Lightroom: Capture time photo ordering seems not working correctly (LR4)

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Hi,

I've merged my 4 previous catalogs (3 in 3.6 and one test in Beta LR4) within a unique LR4 library in order to make my workflow eaisier and edit books with pictures of different origins.

The global performance is good despite the size of the pictures (average 45MB, I'm a MF photographer), their number (>23 000) and the relative low perf of my PC (dual core, 2G).

LR4 crashes from time to time (and sometime I've to reboot my PC), but I've never lost any data or work (after relaunch & data-base optimization, everything works fine again.

Currenty, 80% of my workload is to date the scanned pictures (15000 taken between 1914 & 2003), set the capture time in the catalog, update the metadata and move the file within a hierachical file-sytem (Year, Month, day) for futur use. I'm doing all this stuff with LR4 (no direct action on the Windows-file system.

It looks like the "Capture time ordering" doesn't works either in:
- the "All Photograph"
- the files folders (lower level and groups)
- the collection

That is almost a "killing bug" as:
1 - I cannot verify the historical flow by fitering with Keywords
2 - I would not loose all my work at the next upgrade.

Regards,
Benoit PETOT
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For images that don't have capture times in their metadata and for which you haven't set a capture time in the catalog, LR 3 and 4 show inconsistent dates/times and sort inconsistently:

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

(This is a long-standing bug that unfortunately wasn't fixed in LR 4.)

So double-check whether you've set the capture times on the images that aren't sorted properly.
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It remains for the OP to confirm if incorrect sort order only affects images with no capture time yet set.
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It looks like if all my images have a capture time:
- The Digital have the time of the camera clock (sometime handly edited)
- The scanned ones have the time of the scaning.

It looks like if the photos imported within the large catatog from a previous one dedicated to scanned images have had their camture time changed to the new-import.

When I display "all photo" in capture time order, som of of these reimported photos appear at the begining and the others at the end (for a similar capture time).

I hope that I don't risk to loose the time-stamping (23500 images at stake). Even if I've backuped everything before uprgrading to LR4, it is still a lot of work.
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It sounds like you could be encountering the same bug. But it is worth digging in further, to make sure we understand what the problem and workaround are (and possibly post a new bug report to Adobe). Some questions:

- When you say you "imported" from the previous catalog into the new one, how did you do that? Did you do File > Import Photos to import the photos directly, or did you upgrade the LR 3 catalog to an LR 4 catalog (e.g. by doing File > Open), and then do File > Import From Another Catalog? Or some other method?

There are a number of date/time fields that LR uses to represent cature time. Could you pick one of the scans and report back with each of the following for both the LR 3 catalog and the LR 4 catalog:

- the date/time that appears with the thumbnail in grid view;

- in the Metadata panel, Default view, the date/time in the Capture Time field.

- in Windows Explorer, the Created and Modified dates of the file (right-click the file and do Properties).
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Hi John,
It's a pretty long story and if you want details don't hesitate to send a mail. Moreover I'm a hobbyist and I'll do more tries this WE. But in short:

I had 4 catalogs:
- 3 were LR3
- 1 was a new-one created for betaLR4

When I upgraded for LR4 official, I changed all my LR3 catalogs in 4 (one for each), backuped them & tested.

Then I choiced my "more significant catalog" and imported the other ones by the function "import as catalog".

I've set the capture-time as a displayed in the gridview and it looks like this time is exactly the same as the time of the Metadata panel. I've checked for a few photos of each type (digital, digital with capture time edited, scanned and scanned edited) but I cannot garanty that this is OK for my 23000 pictures.

I'll check the windows "date" tonnight.

I hope that this help,
Regards, Benoit
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Hi,
I've checked some pictures wrongly ordered.
The "grid-view" and metadata capture time are identical but they are diffrenet from the windows date:
- the "modified date is good for day, month & year, but wrong for minute & hoor (second isn't disyplayed)
- the creation date is wrong for day (-1), goodfor year & montf but all wrong for minutes & hiur.

If that can help, I use LR in English on top of the french release of windows.

BTW: I'm now in 4.1