manually did the work. How will anyone ever learn anything if things are automated, and will art/design look like.>

Probably be a reflection, not a comment, upon the rest of our society.<sigh> With easy button, sound bite responses to everything, we'll have to let go of the phrase "it's a brave new world." Nothing brave about it if you don't take any risks. LOL
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Nolan Conley

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Very true and well said!
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Mark Payne

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Yup. True and well said.
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It seems that we aren't the only ones complaining about this crazy PS update. Apparently people have taken to Twitter to complain about cc 2019.

Interesting read from Creative Bloq team.
https://www.creativebloq.com/news/designers-are-not-happy-with-this-photoshop-update


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@Joachim: 
<But I still think new features in or even the smallest bug requests to fix takes too much effort to get heard. I don't want to place each feature request and fight with claws and nails to get people to upvote them until eventually Adobe listens.>

I was replying to this above. Meaning, the reason it takes so long is because they are working so far ahead that it's hard to backtrack and fix something. That's what it looks like to me. Their focus is continually moving forward, so when a mistake like this happens, it takes sometime to go back and fix it.
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@Alexandra Giamanco Well, the HiDPI UI fix took about 4-5 years since people started complaining. the requested brush improvements took even a LOT longer than that. There's a limit to how far one should backtrack tbh :D ...Either the team is too small or things take too much time to make in the Photoshop code. Nevertheless it's kind of unfortunate when a feature takes so long that its nearly obsolete when it actually comes out. 
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Alexandra Giamanco

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@Joachim...I agree 100%. I think taking "years" to do something is crazy, but I have to wonder one thing: are the people who work on the back end of PS new? Are they software engineers who are just starting out and have never worked on it ever before? Because that would be one of the reasons why it would take so long. If the team working is located in one place and not all over the world, then you're right, there is no reason to take this long to add/remove something in the back end. I once heard that those who work on photoshop are not in the same building as those who work on Illustrator, so having the work on the back end outsourced in different countries may be why it is taking this long. This is not good obviously. 

I agree about the brush tool; I asked for years indeed for it to allow us to organize our hundreds of brushes.
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Wasn't the HiDPI hold up a Windows issue?  It's never been a problem on the macOS side.  Until Adobe decide to publish an OS as well, they can only worth with what Microsoft and Apple give them. 
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@alexandra giamanco, Yeah, and Look at what CC 2019 brought us, a rather simple color wheel (compared to coolorus), a small upgrade to the HealBrush tool and force shifting two keyboard shortcuts around (multiple undos and free transform)...If that's the rate of features on a yearly update, then one can't expect to a feature request in decades!

@Warren, well maybe the way they solved required something from Microsoft. But I had other programs that supported both low and HiDPI monitors at the same time, so it's not something that couldn't be done. Also, they way they added it initially before it was fixed, it would have been better if they let windows do the job by scaling it instead. Which is something most were stuck with unless doing an elaborate hack. But once it got fixed, it was solved very well from Adobes part, gotta give them that :) 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop CC19 constrain/ resize feedback.

I hate it, sorry!  When I hold shift to remove the constraint from the image it's super twitchy both with my Mac track pad and my Wacom tablet.  I have no idea how to fix that and it's super frustrating. I'm running IOS 10.13.6

I also dislike the fact that it's difficult to get back to the legacy version.  There should be a toggle in Preferences.  I performed the fix, and it defaults back to the new resize version when I restart my computer.
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Cristen Gillespie

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Nope. The programs don't still work. They work up to the point you haven't paid for. LR will allow you to continue to access the Library module.

Part of the reason for subscription was to have a revenue stream they could count on to put into R&D, whether or not we like what they R&D.  '-}  They offer more for less, for those who use many of the apps some of the time, or for those in the Photography Plan, and we pay them that "less"  both to get more and, hopefully, to keep that R&D going.

Me, I'm on the fence about it. I see the advantage to Adobe, and the potential for advantage to us, (and the Photography Plan really is a fair value for the price compared to the competitors), but whether or not we get enough in return for our fee is a very personal decision, one that can change if we are happy with alternatives and what they cost.
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Good to know before I shut off my CC account. It's a sad day, I have never stepped back an update in 20 plus years of using Adobe products. I've been slowed by updates until I got a handle on a new tool, but Photoshops and Illustrators changes have caused a big hit on my productivity, it is just too much to swallow this time.
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Cristen Gillespie

