Camera Raw 12.3: How to revert UI to older version, one with vertical filmstrip?

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after updating photoshop , when i opened it for the first time there was option to use camera raw as it is (vertical film) or to change it to new UI (with new look and horizontal filmstrip ), i just clicked new UI to see how it looks , i thought if i dont like it i will just go back to using older UI but there is no option to select older UI , i contacted adobe but person who was helping me just suggested that i should install older version of camera raw or ask for help from this forum , i found it bit frustrating that if there was simple option to choose new UI so why not give option to revert back to older UI with newly updated software. maybe its bug or adobe forcing people to use new UI even if they dont like it
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Something that Adobe forget to address amidst the "great" redesign is scaling. ACR has always been and unfortunately still is completely unusable when Windows scaling is set to 150%. ACR windows get so big that it does not fit the screen. 
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Here’s why the UI of the latest version of #CameraRaw is a mess. There is a confusion as some sliders are similar and there is no clear separation between group of features.


Also, instead of keeping all tools that were previously directly available on the toolbar, now some are hidden in sub panels, forcing the user to click more to access them.



You tell me to reinstall v12.2.1 to use the previous version of the UI. But Camera Raw 12.2.1 does not load anymore in Bridge 2020 v10.1 even if I restart my Mac. But it loads in Bridge CC2018.

Here’s #CameraRaw 12.2.1 in Bridge CC2018 where ALL the primary tools can be selected straight away. And no, it is not an issue if they’re in the upper left corner, they’re even closer to the image. Putting them in the upper right corner is a mistake.



And when I start to edit photos, I usually go to 3 places: Lens, Details, Basic settings. 1 click, 2nd click, 3rd click. With the new UI, I need to scroll and find the set of features as they are not clearly separated.
Bad UI, bad UX, bad decision.






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branislavmilic this is clearly a business decision by Adobe to change the UI than better design as you have clearly demonstrated. This new UI design causes the user to make 5 times as many actions to get the same things done. If you are working several thousand images in a day can amount to tens of thousands of extra clicks mousing and scrolling.

Having to roll back to previous versions has been a disaster. It's as if the old versions for download were poorly coded beta versions not meant for the public.

Here are ACR 12.3 and ACR 12.2.1



The compact and efficient icon tab bar is now replaced by a word based menu scroll bar system which takes up the entire window. This is being pushed as a modern interface that gives the user more flexibility. Just checking all the settings before was a mouse click mouse click mouse click... that has now become mouse click mouse  scroll mouse click - mouse click mouse scroll mouse click - mouse click mouse scroll mouse click etc.
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I am not opposed to changes, if the changes maintain similar, or brings better, ease of operation and workflow efficiency, and ideally more functionality.

I don’t inherently dislike the change to collapsing side panels from previous tabbed panels, but perhaps some hybrid where the tiny vertical side toolbar is moved to above the panels, similar to where the icon tabs were located in the previous version, under the Histogram, thereby minimizing the distance traveled to reach tools, and still using the muscle memory of going to that area to select tools/panels?

And then of course, fix all the other bugs & quibbles raised in this thread ;).

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Another thing I just realized- I worked on an image in Camera Raw, lastly using the Geometry panel, opened it into Photoshop, did some work, and closed the image. Then I opened a totally new image, but Camera Raw defaults to opening the Geometry panel for some reason, not the Basic panel as the last version did (and I would want it to, since for just about every image I would start working in the Basic panel, but I would never want to start in the Geometry panel- 99% of the images I never even open that panel). I tried selecting other panels, then opening images, and each time, the subsequent image opened to the last panel used.

However, if I use the Adjustment Brush, then the next image opened does indeed default to the Basic panel.

Previously, when new images were opened, it defaulted to the Basic adjustments. Is there a setting hidden somewhere I may have missed? I have preferences set to Solo Mode, BTW.

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Did you see my post about bugs with the Local Adjustment tool and Wacom tablets?
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During my Raw Photography trainings, people are surprised why I will cover Bridge, Camera Raw, and then Lightroom. “You"ll see...” I tell them. 
  1. When I have finished a day of shooting, I copy first all the photos in a folder on the Desktop. 
  2. Then I make a first selection in Bridge with stars and labels. Why I need to add hundreds of files in Lightroom's database if it is to remove 90% at the end?
  3. Then I edit all my photos in Camera Raw, simply because the UI is faster.
  4. Sometimes I do a roundtrip in Photoshop.
  5. Then, when I have finished developing, I apply metadata. 
  6. Finally, I add everything in Lightroom just for the archive. 
This is the moment where I show them how to develop in Lightroom.

