Camera Raw 12.3: How to revert UI to older version, one with vertical filmstrip?

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after updating photoshop , when i opened it for the first time there was option to use camera raw as it is (vertical film) or to change it to new UI (with new look and horizontal filmstrip ), i just clicked new UI to see how it looks , i thought if i dont like it i will just go back to using older UI but there is no option to select older UI , i contacted adobe but person who was helping me just suggested that i should install older version of camera raw or ask for help from this forum , i found it bit frustrating that if there was simple option to choose new UI so why not give option to revert back to older UI with newly updated software. maybe its bug or adobe forcing people to use new UI even if they dont like it
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Click and hold on the film strip icon in the lower left corner. That will give you a contextual menu with the choice for vertical or horizontal film strip.
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She also had a ship named after her, the USS Hopper, a guided missile destroyer.
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OK, bug nostalgia aside can anyone answer my question above?
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I am of the opinion @Todd that the XMP works fine still. It's just that the database option is not an option anymore.
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Exactly.
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OK, thanks.
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BTW, I don’t think that the dialog gave you a choice between the old and new interface. It just explained the new interface, because AFAIK there is no choice. If you do not want the new interface at all, then you shouldn’t update to 12.3 at all.
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Johan, I studied this screen when doing the install, the English version, read and re-read it to be certain that my choice was reversible and the  stated option to revert to old UI was very clear. It explicitly labeled the two options  "New UI" and old/previous UI ... it would make no sense to offer two filmstrip positions when it is easily moved in the new UI.
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I found an English version. I agree the message is confusing, but if you read what is written below the two layouts it becomes clearer. The dialog shows two layouts of the new interface. Those two layouts do not only have a different position of the film strip (and ratings in the vertical film strip), but also offer 'solo mode' on the right (where opening one panel closes the other panels) or the mode on the left where you can have multiple panels open at the same time.

I'm sure that is what the message means: you can choose between what you see on the left or on the right, not between the new version 12.3 interface and the old pre-12.3 version interface.

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This is correct, and you can change these once you are in ACR 12.3 anyway, but they are both ACR 12.3, neither are the old UI layout. No option is given to use the old UI. This is why I have reverted back to a previous ACR version. Adobe has effectively taken away my tools for my job and replaced it with something that requires twice as many clicks to operate, slows down my workflow and is not usable on my 13" laptop when I'm on location because the tools are all crammed in one corner making it impossible to see on a small screen. They have tried to force lightroom layout on us, if I wanted lightroom I would use that! I don't and I won't. 
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Correct John there is no option to revert back to the old UI, only assumptions that is the case. The screen capture you showed simply shows how to alter the position of filmstrip.

The old UI is gone, revert to an older version or learn to use the new one. 
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Nope.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Camera Raw 12.3 - New GUI is cluttered... :-(.

I have installed the new Camera Raw 12.3...

And now the GUI is really cluttered and an absolut step backwards!
This must be a Joke...

