Combine Lightroom and Photoshop

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Adobe please combine Lightroom and Photoshop to make an all-in-one photographers' tool. It is infuriating to work on a file in Lightroom and then to edit that file in Photoshop only to lose the previous Lightroom steps / history when the file is saved back into Lightroom.
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They're completely different concepts (non-destructive metadata editor vs. pixel editor) Brian, so even if they could combine them, you'd still hit the same issue depending on the tool you used. They have added many Photoshop-like tools into Lightroom, like the spot healing and local adjustment tools, but there are pros and cons to each approach.
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Not to mention but Photoshop was build 30 years ago for graphic designers. A small percentage of Photoshop users are also photographers. 
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Also the file returned to LR from PS (If the original file was a RAW file) is in a different format, has a different file extension, and is a totally separate, different file. No LR adjustments have been applied to that new PS edited file.
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What Brian obviously envisions is a combined application that does not work with different formats and concepts, but does everything in raw. A version of Lightroom that can work with layers and can combine different photos into one new raw (or raw-like) DNG file, like Lightroom can already do with panoramas and HDR. Wishful thinking, perhaps, but technically not impossible.
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It sounds to me like what you really want is Camera Raw/Photoshop, plus a DAM (there are several out there) to manage a catalog, or simply manage your files in Bridge without a catalog. I use NeoFinder for offline cataloging and Bridge for online management—but I could use only the catalog system if I wanted.

You don't actually lose your previous LR settings if you edit a copy—they're just in the file without the PS settings. To have any edits to those settings ripple through to your PS edits, you could use Camera Raw instead, open it as an SO, then be very careful to make only adjustments in PS that won't prevent an edit to your CR settings from being seeing through all the layers on top. It's either that or you have to redo some of your edits, but your CR settings are still safe inside the SO.

I remember Margulis, a rather famous image editor and author of PS books—if you don't know him, saying once that you shouldn't be too afraid of destructive editing if you know what you're doing—after all, you wouldn't be editing the image if you didn't want to "destroy" some of the pixels you have in your original image. For us PS users, that's a rather liberating concept of what we're doing, or planning to do, with our images.

And even though I basically use LR Classic for tethering, I would be in the company of many, many others who don't want LR and PS to merge. The point of LR was to be easier than PS because it focused on a single workflow. I'd both hate PS to become focused like that as customers complained it "overwhelming" (which they did to get Adobe to develop LR in the first place),  and I'd also hate to not be able to recommend LR to so many users I know who really only want to do photography.  They aren't good candidates for PS or PSE. But they are excellent candidates for LR, and many of them love the fact that they only need to "deal with" Photoshop on the rare occasion they can't do something they need to do in LR.

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LR became a big slow elephant . Could you imagine how many nerves will we need if they combine it with one more elephant? :)
I vote for very strong optimizing LR and making it quicker, and no more additions for the next release at all.
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Hi, no gurus of Lightroom Classic... If you go to LR Classic for editing in Photoshop, simply use Edit in PS as smart object and voila... Watch the video! Save the file. XMP, you can open the raw directly in PS, or even via Bridge edit it in CameraRaw directly... Don't ask a factory gas, learn how to properly use the existing.

The video of the Workflow : http://www.julienharlaut.com/





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Yes, some of the things mentioned could be done with smart objects, but then at least Lightroom should have the option to load several raw files as smart object layers in one document. It can't do that right now, so you'll have to do that manually.

And unfortunately, smart objects are not the answer for everything. Photoshop is often used for heavy pixel editing (like severe cloning, or content-aware removing of things), and that is something you cannot do in a smart object. You would have to do that in a separate layer, but then you can no longer edit the brightness or color of the smart object without getting a mismatch between that smart object and the clone layer, which defeats the purpose of using a smart object in the first place.
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> Hi, no gurus of Lightroom Classic... If you go to LR Classic for editing in Photoshop, simply use Edit in PS as smart object and voila... Watch the video! Save the file. XMP, you can open the raw directly in PS, or even via Bridge edit it in CameraRaw directly... Don't ask a factory gas, >>

Wasn't aware what we all were. I'm afraid I consider Victoria one of the leading authors and experts on LR and I'll defer to her knowledge any day, and I suspect Rick has forgotten more about LR's history as it's changed over the years than most of us ever knew, but. . .

>> only to lose the previous Lightroom steps / history when the file is saved back into Lightroom. >>

Sure he can use an SO, but he's not concerned with the trip to Photoshop, but the trip back. He wants to be able to come back to LR and have, in that same file, all his LR settings available to modify. That's just not possible. If he takes an SO into PS, he's got his LR settings to edit in CR, but coming back, he's got a PSD file with Edit attached to the name and if he wants to now adjust his LR settings in LR, good luck with that. I can edit my LR (now CR) settings again by returning to PS, this time editing the original or as a Smart Object, but I'm still not going to get to have the full shebang inside LR. Depending upon what I've done in PS, I might have a rough time re-editing the LR bits in Camera Raw and having them do anything at all without extensive work in reconstructing my edits in PS.

I almost always take images out of LR into PS as Smart Objects, but I have no intention of returning those edited versions to LR to further use LR with them. Other people, however, have a good reason to want them back in LR, but they won't retain access to all of LR's very first edits  and the PS edits too.
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Personally, I keep everything in LR using the facilities on offer, for me, a RAW edited in LR then changed in PS or any other external editor becomes a new original and should be treated accordingly, is pe principle of LR, if that doesn't work for you are working with Bridge!

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The wonderful thing about Adobe software are all the different ways users can find to work with it! 
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If you was a really high priority, I guess you could use PS to wrap your raw originals in PSD files as smart objects and have those PSD files as your originals in LR instead of the raw originals, but you'd quickly get into crazy file sizes. It's not worth it.