After a few exercices, I ask them:
— “Where do you prefer to develop? In Camera Raw or in Lightroom?”
— My attendees say “Camera RAW”.
— Me: “Why?” 
Attendees: “More efficient, easier UI.”

We are talking here about the tabbed horizontal set of features organized by categories. 

There you go Adobe. 
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Photoshop is far better than Lr....
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Please go back to the former UI in RAW 12.3!.

The way I used to work in RAW is totally gone with the new 12.3 version. Please please please use the former UI for this new version. Then I can find everything quick again for my workflow. Now I have to search, click, click, click etc. I temporarry are back in 12.2.1 that works fine!!
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So, after countless hours of fumbling with 12.3, and attempting to revert with the illusion of success, only to find lost thumbnails after reboot,  I've finally gotten my workflow back by dropping ACR back to 12.2.1 and also reverting Bridge back one iteration to 10.0.4.157 ... After system reboot all is well! Please Adobe: listen to your power users, acknowledge the monumental fail of 12.3, and fix it!! I will be monitoring these forums for an acceptable fix before ever allowing another version upgrade to Bridge or ACR. After well over a decade of use it would sadden me to have to abandon Adobe but I'll not be forced into such a backwards move.
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My thoughts exactly.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Adobe Camera Raw 12.3.

Why did Adobe change the ACR user interface to the cluttered and inefficient Lightroom Develop Module style?

More clicks and moving around the screen with this "improved" user interface.  I can see how Lightroom users would like this, but those of use that use Bridge / ACR tend to find it clunky and less efficient that the old interface. 

It would be nice to have an option for the old style user interface. Far more white space, larger font and larger controls made sense. 
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Put back the old UI and throw away the latest one as it's the perfect example of what not to do in UX/UI. 
Before you even definitively erase the code and assets of this UI, make some souvenir screenshots to use them for a course about failed UX/UIs.

Thank you.
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branislavmilic let's hope Adobe restores the better GUI. I think many users are like myself they purchased the yearly subscription to the Photography bundle for $119 only for the use of Photoshop and ACR through Bridge instead of the standalone Photoshop yearly subscription of $239.

This is so tragic of a direction Adobe is taking I may just give up photography.
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This is so tragic of a direction Adobe is taking I may just give up photography.
Seriously? 

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Sad but true. Fortunately I can live without photography as an option.
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Fred Baxter:  That would be like forsaking eating because you didn't like the farmer down the road...
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So with all the many options out there, you'd rather give up photography because a company chose a UI that is not to your liking? I guess Adobe made you got into photography in the first place. If that's the case, farewell. If you do love photography, then many options exist. 
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Well I suppose photography isn't very important OR Fred doesn't know there are many other options for processing raw files. Whatever.... 
The only thing complaining does is convince other people that you are not in control.” Anonymous
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Andrew Rodney: I like that quote!
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Sad but true. Fortunately I can live without photography as an option.
Not sad at all considering photography meant that little to you.
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The other options out there are 10 times worse than Adobes modern UI in ACR 12.3. I am certain I can live without photography.

Look if you are happy with an interface that functions like you are shopping online at Walmart or Target and Best Buy then you are tinkled pink with the new ACR UI.
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Fred Baxter:  No matter where you go, there will always be change. Those that adapt and evolve are survivors, those that do not....
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You're confusing me even more.. if the other options are 10 times worse, then why are you complaining about something that's 10 times better? And again, if editing your pics are that paramount, then photography wasn't for you in the first place as it seems like the carriage is carrying the horse. 
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It appears that our Andrew loves to use quotations to justify his rather nasty demeanor against fellow forum members.
It's a pity there is no block or ignore feature so we don't have to read comments that provide zero value to any such topic.

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It appears that our Andrew loves to use quotations to justify his rather nasty demeanor against fellow forum members.
It's a pity there is no block or ignore feature so we don't have to read comments that provide zero value to any such topic.

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I'm pleased to see that I can get ACR 12.2 back and that the same user interface is also shown when calling up the Camera Raw Filter.  

