LR4: Can't copy photo to another folder

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Hello,
I cannot copy a photo from a folder to another inside LR4.
I also tried making a virtual copy, then split stacking, then move the copy but FAIL again.
Why on earth is it so difficult to copy a file? Holding Ctrl down while dragging does not work either.
So only way is find the original in Eplorer, rename, re-import the file, Sync settings from the old file, rename back ...
But I have lots of files to be copied :-((
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john beardsworth

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Try using collections, and also keywords, instead of folders to group pictures. A single photo can exist in many collections.Think of folders in terms of the physical safe-keeping of your pictures - best use of disc space, certainty of backup, ease of restoration.
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I do use collections, I do use keywords infact I use them a lot.
I am a professional photographer.
When I need to copy a full folder to my portable drive I want to open the explorer and copy the folder,
Collections is a proprietary way of grouping pictures.
if LR fails to load, or if LR looses access to its catalog I am making a noose around my neck and byebye
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Export allows you to copy a folder to your portable drive, and there's an "Add to Catalog" tick box.

Another option might be to Export as Catalog, and include the "negatives". This would copy the images in their folder structure.
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georgekalogeris

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That's exactly what I use to maintain small catalogs along with their corresponding folders.
So YOU AGREE that real folders are more needed than virtual collections or rating or color coding or whatever way LR has to group objects.

That's why I need to copy masters from one folder to another

Is this a problem or not?
Since a user is used to copy OR move files from a folder to another in Explorer
I find it frustrating to move BUT NOT copy in LR4
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No, I don't really agree. I just chose to offer specific ideas for dealing with a requirement for extra folders.

I'm probably more comfortable about collections being proprietary, although I do tend to use dumb collections on the assumption that they would be lost in any LR catastrophe (ie when not even backups are any use). For longer term grouping I rely on smart collections because they are powered by non-proprietary metadata and could be reconstructed elsewhere - certainly much better in Aperture - if LR were to die. So I do always handle grouping with metadata, and use folders only for physical storage, backup etc.

I suspect the problem with Ctrl dragging within LR is that it's highly probable that too many people would use it for the wrong reasons. For instance, they might not figure out that VCs might be what they need, or they might prefer real copies because they're paranoid that VCs don't write metadata to xmp. So you end up giving people a different noose to hang themselves, and still not doing anything to resolve the conflict between VCs which are visible and Snapshots which save to xmp but are invisible.
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I'm sorry, but as a pro, you should always be looking for ways to manage your workflow better than a directory full of artefacts.

Lightroom has an amazing collection of tools that allow you to do exactly what you are looking for, and few of them require or depend on one of the worst ways to organize data: in a hierarchy of file objects.

From your comments it looks like you want to create a publish service to a local drive. There are also plugins that allow you to make a parallel directory structure of everything in your library. You can even have it publish to the removable media so you don't have to copy anything.

But, the hard facts are that digital artefact management is always going to do more than maintain a directory of files.
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Well, I try to keep things simple.
In a catalog of 150k images it is very easy to get lost and even easier to make mistakes.
I recall some situations where renaming would skip some numbers due to VC existence, then my client purchased wrong numbers from the web gallery and I ended up with many lost euros...
You may find it childish to use folders in 2012 but you have to remember that it is the most well known and familiar way of organizing. Even a kid could manage them. Even a client that thinks like a kid.

Well my main complaint is not about the usefulness of folders. I told you I do use collections, VCs, colours, rating, publishing etc.
I just want to copy a file without opening Explorer or ACDSee, that's all. And I find it very frustrating that an IMAGE ORGANIZER cannot copy files (but CAN MOVE them)

As a final solution I will try publish service to a local drive (what an irony) although I suspect I will have renaming problems since the originals still lie on physical folders
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Ok I have a suggestion:
In the same menu that says: "Swap Virtual with Master"
it would be useful to have another option "Make Master out of Virtual"
So people would be forced to make VCs even if they want real copies.
Also an exclamation mark would appear saying
"Adobe suggests that you don't make Master Copies"

I am aware of the obsession Adobe shows to VCs,
perhaps there are expensive patents behind them
Nevertheless, it is a very clever option..
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Other software has similar features - variants in CaptureOne, versions in Aperture
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Other software has similar features - variants in CaptureOne, versions in Aperture

Just out of curiosity
I tried Capture One Pro.
It does allow Ctrl+Drag=Copy Files.
So I ll stick to that software, thanks for suggesting..
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There are better reasons for preferring C1.