Lightroom Classic: Cataloging with rename

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I would like to make a suggestion for a future update of Lightroom Classic The feature would be able to rename and move files through Lightroom.
You can now select and delete files, but to rename and to move the original file on the hard drive through Lightroom would be quite a useful tool for file management. (There was a catalouguing program called iveiw that we used to use about 8 years ago that has been discontinued.)
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With LR Classic, you already can rename files & folders and you can move files & folders on disk.

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Roelof Moorlag

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Rename options are available with F2 and moving origials can be done in Folders panel (library view) however moving files is not considered as good file management practice. Why not leave the originals at their imported location and do the organizing part with the tools available in LrC like (smart) collections and (hierarchical kewords)?
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Because you may need to reclaim disk space, move files off a failing hard drive, etc.
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Roelof Moorlag

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Ok, temporarily yes but moving photo’s around the filesystem is not very suitable as permanent solution. Every time you touch a file there is risk of damaging it.
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Yes, renaming and moving is available but not in a really user friendly way. I had a suggestion for a more fully featured organization module: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/module-suggestion-organize

And I have say, if you love collections okay, but some do not. Some of us love our folder organizations and use Collections for different purposes. There is nothing wrong with using Folders, Collections, Keywords and any/all the rating/marking capabilities in your workflow!
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Everyone is free to do what they want with their files however moving them around on your filesystem is not considered as good DAM practice. Not only because of the risks i mentioned but also from organization perpective. Foe example, One photo can only resides in one folder and which one wil that be if it fits multiple criteria? Duplicate it? Adobe has giffen us real DAM tools in LR, why not using them? They want us to, thats why you have access to collections all the time but you have to switch to library view to get to the folders. That is how they designed it.
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Yes there is risk in moving files around the filesystem and that’s why it is not considered as good digital asset management practice. In most situations you would indeed not be in trouble but you can wait on that one moment. Why not comply to a good DAM practice?

Valid reasons for having multiple copies/versions of an image in different folders? Can you name one?
Derivatives can be created every moment you need them (again)

For a better undarstanding of this matter i can recomend the DAM book for photographers from Peter Krogh!
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Google translation....
Personally, I apply since the beginning of my use of LrC... 10 years now, the classification of my eccentrics and my pictures via following automatism: files: aaaa / aaaa-mm-jj and when I do not have space anymore enough on my disc destination, I clone it on a new broader disc, douvrnt with another technology of quicker access and I re-link it my files since LrC. It is the only time when I move files, Idem for files loaded since LR, I defined the importation in the same hierarchy of file. The classification by plan this fact through the groups of collections and collections. And especially at level maintenance and archiving, joint management is so greatly made easier. I also put the maintenances of the catalogue during the closing of LrC on the same disc, so a clone of the disc and it is good. It is so simple, then why to make in another way!



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Personnellement, j'applique depuis le début de mon utilisation de LrC... 10 ans maintenant, le classement de mes originaux et de mes images via l'automatisme suivant : dossiers  : aaaa/aaaa-mm-jj et quand je n'ai plus assez d'espace sur mon disque destination, je le clone sur un nouveau disque plus large, douvrnt avec une autre technologie d'accès plus rapide et j'y reconnecte mes dossiers depuis LrC. C'est la seule fois où je déplace les fichiers, Idem pour les fichiers chargés depuis LR, j'ai défini l'importation dans la même hiérarchie de dossier. Le classement par projet ce fait au travers des ensembles de collections et des collections. Et surtout au niveau sauvegarde et archivage, la cogérance est ainsi grandement facilitée. Je mets aussi les sauvegardes du catalogue lors de la fermeture de LrC sur ce même disque, ainsi un clone du disque et c'est bon. C'est tellement simple, alors pourquoi faire différemment !

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-Can you name one?

Print Masters at various sizes,
Print Masters edited for different printing processes, or inks, or papers, or service bureaus,
Different sized or cropped copies for screen licensing,
Copies sent for customer review with specific, required edits,
Customer's deliverables

to name a few. Have you ever sold an image? 
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I do not sell my pictures, but LrC allows to standardize your protocols of exits. They can very well create pence collections uniting impressions, uniting pictures intended for Mr X or Y etc.... Not to 'lose ' the parameters of development you create virtual copies etc a little of imagination and you will see, your discs will be less loaded. For deliveries of pictures, use the services of publications possibly.

Je ne vends pas mes images, mais LrC permet de standardiser vos protocoles de sorties. On peut très bien créer des sous collections réunissant les impressions, réunissant les images destinés à M. X ou Y etc.... Pour ne pas "perdre" les paramètres de développement vous créez des copies virtuelles etc... un peu d'imagination et vous verrez, vos disques seront moins chargés. Pour des livraisons d'images, utiliser les services de publications éventuellement.





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Print Masters at various sizes, Print Masters edited for different printing processes, or inks, or papers, or service bureaus, Different sized or cropped copies for screen licensing, Copies sent for customer review with specific, required edits, Customer's deliverables to name a few. Have you ever sold an image? 
My time is money and i don't want to lose it on my workflow. 
A folder based workflow and moving files around is efficient nor effective but if you exist on using it, be my guest.

There is no need for saving multiple copies of you images for most use cases you mentioned exept for those images that go through photoshop maybe. 
Lightroom does have some extraordinary tools like virtual copies, collections and publish services that allow you to speed up your workflow if you are willing to learn and to use them.

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