My main concern is that this will only be a temporary solution as once I upgrade my camera, only the newer version of ACR will support the newer camera body.  Hopefully there will be a better, long term fix.
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No, you'll simply have to download an updated DNG converter and use the old version.
But better would be for all the camera manufacturers to STOP making proprietary raw files with ever new camera release. Not necessary and only causes customers and people coding raw converters (ALL companies not just Adobe) to have to update their software to understand tiny changes from the last camera released. 
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Manfred Mueller you can always either shot DNG files straight from the camera if you can or convert any brand RAW file to DNG for continued use of the better GUI ACR. Older versions of ACR will see DNG files.

What is sad is how the icon bar has room for more icons at least three. I always wondered what new features and functionality those future icons might bring. Instead it was replaced with an exponential amount of added mouse click scroll mouse click user actions.
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Perhaps, Andrew you can lobby all the camera makers? You could be useful then.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Major Camera Raw issues.

I have used the new Photoshop and Camera Raw for the first time in anger today at a football match. I was really looking forward to using the version but, it's actually not as user friendly as I was hoping. I much prefer the old version.

Now, it has crashed and I cannot get it working. I urgently need to remove it and install an older version.

How can I remove Ps and ACR and install the previous version? 


Thanks for your help

 
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I urgently need to remove it and install an older version.
It's found here:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html

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You need also to reverse back Bridge. In the Adobe Creative Cloud Desktop app, click on the three dots in the Bridge box > Other versions > and download 10.0.4.
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Jon: MUCH has already been written on this forum about this topic. I suggest doing a search on the top of the Photoshop Family page, try various ways to phrase it; you will get answers quickly that way.
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Here is a link to an excellent two hour long class on the changes made in 21.2 / other parts of Adobe's June update. It is by Ben Wilmore, who is an excellent instructor. I think that review of this material might be helpful for understanding the changes wrought in that Update, many of which have apparently caused considerable anguish!

https://mastersacademy.com/course/june2020updates/
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It appears you need to be a member to view the video.
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It is well worth the price. What did you pay for text books in school? Were they free?
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Mine were free Dave......
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Reposting so there are specific rollback instructions on each page of this growing thread...

HOW TO ROLLBACK ACR 12.2 TO 12.2.1

  1. Download the Adobe Camera Raw 12.2.1 installer here: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html
  2. Run the installer (you can uninstall 12.3 if you like, but shouldn't need to)
Some have been able to use the latest release of Adobe Bridge (10.1) with ACR 12.2.1. Others, including me, found that Bridge 10.1 was a little wonky once ACR was rolled back. 

(Maybe a restart would help, or maybe you want to mess with getting them working together. I just wanted to be back in business again so I rolled back both apps.)


So here's how to rollback Adobe Bridge to the previous release as well...

  1. Open Creative Cloud on your computer
  2. Scroll down to Adobe Bridge
  3. Click the "3 little dots" next to the (Open) button
  4. Click "Other Versions"
  5. Under "Older Versions" find "Bridge (10.0.4)" and click "Install"
That should put you squarely back into your preferred workflow with Bridge and ACR both running the last known "good" release.

Remember not to "Update All" with the next round of releases :-) 
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Interesting how criticisms on other boards - specifically replies to Adobe's hired gun "bloggers" - are being blocked and removed, while the authors (pretty much to a person) say absolutely NOTHING about the problems that are creating a tidal wave of backlash against Adobe for the ACR 12.3 debacle.

Strangely enough, I've found quite a few ACR 12.3 "preview" articles on the web, but NONE of them (that I can find) gave any type of "heads up" on the UI and workflow problems. Rather, and quite coincidentally, it seems ALL of the pre-release information is basically the same, and extremely similar to Adobe's official release information. 

Sure, I get it... the hired guns and sponsored gurus are just towing the line, regurgitating paid propaganda and cashing their checks. But real "photography" sites and bloggers should be ashamed of themselves for NOT being independent, reliable voices in the market.

I'm a single individual and working designer / photographer, paying a lot of money for the Adobe Creative Cloud subscription. I have a right to be VERY MAD about being blind-sided like this by a software company that I literally depend upon for my livelihood.
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Because the usual Freelance Adobe Evangelists are
1. Not real life user of ACR
2. Sellouts.

