Elements 14: How do I change menu font size in the Organizer?

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In 13, the Editor menus the font size can be changed, but not the Organizer. Does Elements 14 allow menu font sizes to be changed in both?
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Michel BRETECHER, Champion

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Elements 13 and 14 font size can be set by Windows itself for the organizer.
Right click on a free part of the desktop and choose the display parameters. You can set a bigger font size, it will apply to other software as well.
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This is true with other software, but the Organizer in 13 does not change font size. The font size is so small as to be almost un-readable on a high resolution display. Users have been complaining about this for the last two versions of Elements with no complete response by Adobe. It is very difficult to read it on my 13 inch laptop. If they do not correct the issue in 14, I will move on to other software.
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James,
That question came when Elements 13 was issued. Then I gave the tip to use Windows to set the font size for the organizer, and I got many positive answers and no negative ones, which shows that this works ok. This has no effect on the editor (and some other programs).
I have switched to Windows 10 and Elements 14 and the option is still there. My personal preference is to set the interface elements to 125% on my 1920 x 1200 display.
The organizer does not change the font size, Windows can.
The editor does not recognize the Windows interface settings, but since Elements 13 it can be set to show the 200% font size.
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Michel,Thanks again for responding. I am using 13.1 on a Dell with 23 inch monitor at 1920 by 1080 with Windows 7 and 13.1 on an Asus Laptop with a 13 inch screen at 1920 by 1080 with Windows 10. I have tried your suggestion on both computers at 100,125,150 and 175% display settings and the font size of the drop-down menus in the Organizer does not change. The editor does goes from 100 to 200 %, the latter of which is useless as half the editing options do not appear on the screen in the expert mode. The automatic mode does not seem to recognize changing display settings. I think I have seen others post they have tried your suggestion with results similar to mine. I wonder if there is an issue recognizing certain types of high resolution screens. Changing the display settings does change my icon and text sizes on my screen so Windows is doing something, but my computers will just not change the menu font sizes. Perhaps someone else reading this can offer a comment. Appreciate your help Michel.
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ok, we'll have to wait for other testimonies.
My desktop has a LaCie 324 display 24" 1920x1200. I have tested it with Win 7 and Win 10. I'll do further tests with another 1920x1080 display and with an Asus laptop on Win 7.
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Hi James,

For Organizer/Editor to respond to 150% DPI scaling, minimum supported vertical resolution of the monitor should be 1200. Please see if that is possible on your monitor.
DPI Scaling support is dependent on a recommended minimum resolution at which app window does not clip. Hope this helps.

Thanks
Andaleeb
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Follow up:
With the Asus laptop, the scaling does not occur (max vertical pixel size = 900)
With the desktop (Win 10, PSE 14) it works ok with my LaCie 324 (1200). Curiously it also works with a second monitor 1900 x 1080: the scaling occurs... and the bottom of the display is masked!
That's coherent with Andaleeb's explanation.
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Thank you both for your comments. Neither of my displays go beyond 1080 so I am stuck with the small fonts on the laptop and on the 23 inch monitor I can read the fonts okay. Thank you Andaleeb for explaining the limitations. This is the first time someone from Adobe has responded to this question that has been raised by many others. I guess I will use Nikon Capture NX-D on my laptop from now on as its menu fonts are easier to read. Picasa 3 is also is easier to read on the laptop. I am assuming from your comments that 14 behaves the same way as 13 with regards to font size. Thank you both again.
Jim
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This problem has also caused me to abandon Elements. How many full size desktop monitors with a vertical size >= 1200 resolution are now sold versus hi-res laptops and their 1920 x 1020 displays? You are really losing a large part of the market. Its a real shame you can't address the reality of this problem.
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Rudy,
I can't speak for Adobe, but here is my personal view on the matter.
A few years ago, there was no hdpi display, and everybody was happy.
Editing on laptops was considered amateurish and dangerous for your eyesight. Not on account of resolution, on account of display size and distance. That said, you could achieve perfect, high end retouches by choosing the right pixel resolution depending on your display size. 1900 x 1080 was, and still is too much for a 15" laptop display. I simply set the resolution of the display to a lesser size (not only the text font size); and I am perfectly happy. I have a suitable size for the text and icons, and I can zoom in and out, switching between global view and pixel editing. And I don't strain my old eyesight.

Now, marketing people have managed to convince you that a higher resolution is a must. Bigger is better. Laptops can replace desktop displays. But the scaling problem is only partially solved with the 200% workaround. The main problems today are with:
- laptops with not quite hdpi displays (150% would be ideal)
- people with lesser viewing aptitudes, needing larger fonts.
In both cases, waiting for Microsolft and Adobe to find a solution, your only wise course is to set your display resolution to a lesser pixel size. You'll be amazed at how good that is (just like in the good old days).
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While I respect your comments, I strongly diagree. It doesn't take much to strongly discern the difference between a lower and higher resolution display. Putting PCs aside for the moment, would you prefer a pre-HD tv to the current crop of hi def? The same is true for PC monitors.

Additionally the hardware runs optimally at its stated native resolution. However, regardless, this is is the world and reality today. Adobe is showing an extreme lack of vision.
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"It doesn't take much to strongly discern the difference..."
I strongly disagree for my own part. I can always tell the difference between any two monitors, hdpi or not, but the resolution is not the factor. The key criteria is to be able to read small text. And I can read small text when others can't. I appreciate hdpi for my smartphone and I have almost nothing against it for photo editing... even though it requires more hardware power (not negligible for Lightroom users).

Where you are wrong is that you believe that Adobe is not aware does not care and that your complaint may be useful to 'make them aware'. If you browse this forum, you'll find that the problem is known and taken seriously since at least four years. You may not believe that the root of the problem lies with Microsoft APIs and that they are working together to find a solution. But believing that you are disclosing the problem is a bit naive.

Nobody denies that the problem must be solved. It's not yet.
And in the meantime, reducing the screen resolution is a good solution.
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Reducing screen resolution is Not a good solution for led screens. You can seriously reduce their effective life when not run at their native resolution.

Four years in trying for a solution.....? Come on
...get real..
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In addition... for my setup - HP Spectre x360 with Win10, the small font sizes are in BOTH the Elements organizer and Elements editor. The 200% scaling blows it off the screen. I use Lightroom for my organizer/developer and the menu font sizes are fine.
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I've changed the display resolution on my monitor to 150%. Now the fonts look huge in my other programs and my Adobe Photoshop Elements 14 still has tiny fonts. I have a solution - uninstall it and go back to Elements 8 so my old eyes can read it without straining.