Please give us the Possibility to revert to the old GUI!
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Yes there should be option to revert back ,adobe help person suggested use older version and above Johan replied that i should not update, i mean seriously so bad  response and suggestion from Adobe and Johan both.
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someone can literally suck my big fat stinky powerful big toe if they want to tell me to be a forward thinker and use 12.3. Power users will note that their long used keyboard shortcuts, basic functionality, color coding, window maximization, and streamlined experience is all out the window with this update. reverting to 12.2 was the best thing i did this week. my only issue now is bridge isn't synced with ACR anymore. smh adobe. i pay for a working tool. and now it works worse. LIGHTroom is for LIGHT users. it's the apple photos app adobe equivalent. editing 6000 photos this week alone isn't possible in a fluffy childproof software like LR. i need TOOLS THAT WORK. that's why i pay for this shit. thank you.
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Philip expressing the emotional feelings of the majority in his post. Thank you. 
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Phil, please  literally revert to 12.2; I can't imagine anyone wanting to suck on you big fat stinky powerful toe. 
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Thank you, Philip! Thank you Billy Ben!
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1. Cropping - why the function doesn't work, "limit to image". In the old version, you could crop outside the image. Now only within the image. Whatever option you choose.
2. Zooming - works only in the style of Ligtroom. If I wanted to choose a lightroom, I would choose Lightroom. Traditional zoom does not work. The selection option in the preferences does not work.
3. Why is the automatic preset preview still available? It really slows down work. It serves nothing.
4. The tools at the top of Interface were more convenient. For example, the transition from cropping to image straightening was intuitive and fast. Now you need to open some cards ... In addition, there is plenty of undeveloped space at the top. You have placed all buttons and functions on the right. They are strangled like mice in the corner. It is not convenient to use. etc. etc ...
Adobe — why are you changing this? Why change something that works well for long time? Again ...
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Yes you are right ,
No option to extend canvas in crop anymore.
no option to move tools from right to top or anywhere else
UI dont feel smooth even with 32gb ram i7 9th gen
Even removed save button in bottom and moved open images also to right side
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Also, Esc no longer lets you exit camera raw window without making any changes.

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Camera Raw 12.3 Is Horrible.

This absolutely is the worst update ever done by Adobe. Everything is crammed on the right side and the text is so small it's unreadable on a 17" laptop. I've been using Photoshop since CS2 but I simply can't use this version of ACR. Give us the option of reverting to the prior version. I can live without the few new features.
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I completely agree........this is horrible. I'm wondering if it's  possible to uninstall the update so I can reinstall it and then pick the old UI.....I can't even work with this and the font is so small it' s useless.
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for years it beats me - in Windows, when I hover with mouse over a slider position (and/or over related numeric input field) - why in the world developer can't let me change the values with a mouse wheel 
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Agreed, as you can do in LR. You can hover above the slider which activates the double arrow keys which allows you to drag left to right but it's not the same. 
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I have asked about and suggested this change multiple times but Adobe never gets back to me and years later it has not changed.  I don't really want to buy any new software but this change to 12.3 might force me to. 

 
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and why I can't have an option in a new ACR UI __NOT__ to have star rate & thrash can visible to me @ the bottom ? why I can't position tool tab back on top ? why so much blank space is wasted @ the bottom of ACR window now ? get those people some training in usability
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You can click on the little icon, in the bottom, left to get rid of the filmstrip(blank space?).
 
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I don’t mind the new layout and improvements but a massive fail is moving the tool bar on the right hand side as opposed to it being along the top of the window. It requires about 3 times more mouse/cursor travel, and on big screens that gets seriously annoying. Please provide an option to choose top or right for the tool bar
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Even i dont mind new UI but they should have kept all buttons and tools on their original position. save as and open images also changed to top and bottom right i prefer the way it was close to each other on bottom left side.
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Totally agree- on 27" iMac, that’s a lot of moussing to get from far left, where I chose to keep vertical filmstrip view (and with my screen propositions mean that space is not being used anyway, where as if I have filmstrip on bottom, image itself is now at least 20% smaller in raw window), and the narrow stretch of real estate where the tools are now squeezed/hidden. Still unused space on top to return them to.

Also, any reminders on my computer block some of the tools. Lastly, the logical place to look for menu type tool selections is...well, on the top, near the menu. I really don’t want to have to take time I should be working to relearn how to use the camera raw window, when the changes seem more cosmetic than functional.

I think this UI update was not well thought out, and could use some more work.

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Agreed, for event photography it used to be the fastest option. Now it's added about 4 seconds per image. Way too slow when I have 1000 images to process per event.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Camera Raw 12.3, No option to use the old ACR layout. Why?.

