Can't expand crop area in Lightroom

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Very often it's impossible to expand crop area. So serious issue exists for years! Approximate steps to reproduce the issue:

1. Rotate image by ~10o.
2. Crop image.
3. Move cropped area.
4. Try to expand it. Try every corner. Some corners won't work even when there is enough space for that!

Please fix the issue on the next update. It's almost impossible to work with rotation and cropping at the same time.
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Can you show a screenshot of the image exhibiting this issue, complete with rotated crop please. The engineers will need more information to reproduce this issue.
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Not the best sample but it shows the issue. Can't expand crop area using both upper corners. You can see that there is enough space above the left top corner. It doesn't depend on the size of that space. It can be more than 50% of the image.

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Extending the top left corner won't work because you're bumping the bottom left edge (as far as I can see). Extending the top right corner won't work because you're bumping the bottom edge with the bottom right corner, and because of the angle, the right hand side can't go any further.

I do agree that it should be possible to slide along the maximum edges in these scenarios, but I think it's probably a feature request rather than a bug.
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As I ALREADY told I don't bumping anything! You can see several pixels there. It can be 2000 pixels. I just have sample with small amount of pixels right now. You can reproduce the issue with 2000 pixels left until you bump the edge.

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By the way I saw the issue with hundreds and thousands pixels left at least 100 times. For example, you have small cropping area on the center of the image. A lot of space near EVERY corner. But you can expand only 2 of them.
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Right top corner must be expandable. But it's not. Sorry about left top corner - my mistake.
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By the way, I can move the cropping area to the up and right and then expand left bottom corner. The result will be the same as you expand the right top corner (that's not expandable). So, there is enough space for sure. I always able to find working corner and expand the area by moving it and using another corner instead. But it's very inconvenient work around. You never know what corner has a bug and what works.
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Moving the top right corner will move the top and right edges... but the right edge can't move because the bottom of the right edge is hitting the bottom edge. If the ratio is unlocked, you'll be able to move the middle of the top edge, from your screenshot, but not the others, because the others are all hitting edges.
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OK, you are right. Sorry. That's bad sample. That was just my current working image. I'll show you correct sample later.
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But this sample shows user inconvenience as well. I agree that's not the described issue. But the described issue exists for sure as well.
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Yep, I agree, i think it's working as designed (unless you can find another example), but the way it's designed leaves far too much room for confusion. It still trips me up at times too.
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Please treat the current post as feature request. I hope you understand the correct sense in it: it would be better to move cropping area automatically when you expanding it and your corner has enough space but another corner doesn't have it.
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I changed this topic to a feature request and forked the CropAngle bug as a separate problem topic.
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I reproduced the initially described issue!



Can't expand the right bottom corner. As you see the angle is 0.00. What I did for that? I rotated the image and then rotated it back to 0.00. Maybe it's something like 0.000000000000001 and it doesn't work. But user see that it's 0.00 and it should work!
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Separate bug.

Please reference the new conversation here: Lightroom: Can't expand crop size when displayed crop angle is 0.00
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You've precisely identified the bug: After rotating, LR has set the internal setting CropAngle to a value less than 0.005.  The angle displays as 0.00, but the non-zero internal angle prevents you from fully adjusting the size of the crop.

Here's a screen capture illustrating the bug: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21811200/crop-bug.2017.06.30.mov. At the end, I show that the internal CropAngle value is 0.001337, which gets rounded to 0.00 in the Crop tool.

The workaround is simple, once you know it: Either double-click on the slider pointer, or click on the numeric angle and type 0 followed by return.
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You should round angles less than 0.005 to 0. Also please move cropping area on expanding if user is trying to expand a corner with enough space.
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Reply to separate bug.

Please reference the new conversation here: Crop angle bug
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Nice example that demonstrates wrong logic of resizing feature at the current moment:



I can't expand left bottom corner. It's really not obvious why. You shouldn't explain it to me - but you should do that to millions of your users...
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Unfortunately, no Adobe employee has responded to this yet.
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Dmitry,
Your image (food on plate)- There is no wrong logic.
You cannot drag the left-lower corner down because the right-lower corner is already touching the image boundary, AND because you have the crop ratio LOCKED.
Having the ratio LOCKED means that any movement of the corner must move BOTH left and lower edges of the crop frame.

If you un-lock the ratio 'padlock' you will be able to then drag the left-lower corner only to the left, but never down unless you pull the right crop frame edge away from the edge of the image.
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It would be better to save aspect ratio but move cropped area to the left.
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Robert, Dmitry is making a feature request to change the current behavior.
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I agree with Victoria and Dmitry, the current behavior surprises me too sometimes.  

While waiting for Adobe to change this, a simple workaround for the food-on-plate example is to drag the upper-left corner when the lower-left corner gets stuck. That has the effect of moving the crop area to the left.
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The arrow keys move the crop area up and down and left and right too. In the plate example, you can shift the crop area to the left (with the right arrow key), then expand the left bottom corner until one of the bottom corners bumps the boundary again.