Camera Raw: Can not save CR Defaults using 2010 process

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I wish to save a Camera RAW setting set using the 2010 Process (now called V2) as the Camera RAW Default. Camera RAW will not do this. For new images it reverts to V5 or (2012 depending on which version of CR) with the point curve, exposure, contrast, and black settings changed as well. Is this a bug? A "feature"? New Defaults stick if the V5 Process is used and I can apply my saved setting set (which uses the 2010 Process), but I cannot save it as the Default. Any suggestions to work around this?

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David
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Camera Raw: Reproduction Process.

Hello,

There was no response here to my 2010/V2 Process question so am adding some background and a request. I work in the cultural heritage imaging field. There are standards for "objective" tonal and color accuracy for this work. Links provided below for those who are interested. Achieving an objective tonal response with post 2010 Process versions in Camera RAW is not possible. You can get close with a combination of dramatic adjustments to contrast, exposure, whites, blacks, and the point curve but never right on. Also making these adjustments throws off the color reproduction. (I am also creating my own DCP profiles.) There is built in highlight compression that is impossible to compensate for. The 2010/V2 Process does not have this issue. A linear point curve and "0" for the General settings is perfect. No fuss needed. These settings with a custom profile produce a very accurate starting point. Is there any interest at Adobe in supporting this type of work with an updated Process version that has the "objective" 2010 tonal response? I am happy to supply more information and samples if helpful.

Thank You.

http://www.digitizationguidelines.gov/guidelines/digitize-technical.html

https://www.metamorfoze.nl/english/digitization
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It sounds like what you want is scene referred instead of output referred and as you've noted, this is possible with older PV's (following these suggestions from the ICC: http://www.color.org/scene-referred.xalter

Based on the installed user base, I suspect Adobe believes few would  benefit from scene referred with newer PV's so it might be difficult (and maybe technically not possible) to provide this in newer PVs but what they might as you is this: why not just use the older PVs as described above? I think your request would go father in getting engineering support for your request if you can answer that question. 

You should be able to continue "Assigning" older PV's to newer raw images with a preset. Or by applying this to one image, then using the "Save New Camera Raw Defaults". 


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We are looking into some solutions down the road to help with this type of workflow but at this time, the behavior is as-designed and Defaults are limited to the most current Process Version. 
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Assigning the preset works fine but it will not take a a default.
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Sounds like a bug David. It should. The behavior as designed makes no sense to me.
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Hi Rikk,

Thanks for confirming. There are many users in the museum and library community that would appreciate support for this workflow. The 2010 Process works well but is missing some of the newer functionality and perhaps there are other under the hood improvements as well. The linear tonal response is needed though. FYI, I export to eciRGB v2 so appreciate the support for a wider range of color space profiles.
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You should be able to export to any RGB ICC profile; what's the issue with eciRGB?
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No problem. That was a thanks! There was bug a while back that was fixed. (actual a feature removal and restoration)
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