If they dare to say something contrary or negative about an Adobe app, they will not receive all the advantages linked to their status.
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You are so right. A few years ago I was this kind of freelance Adobe Evangelists for InDesign. I decided to quit just because my dignity and honesty were at stake. Adobe was making a lot of bad decisions for InDesign and the overall attitude of the company started to piss me off. I was an exception, many submitted to Adobe just to keep some advantages.
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Some of you are apparently new here. Adobe has a LONG history of making UI changes that upset everyone and their brother.
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David Converse: New here (not at all new to Adobe) simply because this change has created off-the-charts upset/pissed off reaction, infinitely more than those previous you mention.
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Adobe does have a long history. Of changing GUI and other areas of the software.
Learn to use the new methods or revert to the older version; move on. Those are the only two options that are effective other than complaining which will get you NOWHERE.
Pre-Release spent a lot of time making suggestions about the GUI. LONG before anyone here posted their opinions. The ship has sailed. 

As to so called 'off the charts pissed off reactions, easy to cherry pick reactions praising the GUI. 

"Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining". -Mason Cooley
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Andrew Rodney: "Those are the only two options" -- No, fortunately this is not true, as the free market provides other options. As an extensive user of Topaz PS plugins (and decades-long user of Adobe PS), I for one have been tempted in the past to move to the free Topaz Studio (one of the few viable options that include layers, which I an a heavy user of in PS). Up to now the only thing stopping me from making the switch is the time required for the learning curve to develop the proficient work flow that I have developed with Bridge/ACR. For now, I have reverted to prior Bridge/ACR versions, but this is only a temporary fix. If Adobe fails to listen to the outcry of disgust with this new version, and forces that same time-intensive learning curve to try to regain proficiency with their new UI, I have absolutely no problem using that time to learn the Topaz system and cancel the Adobe subscription.
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Yes Alan you can use another product (hence ”move on”).
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I use some of the Topaz products. The only thing is that Topaz Support will ignore help requests worse than my cat ignores requests... I gave up on Topaz support; if I cannot figure out something myself, I just move on...
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Kevin Layman the strangest thing with the third party sites pushing this new ACR UI are the comments respondents are saying how great that ACR is now like LightRoom that they can stop using LightRoom altogether. Adobe unwittingly are killing the use of LightRoom.

Who should really be upset are people with standalone Photoshop subscriptions. They clearly wanted nothing to do with LightRoom. I only started a yearly Photography subscription in 2019 as the bundle included the use of Photoshop and ACR. The only reason I installed LightRoom was to turn off some feature LightRoom Adobe was sending me emails about and the only way to deactivate the settings was to install it. Before 2019 I had been using CS4 for with a 10 year old ACR.

I have been using Bridge and ACR to manage and edit image files since the very first release. Over the years I have looked at a lot of other software to do those things but none are as efficient and productive as a combination as Bridge and ACR including LightRoom.

It's not a matter of learning the new way in the new UX it is a matter of accepting less productive, inefficiencies and more time consuming. The new modern UX Adobe is giving ACR is a cookie cutter consumer based internet webpage layout. It has nothing what so ever to do with a practical GUI for professionals.
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Kevin Layman the strangest thing with the third party sites pushing this new ACR UI are the comments respondents are saying how great that ACR is now like LightRoom that they can stop using LightRoom altogether. Adobe unwittingly are killing the use of LightRoom.

Who should really be upset are people with standalone Photoshop subscriptions. They clearly wanted nothing to do with LightRoom. I only started a yearly Photography subscription in 2019 as the bundle included the use of Photoshop and ACR. The only reason I installed LightRoom was to turn off some feature LightRoom Adobe was sending me emails about and the only way to deactivate the settings was to install it. Before 2019 I had been using CS4 for with a 10 year old ACR.

I have been using Bridge and ACR to manage and edit image files since the very first release. Over the years I have looked at a lot of other software to do those things but none are as efficient and productive as a combination as Bridge and ACR including LightRoom.