Camera Raw 12.3 update has to be the worst ACR update yet. 
With no option to use the old-style layout that we are used to. As a full-time photographer time is money and I do not have the time to go through another learning curve, especially for no reason other than someone at Adobe, decided to change everything around in ACR. What makes this worse is that the new update has slowed down my workflow and made it a lot more difficult to see the tools on my 13" laptop when I am on location. This is because all the tools are now crammed into a small space making it very cluttered. This does not make any sense as there is still room where the tools used to be, so this has achieved nothing!

I have had to revert back to the old Camera Raw 11.4.1, just so I can get on with my job, which is completely ridiculous! 

I hope Adobe can fix this soon. 

Link to revert back to the old Camera Raw 11.4.1
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html
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Please offer a choice of UI design.

As many have said here, if we wanted the Lightroom style, we'd use Lightroom. I've got the option to use LR but I don't as I really don't like the UI. Now, the software that I've grown to understand so well over the years has disappeared with no choice in the matter allowed.

I'm a professional photographer, working to a deadline, and have just opened my laptop to file a set of images and have absolutely no idea how to find anything on the software that my company pays a lot of money for.

I have no problem with it being an option but please PLEASE make it exactly that; an option.
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Hey, Leon - I absolutely agree about Lightroom - I don't like anything about it which is why I've been so happy to - up till this poing - still use ACR - i.e., 12.2.  12.3 is a total disaster. 
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100% I too am a professional and agreed to an Adobe update, only to walk into this today. It will now take me all day to process yesterdays photos, instead of just this morning. That's wasted half a days when I would be advertising
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I reverted to the previous camera raw but had to revert to the previous Bridge version also to get raw and tif thumbnails to show. So far, everything looks back to normal now. Thanks to those that posted the raw reversion link.
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Just took my ACR back to 12.2.1 via https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html#12_x  ... Bridge seems to be working fine without moving it back (RAW & TIF thumbnails are showing).  My Bridge version is 9.1.0.338 (up to date according to ACC installer) -- Is there a need to roll Bridge back as well?
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Seriously Adobe how on earth could the software engineers have ever thought this was a good idea to completely do away with a UI that has been working for many many years? This new set up is like a fisher price romperoom UI. Why no download for ACR 12.1? Typical engineers absolutely no common sense.

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Part of the dumbing down of western society.
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Of course downgrading to ACR 11.4.3 totally messes up using the latest Bridge as Bridge can longer render full thumbnails using ACR 11.4.3 and ACR 11.4.3 can not be used through the lastest Bridge luckily ACR 11.4.3 opens in the latest Photoshop which again is backwards intuitive.

Adobe this is a total joke.
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Official Response
If you want to refer to 12.2.1, you can do so here: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html#12_x
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When was the last time an Adobe employee told you, outside an NDA, what Adobe would be proving in a future release of ANY Adobe product. 
You can ask of course. Don't be too upset if you don't get an answer. 
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It's not too much of a high expectation. 
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Thank you so much! ACR is again usable. Alas, if Adobe desided new awful UI stays forever, we're stuck with no updated for a long time. 
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Jeffrey, why are you defending the UI when most hate it? You are a senior Adobe employee and seems like you are not listening to what your customers want! Instead you ban anyone who questions the apple cart!
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My question to Jeffrey as well.  
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I personally like it - I am very much up for innovation and development. I do understand that it takes time to work with something new but most times, we learn the new thing and realise that it's much better. I'd hate to get stuck in the past and the old ACR felt like it was in the past(so does LR Classic, eh-hem). The many clicks and the fact that important adjustments are embedded and I have to click further arrows to fine-tune things is a drag; namely effects, detail etc. Change is hard I admit but change can be adapted to.
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As if I had a car and you say, here is a bicycle, it can do the job too.
That is a change, it can do the job, we can adapt ourselves if we had no choice.
But the change is in the wrong direction, that is the problem. 
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I agree with you Aniaina, Change is not better nor is new better if it is a step backwards like this. It looks like the new ACR UI has been designed by a lightroom enthusiast with a dislike for traditional ways that are smooth, fast and simple. In favour of a much more awkward, slow and complex way of working!  