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I know what all might be a problem with PS, but just wondering what in the last release of Illustrator is giving you fits?
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For what it is worth,my Daughter the Art Director, will not let IT update her department MAC's at this time until she has a chance to determine if this is a good idea. She is in the printing business and Illustrator is a big part of what they need to do their job. 
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Cristen Gillespie

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Well I have good news on the transform front. I've finally adjusted to not holding Shift when transforming. Unfortunately, that's also the bad news.  Illustrator has other ideas. <g> 
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I can't get used to this!!!
- It's different for raster and vector layers!
- The constrain button doesn't work as it should!
- It's different in other Adobe products!
- It's called FREE TRANSFORM ffs, not proportional transform!
It was fine the way it was. Please revert!! This is really slowing down my workflow! I use Photoshop every day and I use both vector and raster layers so I can't get used to this! It's just horrible! REVERT!!! 
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Mark Payne

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haha. This image is going to be the story of our lives!
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Kenton Smith

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You can, but you shouldn't have to.
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Kenton Smith

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I do a post to my group every Friday called the Friday Funny. Here's this week.

Want to know why all the complaining in the world isn't going to make Adobe care what we don't like about Photoshop...
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Dennis Nisbet

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While this is not "For REAL" I love it!
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Literally the stupidest thing ever ... well done Adobe ... 
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I challenge your use of "literally". I would argue that there are plenty of "Florida Man" news stories that are stupider. :D
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In the context of photoshop (which seems to be the conversation) ... and changing something as historical and embedded into the muscle memory of almost every user of the software ... I'll stick with - "Literally the stupidest thing ever ..."

Not sure where Florida comes into it ... ???
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Haha, sorry, the overuse of "literally" is just a pet peeve of mine and I was making a joke. The reference to "Florida Man" is about the running gag that all the craziest news starts with "Florida Man...". Ex. "Florida Man Enters Convenience Store Carrying Live Gator, Chases Customers" 
More exciting news can be found at https://floridaman.com/ (no affiliation... just found on web search)
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> The reference to "Florida Man" is about the running gag that all the craziest news starts with "Florida Man...". >

Yup, that and all the Darwin awards you can find that cover the whole of the US.<G> Pretty eye-opening.  Some do have Adobe beat by a mile.<G>

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I would just like to know who proposed this, who and why it was approved, and who cheered on it.
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Adobe is going the way of Apple, and while it seems inconceivable we’d use anything other than Photoshop, it was inconceivable a few years ago that I would eradicate Apple software from my life, and regularly test Windows (v10 is much improved). We shouldn’t kid ourselves, Adobe has its eyes on other markets and we’ve all noticed it with the ‘features’ added in recent years. It may take years but I’m definitely keeping my options open.
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I had no idea Kelby was still a thing. I thought he'd flamed out after his excessive claims for Lightroom vs Photoshop were debunked — if no one remembers, photographers who didn't make the move were all said to be willing to destroy their original data, so everyone should want to dump Photoshop and use Lightroom, which preserved their original data.<sigh>

But yes, I agree with Max. If the Kelby organization has the ear of Adobe, not as one more, but as a heavily weighted group compared to the rest of us, it does explain the trend towards pushing features on us that they think will be less confusing to beginners. I do so hope that's not true. There are even a lot of amateurs, photographers and artists, who need the real power of Photoshop, and as I keep saying, are willing and able, at all ages, to learn what they need to learn so they can do what they want to do.
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@Cristen: LOL...Yeah, sadly they are.

They do, very very deeply too. What I don't understand are two things:
A) why AIGA isn't 100% involved with Adobe to where Adobe is consulting them first when making major changes like this one.

B) why is Adobe hell bent on supporting amateurs instead of professionals who use their products for 12+ hours a day. 


I can actually answer "B" by simply saying "newer generations" woke up on YouTube and only a few people from these generations still value a 4 year solid education in graphic design/photography (because the cost of those degrees versus wages is lopsided), and so they're dumbing stuff down for YouTubers and weekend users at the request of KelbyOne wannabe's, which is very disappointing, annoying and sad for us pro's. I wish Bert Monroy could save Photoshop for us, but I don't know that he can or is willing to.
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Ben, don't you find that Windows basically crushes one's creative soul?  Okay, I'm over stating it a bit.  Windows has gotten to be very Mac like over the years with some improvements; however, the Windows Color Picker burns a hole in my mind's eye anytime it pops up.
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@Warren Yep! But Windows has improved to the point where it's possible to switch. Recent Apple/Adobe decisions create doubts, even if we end up staying.