It's not a matter of learning the new way in the new UX it is a matter of accepting less productive, inefficiencies and more time consuming. The new modern UX Adobe is giving ACR is a cookie cutter consumer based internet webpage layout. It has nothing what so ever to do with a practical GUI for professionals.
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Sorry for the repost but the forum software messed up when I tried to edit to correct Kevin's name to Lynam.
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Andrew Rodney must be an Adobe employee. I have never seen anyone defend the company so much.....
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Andrew Rodney must be an Adobe employee. I have never seen anyone defend the company so much.....
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Another assumption; no.
“Untested assumptions and lazy habits of thought can be shown up, once put in a spotlight of a different hue.“
-Julian Baggini
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It appears that our Andrew loves to use quotations to justify his rather nasty demeanor against fellow forum members.
It's a pity there is no block or ignore feature so we don't have to read comments that provide zero value to any such topic.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Conspiracy theory / millennial "entitlement generation"  sort of thinking. Change, DOES HAPPEN and one must keep up, not just bitch about it
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Has anyone noticed the mouse scroll wheel for sizing the spot removal tool and local adjustment brush in the new UI is counter to what is 'normal'. Rotating the wheel forward/backward decreases/increases the size, which is opposite to what Lightroom Classic does and every other program I've ever used! Scrolling the image vertically is also back to front! Simply dreadful QA.
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WHy does Jeff Tranberry ignore the questions from users who are totally fed up and stressed from using the new ACR 12.3?
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Adobe US is currently on shutdown, he's not supposed to be checking in here at all.
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I'll chime in here and point out that I only targeted my question towards Jeff as he was marked as "Official Response" and was the Adobe representative in the thread. Adobe US being on Shutdown is a perfectly reasonable reason for a delayed reply. So thank you for the information Victoria.

Despite a few forum trolls and alot of moaning, there is actually some very good feedback in this thread particularly from branislavmilic, who I think pretty much nailed it on the head as to what people are upset about when it comes to the UI and menu design. 

It would just be nice to hear Adobe acknowledge the feedback and they're going to tender to our needs. 

Not wanting to become another one of the moaners (or trolls), I'm going to chime out of the thread.
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Jeff and the ACR team heard all kinds of debate about this months ago from pre-release.
We don't always get what we want.
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Welcome to the Corporate World!  I bailed out of a Fortune 500 firm in 1979 because I realized that I would never be any good at "The Hindlick Maneuver"
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Nothing but vain excuses.......go bankrupt Adobe.....
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Really despise the new ACR. Do not change stuff that is working fine for years Ad....

Really despise the new ACR. Do not change stuff that is working fine for years Adobe !

If any programmer that makes changes to software, making it more of a struggle to work with, with more unnecessary clicks, thinking he/she provides users with an upgrade, please get them back to school!  Adobe, we did not ask for this 'improvement'. Because it is not, it is a setback. This has nothing to do with 'getting used to it'. It is just really crap UI.

Please get the older UI back, so much better as it makes my workflow more efficient. That is all that counts. Listen to your customers and do not come up with changes without -at least- test it with professional customers (!) A dissatified customer.
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Darwinism will change the audience of users: failure to adapt to changing realities sent many species to extinction.

An observation: some 375 million years ago in the Devonian, there was a critter which is believed to be the first with digits patterned like those of all tetrapods today including us. Elpistostege watsoni who also breathed air through a hole on top of his noggin and could clamber out of the water to forage. That would seem to me to be the originator of a procedure used in traffic in Los Angeles which requires an extended middle finger.

Nothing fishy about that, now is there!

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Dave Grainger are you saying that Adobe is giving us the middle finger or you are giving us the middle finger?

Let me put it in basic math terms for you Dave to explain what the software engineers have done to the GUI:

The previous GUI flowed as simple as 1+1=2. The new UX has become 1+3-11+17-8=2

375 million years from now this will be the reason scientist pinpoint when Adobe went extinct.
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Fred: Please  read my comment again. I was telling you that Change WILL happen, and those that learn how to adapt do better, those that just sulk, do not.
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Dave Grainger: "those that learn to adapt do better" -- that goes for companies marketing their product to consumers as well... There are plenty of other sources to turn to, many that indeed adapt to the needs of their customers. Those that do not will get that raised finger that you so helpfully injected into this thread.
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Alan: I certainly agree that Adobe must fix this current update mess and I am sure that they are burning the midnight oil to do so. Features changes are a different story...
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I agree that changes will be made Dave, but part of the reason that we progress is that we do not tend to adapt to a new flawed system just because it's new. We either move away from it or continue as we are. Just because something has changed, it doesn't mean that it's better or that we should just adapt. 
My workflow has adapted over a number of years, and now, it's pretty much as economical as it can be. This change completely undermined that workflow so I have reverted to the original. If this hadn't been possible I'd have moved elsewhere. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled select the interface for camera raw.

please give the old camera raw version. 
how I would like LR This would use LR.
make options so that I can choose the old / new interface.
new is a tragedy. why did Adobe ruin it?



