Revel: How will Revel handle metadata added in Lightroom?

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How will carousel handle metadata of Lightroom? E.g. when I change the metadata of a photo using my Lightroom on my mac, will me wife see the same metadata using her lightroom on her mac?

Thanks, Frank.
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Frank Dzaebel

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Hi Frank,

Adobe Carousel works independently from Adobe Lightroom in terms of metadata. Adobe Carousel will preserve metadata written into jpeg files by Lightroom but doesn't interact with it or allow you to change it currently. So what does this mean really, if you for example had written keywords into the file, uploaded a photo on your Mac desktop through Carousel and your wife downloaded the same jpeg to her desktop and imported it into Lightroom the keywords would still be there. Adjustments, ratings, keywords etc. are not interchangeable between the two programs at this point though.

Does that answer your question?

-Dave
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Does this mean that Carousel does not follow standards (IPTC and XMP) for metadata? If so, does it also mean that whatever metadata is added in Carousel can not be used outside Carousel?
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Jeffrey Tranberry, Sr. Product Manager, Digital Imaging

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It means that Carousel definitely follows IPTC and XMP standards and the metadata can be used outside of Revel.
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Good! But if so, how can they not be interchangeable? Ratings and keywords are stored in the metadata (ratings in XMP and keywords both IPTC and XMP).
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Jeffrey Tranberry, Sr. Product Manager, Digital Imaging

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The develop processes are different, but the IPTC and XMP are standard. (There's no standard for development process)
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I'm also confused by a statement above by David B...

"Adjustments, ratings, keywords etc. are not interchangeable between the two programs at this point though. "
But ratings, keywords, and other IPTC metadata are interchangeable, correct? Obviously, adjustments wouldn't be interchangeable.

Please clarify.
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Hi Jim,

When photos are imported into Adobe Carousel the metadata in the file remains part of the file even though Carousel doesn't utilize it. So one cannot edit the or change the metadata using Carousel and then send it back to Lightroom or Bridge and see a change. That help?

-Dave
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Jim Burgess

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Dave,
Thanks for the response. I've got it now. Jumping over to the Carousel section of this site helped as well. Since metadata cannot be edited in any way in Carousel, the need for synchronization isn't there.

kurka666's entry above -- "...whatever metadata is added in Carousel ..." helped lead to my confusion.

I would like to point out a statement on your product page that lends to the confusion, though:
"The same powerful photo-processing technology as Photoshop Lightroom".
Not really, since there is no capability to manage metadata. You really have to read between the lines, or ask here, to find out what the features really are. The product page is pretty lacking in specifics at this point.
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I totally agree with this - 60% of why I use Lightroom has to do with metadata. I am disappointed that Carousel won't allow editing of it.
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I am sorry, but I'm still confused. It is possible to keyword and rate photos in Carousel, right? At least that's my understanding of Jeffrey's answer above. If this is true, and Carousel follows IPTC/XMP standards and metadata added in Carousel can be used outside Carousel, then I do not understand why LR can not read them?

I am really looking forward to Carousel! Can hardly wait! :)
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Jim Burgess

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Actually, you cannot keyword and rate photos in Carousel. See this in the Carousel section of this site:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
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Thank you. I wasn't aware of this. Too bad - metadata is very important. Basically the only way to find and sort photos. But I hope the next release will have this in place.
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Me too. My "family workflow" currently is to add keywords to our pictures using Lightroom. The big problem always is that I have got my MacBookPro, my wife has got her MacBook, we do also use iPhone and iPad. So what is missing is a well synchronized photo library for all of the devices. We try to solve this problem using a central file storage but this is not very satisfying and of course this is no solution for iPad and iPhone.

Before this discussion here I thought that carousel is a cloud service that will be used by LightRoom and other Adobe Products but now I see that carousel is a new product. So all in all for me one thing is clear: I will have to test carousel to see what new features it will bring. Maybe sometime in future we won't have to use LightRoom anymore...? We are not so professional, but keywording is a MUST HAVE for a large photo library, in my eyes.

So...I am really looking forward to carousel. I hope it will fit my needs. If keywords are not included in the first release, well I hope it will be added soon.

Thanks!

Frank.

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