Lightroom: Canon EOS DX Mark II Image quality in Lightroom

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Compared with images downloaded using the canon DPP4 the same image in Lightroom is softened and the highlights burnt out. My software is up to date. There appears to be some form of post processing in lightroom as the image visibly deteriorates at the final update in the develop module. Images downloaded by canon soft ware and imported into LR suffer the same fate. I
have uploaded two crops made as identical as possible from the same Image. I have done no post processing. The top image is LR the bottom Canon. Is this a problem I can resolve as in LR or is it just inferior software produced by LR.
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Keith Regan

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  • Let down by what is supossedly the best available software.

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What camera profile are you using in Lightroom?
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Keith Regan

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I am using Adobe standard.Process 2012  Current. Are you able to help with my query. I really Don't want a champion critiquing my snapshot of my cat which I just took to demonstrate the point I was making.. I just want to be able to take the picture I take from the camera to be imported into light room and process it to my satisfaction rather than lightroom modifying it into something I don't want it to be. I am just expecting LR to work with my equipment not make editorial decisions for me which at the moment I cant reverse.
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What Steve says below is correct. Adobe Standard is just a different starting point (develop formula using ingredients in Adobe's raw engine) to build your edits on top of. If you want a look that's more similar to the starting point to your camera, use one of the Canon profiles. More details here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/color-faq.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/adjust-color-rendering-camera-camera.html
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/08/the_dng_profile_editor_whats_it_all_about.html
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I am using Adobe standard.Process 2012  Current.
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The camera uses overaggressive sharpening and over-aggressive noise-reduction leading to either extra-sharp hairs or hair-detail removed entirely.  There is no detail in the black area above the eyes in the camera version.   There is a blotchiness in the detail in the gray hairs under the eye at the right.  There is slightly more detail in some of the lightest hairs on the nose.

The LR image has more detail in the shadows and very slightly less in the highlights.  

You can change the camera profile to something other than Adobe Standard if you want to have a different contrast curve.

I much prefer the LR version as the detail is more even, but if you want the wild swings in sharpness vs no-detail then use the camera or Canon software.
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Hi Steve It appears you are saying take it or leave it not the preferred service response I was looking for. I have the picture style in the camera set to fine detail. The reason for this is to capture detail when I photograph insects. I had no problems with my 1Dx and lightroom yet with  an improved body it is not good enough.  Would it not be appropriate for Lightroom to work with the equipment rather than against it. It would appear that Canon have to meet your restricted vision of how images should appear. A little unrealistic on your part.  Is there anyone who has a little more knowledge and understanding who might be able to give me a more satisfactory response.
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The difference between Adobe processing and Canon processing has always been the way you're seeing, too much sharpening and too much noise-reduction by the camera.   It's been this way since I had the first digital rebel up until your camera that is several tiers better and a decade newer.

LR starts with the raw data.  You control the rest.  You can set custom defaults for LR if you want the default processing to be different for that body, so it's hardly take-it-or-leave-it if you are in control.   What else do you want us to say?  

The improved body may have a higher resolution sensor and as such you may have surpassed the lens sharpness compared to previous bodies with lower resolution sensors.  That would be once difference that the camera may compensate for with different sharpening radius and strength, both of which you can control in LR.

The only thing better than the camera-processing is doing is the sharpness of the brightest hairs on the nose, everything else is worse than LR.  Maybe you don't see it due to your monitor being calibrated differently or maybe it's no important that there's no shadow detail or half the gray hairs are lost to noise-reduction.  I don't know.

If you'd like someone to play with the image to see if they can improve on it, upload it to www.dropbox.com and post a public download link, here. 
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Dear Mr Arrogant you are so totally self obsessed your thoughts and opinions are of no use to me . I have no desire for anyone else to improve the picture, you totally missed the point. would you please leave this matter to someone with a little more understanding of the point I am making.
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Fact:  Adobe rendering and Canon rendering won't be the same.  They can't be, as each is starting with the same raw data but using proprietary processing known only to their respective companies.  Making changes to settings in camera won't affect Adobe processing. 

Your Opinion:   LR makes inferior software.

My Opinion:  Adobe rendering is better is most ways, which I have specifically detailed, but I am very familiar with Adobe rendering and have always disliked the Canon rendering.

Specific points you raised - explanation/action(s) to take:

LR does post-processing that changes the look of the image - the Canon rendering being replaced by Adobe rendering is normal behavior.  The initial view you see is the camera-embedded JPG preview.  Once LR computes the image from the raw data using it's own algorithms and default settings, you see the Adobe rendering.

Highlights are too bright/blown - change to a different camera profile, make adjustments in LR, set different LR defaults for Basic Toning sliders instead of zeros if you prefer a different look for most images.

Image is soft - change the sharpening and/or noise-reduction parameters.  If you find most images work better with a particular settings, set the new sharpening parameters as the new LR default.
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The picture style setting may be what causes this. In principle, picture styles do not affect a raw file at all, only jpeg (I assume you are shooting in raw). However, Canon DPP can probably read the picture style and apply it to its initial raw settings, while Lightroom can't. That's why you see the differences: DPP already applied some post processing and Lightroom did not. It shouldn't be too hard to correct the image in Lightroom so that you do get more detail in the highlights, but you have to do it manually with the Highlights and Whites sliders.
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I use camera neutral profile only, because I don't like the adobe standard profile, nor the landscape profiles or whatever adobe has cooked for me. Camera neutral gives a starting point from which you can enhance a lot to your liking, without having to revert back from changes another has decided to apply to your imported RAW picture.
But I'm sure there must be photographers who prefer the Adobe profiles as a starting point.
Just find the way you like it best, and proceed from there.
BTW I'm on Nikon, and I've also heard people say the prefer the output they get from Nikon Capture NX software. I have both, but I can manage LR to get the output I want. It all comes down to finding out the workflow that suits you.