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I absolutely agree with this statement from above:
~~~~~~~~ My workflow has adapted over a number of years, and now, it's pretty much as economical as it can be. This change completely undermined that workflow so I have reverted to the original.
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Cannot stand the new camera raw layout!  Ugh why must they always change things SO annoying.  Is there a way to revert to the old look without changing the version?  Adobe you suck if you don't give us these options....hope they didn't assume everyone would love their new look because they don't....personally I can't stand it! 
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No, there isn't. Revert to older version or move forward.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The mess that the new Camera Raw layout is..

Hi, Adobe!
Since you introduced the latest Camera Raw change, I've noticed that I really do anything to avoid using it. Usability is awful, this new layout is absolutely user unfriendly. I've been such a big fan of Camera Raw since day one. But now I hate it 100%.
I just want to say that I wish you could roll back to the older, better layout. It was ultimately perfect. Now it's like "shut me off and never open again". Really unhappy with the mess that you turned it into. Sorry for such a loud opinion. Can you ask around other users? I've got a feeling that I'm not the only one.
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Just read the whole thread and you'll see that you are not alone and how to revert back.
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Lucian Dixon

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Hi, Branislav - I believe I've now read the entire thread but plan to read it once more just to be sure.  I understand that I have to run the 12.2 installer but what I'm not clear about is if I need or don't need to do anything else - like uninstall Bridge, for instance.  Will the 12.2 installer install over the 12.3 current installation?  
   All I really want is one button to click to make 12.3 disappear forever.  I can't imagine what Adobe was thinking.  
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Andrew Rodney

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You should not have to run the uninstaller.
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lwdgrfx: I got mine reverted by simply running the 12.2 installer... THEN after a system reboot Bridge failed to display thumbnail images. The latter was fixed by opening the Adobe CC installer, selecting the "3 dots" menu for Adobe Bridge, selecting other versions & reverting to the previous version of Bridge. After that, and a system reboot, all is back to normal. I'll never allow another update of Bridge or Camera RAW without first verifying in this group that the huge mistake of an "upgrade" isn't repeated.
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... and still, there has been NO MEANINGFUL RESPONSE FROM ADOBE about the kickback on ACR 12.3, here or anywhere else that I can find. Just hired-guns and gurus towing the corporate line with occasional rollback instructions posted by 'official representatives' on forums like this one. 
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Kickback? You wish to roll back to the last version. Doable. 
Adobe telling you what they are going to do before they release? Not going to happen, you're not (like some here) under NDA. 

So what is your question, how to roll back to the last version? 
Installers can be found here:https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html#12_x

Hired guns? No. Some in pre-release NDA testers posting how to make the new version work with the new changes or telling you how to actually go back; yes
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Hello Andrew. I'm not your enemy.

I'm a LONG-time user who personally pays for my CC subscription; and like many others, I find the ACR 12.3 seriously inferior to prior releases in terms of workflow and UI/UX.

To your points above...

  • Yes, I mean "kickback" from the market (as in anger, rejection, etc.) about the entire 12.3 release, not "rollback" to a previous version
  • Correct, I'm not under NDA w/ Adobe - and if I were when this release came out, I'd seriously reconsider my position as an honest, objective professional
  • At any rate, the release IS now out, and I still see no objective "professional" feedback (from gurus, bloggers, etc.) about the workflow disaster 12.3 has caused for so many users 
  • Yes, Adobe should perform advance beta testing and live user testing, and provide advance awareness of massive UI switches such as ACR 12.3, and provide opportunity for user / market feedback that they take seriously
  • Yes, Adobe should provide rollback options for massive UI updates for at least 2 subsequent releases to give the market time to adapt and adopt
  • I don't HAVE a question, I'm making a point about the lack of meaningful interaction regarding the market's prevailing opinion of the 12.3 release from official Adobe reps
  • I've successfully rolled back and helped many others do the same
  • I've seen NO objective, helpful information in the form of forum posts, blog articles, etc. from PS/ACR gurus on the web about overcoming / adapting to the ACR 12.3 release in a hi-volume workflow, other than rolling back

If you have information (articles, videos, etc.) from real-world users showing how the ACR 12.3 release is superior to previous releases for hi-volume workflows, or how 12.3 can be adapted to overcome the newly introduced UI/UX deficits in hi-volume workflows, I for one would very much like to review those resources.This is NOT a "challenge" it's a legitimate request.

Like most on the forum, I'm not opposed to progress and willing to learn. (I've used PS since v1 at my first design job in the early 90's, so this isn't my first rodeo with Adobe changes.)