How did the 'Photoshop Family' become a dictatorship by Adobe rather than the democracy that it should be? After all, we are the paying customers, we should have the choice to use the old UI, especially if people have been using it for so long!
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I also miss those quick reset + - click points!

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Sorry Jerry, but there's no point "adapting" to a system that fails to deliver. My business is based on bulk images and those things that you describe as a drag are complete waste of precious time.
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I completely agree, Sean.  I'm baffled that anyone would think these changes were in the right direction.  As far as adapting to the new, I'm perfectly willing to do that but not to changes I did not ask for and which make ACR seriously worse.  
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Good grief - I created a login to this site for the sole reason to chime in on this thread and say how completely F'd up the ACR 12.3 is !!!!!!! I used to run a software dev team and I can promise you this stupidity of an update didn't go through one single honest-to-goodness USER of ACR !!!  If they did, the project director should be fired. I mean seriously, apart from the total screwup of the new interface, have you tried the CROP tool? The damn thing stays in the middle of the page and you have to move the entire photo underneath the crop frame - SHEER STUPIDITY !!!!! why on G's green earth Adobe feels compelled to continually jack with stuff that NO ONE WANTS OR ASKS FOR is the most infuriating thing about being an Adobe customer. Another person reverting to 12.2.1 to maintain sanity due to this STOOOOOOPID interface update.
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Totally agree with you. Zero respect shown by Adobe to its users.
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The objective verdict after a few hours in the muddy trenches of post w/ ACR 12.3 last night, then sleeping on it.... 

Without getting into specifics, I did encounter a few noticeable improvements, or maybe I should say feature enhancements - which could have easily been implemented without any UI/UX modification.

Overall, the new UI is arguably "cleaner" than the previous interface, but "design for design's sake" has NO PLACE in the UI/UX of workflow software. Functionally the new UI is poorly conceived and very inefficient to use. 

ATTN: ACR PRODUCT MGR / TEAM...
  • Why didn't you inform AND involve boots-on-the-ground power-users with this release? 
  • Why didn't you give users an option to TRY the new interface first? 
  • Why didn't you provide a rollback option for the previous UI?
I stick by my original post statement that there is absolutely NO WAY that anyone who uses ACR on a consistent basis within a professional photography workflow would have voted for this change, or would give the 12.3 release anything more than 1 star out of 5 - and the only reason for one star is because at least 12.3 doesn't outright bomb when launched.

Final Take: The UI/UX update of Adobe's ACR 12.3 release is maddeningly inefficient, completely unwarranted, and a genuine affront to professional users.
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Agree 100%. My former workflow was developed over many, many years of heavy use, allowing me to speed through dozens, and or hundreds of RAW images from a professional photo session. It had become like second nature, without taking any time to think about each step along the way. The process was an amazingly "well oiled machine" that has been totally destroyed. That well-developed workflow was the one thing that has always stopped me from considering other systems, such as Topaz Studio (not wanting to re-invest the time and energy to re-learn a new flow) I can only imaging how long it will take to re-develop such a skilled workflow with the new UI. I will definitely be taking another look at Topaz Studio -- since Adobe has forced me into this corner.
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I completely agree.......whatever minor benefit was derived was wiped out by the changes in the UI itself. Working on a laptop often means that  everything is now crammed into a very small area and difficult to work with.  Some things, like vignette are in multiple places, completely unnecessary. There was no reason to not leave the targeted adjustment tool as a stand alone and it now has less useability because it can only be used in the panels in which it's included. This was a terrible disservice to the customer base especially for those of us who intentionally do not use LR. If we wanted this type of UI, we would be using  LR. This needs to be fixed so that the customer has the option of using the old UI or the new one. There was no indication that this wouldn't be an option.
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Look at Adobe's response...ignore.
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I, too, absolutely dislike the changes made with ACR 12.3. It took some reading to find out how to make the adjustment brush keep it's setting. Zooming is now as pitiful as in LR. 
Cropping in ACR 12.3 is practically unusable for me (i7, 16Gb, internal graphics). It used to be fine, ACR used to be fine and fast. Not anymore. It just downloaded 12.2.1.
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Oliver you can deactivate LR-like zooming in the prefs.
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Thank you Stefan. Desktop and laptop behave differently although on both the LR zoom option is unchecked. Zoom on the desktop still works like LR. Most likely because the internal graphics of the "old" i7-4790. Crop also works better on the i7-8550U laptop. 
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Could someone help me. My PC has updated the Raw Camera to version 12.3 and I am not able to see the changes made only in the localized adjustments, for example only in the radial filter, or only in the brush separately as before. I'm only able to see the before and after of the basic adjustments and the others below where I click on the eye and the before and after with all the adjustments together by clicking on the icon that looks like a little window. How do I see this in this version? Help me please. Thanks.