Sometimes, the alternative is simply a company who cares more - whatever we think of the change, Adobe's assessment/implementation/communication has been sub-par.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop CC 2019 Transform tool behavior I HATE THE CHANGE YOU MADE!.

is there a setting to go back to the legacy version of the Transform Tool?! PLEASE!!!
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Tim - did you just post here without reading through the entire thread. The answer has been posted over and over and over and over again - and then again. All you have to do is make a small simple text file, save it with a specific name and drop it into a specific folder. Done. That ought to take about two minutes and you'll be exactly where you want to be and it fixes the crop tool too. Yahoo. 
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To revert to the legacy transform behavior, do the following:

1.    Use Notepad (Windows) or a text editor on Mac OS to create a plain text file (.txt).

2.    Type the text below in the text file:
TransformProportionalScale 0


3.    Save the file as "PSUserConfig.txt" to your Photoshop settings folder:

·         Windows: [Installation Drive]:\Users\[User Name]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings\

·         macOS: //Users/[User Name]/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings/

This was posted by an MVP, but I can’t find the original post.

It works!
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Is there also a script to deactivate that always interfering Auto-commit of transforms by clicking in the canvas? This is even more annoying for me than the completely messed up integration of propoprtionals transform!
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This thread could really use more "Me Too" votes at the top.   Of course, almost as my people who've voted for it have also left it.

There is a very good chance of Free Transform reverting complete or at least getting a "Use Legacy Transform Controls" in the preferences if this get a high vote count.
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Warren HeatonAlexandra Giamanco, Perhaps copy and paste below to Facebook and Twitter or any other social media platforms? Change below to suit how you want to advertise the problem. I will be doing this but I will be adding hashtags for attention.
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Photoshop CC 2019: Transform/Resize is constrained by default - Want ability to go back to legacy behavior.  Do you agree? Click 'Me Too"
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/constrained-resize-ps-cc-20?
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I can do that, but I only rely on hashtags as I don't have any followers on Twitter, and I don't use Facebook either because I have no use for it. But yeah, if you have a larger social media following I think it would help to share there. I was thinking about graphic designer associations like AIGA, since they have more credibility IMO against social media and the disaster that has turned out to be.
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It will be interesting to see if there is any response. Fingers crossed.
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The problem I see is that Adobe will be their own downfall... alll they need to do is acknowledge theres a fook up, ask us to hang in while they address the issue (in our favor of course) and all this shyt will go away... insted they insist on being dumb, IMO to show us whos boss and to piss us off more because we complain.
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That was my thoughts. If they would just acknowledge the problems and let us know they are working on solutions, we could alll move on.
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I had two instances where these forums here actually solved a problem that was very significant.

First ---
In 2014, my Wacom had a problem toggle with Shortcut X between foreground and background. ( o I thought(  At that time I retouched skin with the grey layer technique as I learned from Kathrin Eismann's photoshop book. This technique was not working anymore.
Toggling had a lag or did not switch at all.
After speaking to Wacom extensively, they blamed it on photoshop. Turns out it was a photoshop bug.
Photoshop did not reply directly.
I published it on macnn ( a forum that doesn't exist anymore) and wrote to Kathryn, telling her that the technique she describes is useless.
Upon that "pressure", Photoshop software engineers  specifically wrote a plugin that got rid of the toggle problem and later implemented it in an update.

Second ---
One or two years later, designers changed the Interface and it was quite a nightmare!
All the colors were gone and all was much harder to see. After lots of retouchers complained a couple of us wrote and even drew up examples what we thought will work better, like colors for layers and colors for paths even ( that came later)

Throughout the process the communication was not the greatest. 
But in the end they changed it.
I am sure the people who are directly involved read these comments and will take them to heart.
I am not sure how much they have to say in that matter.
It might be a marketing thing or a political issue in which direction photoshop will head, I agree.

What might work for the the future is to report this to people like Phlearn, photoshop magazines, retouching forums etc.

MacNN at that time picked up the story and that definitely helped.

I think what doesn't help is being rude or advising to use pirated software.

Then like me I will just skip reading the comment

I am of course very upset about the unworkable update and hope this will get resolved soon.

In the meantime I only use 2018.

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You'll find all over YouTube a significant amount of PS instructors who will not use CC 2019. Their comments - "it's buggy".  A couple of these instructors are well known and went to Adobe MAX 2018.
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A lot that has been is here is 'over my head', but I use PS all day (and at night too). I went back to 2018. After reading what has been posted here, I'm not alone in what I was thinking. The update that I installed was 'broken' and I was at my wits end until I went back. My only advise is to fill out those surveys that show up from time to time and make a comment. I know for sure that someone reads them. Good Luck!