Still, I don't drink the koolaid, and I am frustrated that Adobe...

  1. Pushed out such a massive change to the entire market without any (appreciable) advance awareness, training, etc.
  2. Provided no "legacy UI option" to allow users time to adapt / adopt
  3. Has shown zero empathy to the market's predominantly negative position on the release
I appreciate your challenges to my positions...
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I'm not your enemy either. I've provided simply facts. You can roll back. I've provided how to do so. 
You can learn how to use the new version and move on. 
You can ask Adobe what they will do, don't hold your breath. I've explained factually why

I can easily cherry pick praise for the new GUI. You and others can easily cherry pick the opposite. 

Adobe did get a LOT of feedback long before the product was released, I don't think my NDA limits me telling you this fact. Some were opposed, some were supportive. But Adobe heard and released the version you now have so it wasn't like all this was done in some Adobe vacuum; it absolutely didn't happen that way. 
Don't drink Koolaid; move on. 

They can't provide 'advanced' training before they release a product! And once the product WAS released, they did provide training (URL provided from Adobe here and earlier) as did many others on the day of the release and thereafter. How did those people know what was coming to provide training the day ACR was released? NDAs, pre-release testers etc. 

"I'm not about talking and finger-pointing and complaining. I'm about getting things done". - Christine Quinn
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Who says: “Oh yeah this UI is great, it allows me to click twice more and my mouse travels much more. Also this UI is slower, it's great for my brain, I can think between two clicks.”? Who? Which brain? Which life form?
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Let's give it a rest and get back to work... Just sayin'
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branislavmilic it is not only all the added mousing clicking and scrolling in this new UX it is how visually distracting the way it functions.

When switching between tool panels using the icon tab bar visually it is seamless. You don't even notice the change from Basic to Tone Curve.

Using this new scroll bar set up viewing these same settings is not seamless it is now completely visually distracting to the eye scrolling up and down.
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Who says: “Oh yeah this UI is great, it allows me to click twice more and my mouse travels much more.

If you want a reasonable answer, ask a reasonable question.... Who? Those that don't agree with you. And some don't. Here's some cherry picking from this forum and Luminous Landscape's forum:

Luminous Landscape forum:

I really like the new update, amongst many improvements the layout with "single" mode which lets me know where I am at in my processing, the eye icon next to the tools that I have activated, the zoom tool fit or 100% view etc For the first time in a few years I can see the moment where I will leave C1, use ACR and greatly simplify raw processing with SOs, Panos etc with a single continuous flow within Adobe, all this for a small monthly fee.

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I finally got around to updating last night. I expected some frustration, given the need to overcome 20+ years of ACR UI muscle memory. But it was smooth sailing for me on a Windows 10 desktop system. No problems, and I found the new UI easy to understand.

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Tomas Skaringa just shared this idea in Photoshop Family (Lightroom Classic): Camera Raw HSL Adjustment Brush and Gradient Tools

"Adobe, first thank you for all the wonderful updates! For the next Camera Raw version, I would recommend adding  HSL adjustment brush and gradient tool. I bet everyone would be super happy with this idea. As photographers we often shoot in different environments and colors are not always pleasing in shadows or highlights. So, I wish I would have a chance to adjust a particular color by having an HSL brush or gradient tools. For example, desaturate yellows in certain areas."

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"One step forward and one back, net a little bit better. 

I only use Photoshop for Focus Stacking. Prior to 9.3 it was a pain to try to find the stacked image after returning to Lightroom. Nice fix in 9.3. 

But prior to 9.3, choosing the Crop tool and clicking Constrain Crop would crop the image inside the left over mess on the edges. 

So for me, an overall improvement."

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Kudos on your NDA with Adobe, Andrew. You must be a very accomplished professional who worked hard to earn that right, and you clearly intend to defend it.

Furthermore, I get what you're saying: 
  • ACR 12.3 is out
  • Hi-profile gourmet boutique users win in this release
  • High-volume everyday workflow users lose in this release
  • There will be no UI/UX regression or accommodation for the losers
  • Deal with it

Fine. I dealt with it by rolling back and voicing my opinion, as have untold thousands of other users. But eventually, we'll lose that option and have no choice to move into the post-12.3 world of ACR.

So personally, I'm done speaking about ACR 12.3. It is what it is, and for many like me it is not a good release.

However, I do have one final comment for the record...

It is (IMO) a sad state of affairs that neither Adobe nor the experts, gurus, bloggers or other hired-guns exhibit any EMPATHY for the rightfully frustrated end users in all of this. Just "my way or the highway" - same as all the other large monopolistic software companies we depend on everyday for our livelihood.

Y'all have a good day.

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I'm not defending anything, I'm providing facts you can accept or ignore. 
Untold thousands of others, really? "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."-Carl Sagan
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

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Kevin Lynam I agree; you've expressed my feelings 100%. If the attitude of those purporting to speak representatively for Adobe accurately reflects the company's direction, their repeated smug suggestion for us professional power users to "move on" and "give it a rest" (I hear shut up, we don't care what you think and don't want to hear from you any more) it is certainly a sad state of affairs from a company I have financially supported for well over a decade. One silver lining is that 12.2 will work well for me into the for a considerable amount of time (assuming a crippling "upgrade" is not forced on me). This time will allow one of two things: either Adobe will respond to the outcry of their most loyal power users, or they will focus on marketing the new LR-like 12.3 to more novice users which will give me time to transition to Topaz Studio. So, here's to taking the "guru" advice of shutting up and moving on. I'm done.  
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So those complaining about the changes are (the most) loyal customers and those who like/praise the change are not loyal customers? Absurd. Adiós.
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Guys. Andrew Rodney and Dave Grainger are both Forum trolls. Please stop feeding them. 

It is fine to argue against the topic, but these two users are actively trying to wind people up in a non-constructive way.

Please DO NOT respond to them.
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"What annoys us about others may say more about ourselves than about them."-C.J. Jung
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Billy Ben: Since you have only been on this forum for approximately sixty days and posted only two comments, I suggest that you read a little further. The last retort of a person who does not have either the lexicon nor the cognitive abilities to debate is often insult.

"Education is the process of casting false pearls before real swine." Irwin Edman, PhD et al
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Are you Andrew Rodney, Dave?
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Jerry S'alur

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Well said Billy Ben. They are both also protected species here too. Probably paid to 'defend' the almighty adobe king....
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Jerry S'alur

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It appears that our Andrew loves to use quotations to justify his rather nasty demeanor against fellow forum members.
It's a pity there is no block or ignore feature so we don't have to read comments that provide zero value to any such topic.
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Easy to spot the Real ones, Dr Edman, by what they post...
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Jerry S'alur

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Zero respect shown by Adobe to its users. Reap what you sow Adobe....
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Does anyone know how to stop recieving notifications every time someone replies here. Where is the button to stop this? Pls?
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Click on your face(top right of this page) then to the left, you'd see the notification settings.
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How do you COLOR LABEL??? I've tried using command, control with a number or just a number by itself. This is how I organized what files to export and what to discard and so I know where I am.. I scroll down to the end of the greens.. and continue working on the unlabelled. 

ALSO- why TF is there no INTENSITY SLIDER for presets?? the "profile" thing doesn't let me use the slider for most of my user-imported presets. 

I dont' use LR because it's bulky and does all kinds of annoying things I don't want. As many others commented, why make ACR into LR? We chose ACR because we don't want LR! I don't want to learn a new software and Adobe is supposedly industry standard. But 12.3 is pushing my patience like never before. I'm a wedding, event and product photographer and I need a tool that can handle thousands of images a week reliably and efficiently. After the thousands of dollars I've paid to Adobe this is what we get..?? PLEASE ADOBE.
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How do you COLOR LABEL??? 
First, go into Adobe Bridge, Preferences> Labels. Uncheck the option named "Require the command key (ctrl-key) to apply labels and ratings. Then you can add ratings and labels with number keys 1–9 in both ACR and Bridge. Click on a thumbnail and you can how assign colors using number keys. 

ALSO- why TF is there no INTENSITY SLIDER for presets?? the "profile" thing doesn't let me use the slider for most of my user-imported presets. 
If the sliders move, it's a preset. If the sliders don't move, it's a profile. And they are separated in the browser, partially for this reason.

There are  two types of profiles now: DCPs and the newer XMP-based ones. In terms of the newer XMP based profiles, they specify a base DCP. For the vast majority of them, including those made by third parties, that base DCP will be Adobe Standard. So the first consideration is that XMP Profiles are built on top of DCPs and extend the DCP profile. On top of the base DCP, there is an optional Look Up Table/LUT. XMP-based profile can also specify many but not all of the options from the GUI we use. There are some reasons why these profiles do not move corresponding sliders. For example, a preset for vignetting adds just a vignette and do nothing else, the other adjustments are not altered. 

 

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