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SANDRA, I am afraid most people in this thread has reverted back to an older Camera Raw version (me included). So they might not be able to help you.
Instead I suggest you to revert back to an earlier version of Camera Raw.
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Hi, Anaina - I feel like a complete newbie asking this question although I have been working on computers for years.  The short version is that I, too, hate ACR 12.3 and want the ACR I have been working on for years.  But I don't see any way to revert to ACR 12.2.  

My Photoshop is now 21.2.0 Release but it brings up ACR 12.3 whether I want it to or not.

I have this link to the Camera Raw plug-in Installer page but do you know if I can just run the Camera Raw 12.2.1 Installer without uninstalling 12.3?  Creative Cloud shows me no way to do that. 

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html#12_x



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I simply downloaded the older 11.4 Ver and ran it. Replaced the ACR 12.3 and then set the options as they were when I first installed. Back to normal as far as I can see. Just make sure you check your file handling options and other settings. You should be good to go.
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I reverted back to 12.1 today after 2 days of using the 12.3 update which seriously affected the speed of my workflow. I use Camera Raw every day as a professional photographer.

I use a 5 x 7 crop format often and in the old version the crop format stayed at 5 x 7 aspect ratio unless I used something else. With the 12.3 update the aspect ratio is always at 2 x 4 / 4 x 6 and I have to click each and every time to get 5 x 7. I want to click less to get what I want done, done.

Cropping? Having to move the image around behind the crop frame was time consuming. That UI is not effective imo.

Like Alan Shadduck above my process was like a "well oiled machine" and the new UI was like working with a clunky, sputtering machine.  

I've never felt the need to write and complain until the Camera Raw 12.3 update.


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My pleasure William. I am also a long time PS user. I've always been happy with previous update to both PS and ACR. This one surprised me in how much longer it took for me to do the things I do on a daily basis.
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I went back to 12.2.1 yesterday. Process was quick and seamless, everything is back to normal (no conflicts with most current version of Bridge) and I've never been happier with a software install. Am grateful for those that provided helpful posts here.
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UPDATE on my last reply: Although things seemed "back to normal" the illusion vanished after a system reboot, which has left me with Bridge failing to display thumbnails. So, I have once again installed 12.3 to simply regain some usability (albeit with an infinitely crippled workflow). Any suggestions on which prior versions of Bridge and ACR work and play well together would be appreciated. :(
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And why oh why have the download icon on the very corner that you click on to choose the next image, from all the way from the right side of the screen where I had to click on crop to zoom out. Much too much work
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I couldn't agree more.  // Since my post above asking how to revert to ACR 12.12.1 I've learned from various posts how to do it, I guess.  I haven't tried it because I have put a hell of a lot of work into my Photoshop / Bridge / ACR workflow through the years and I was very happy with the way things were.  Since the original directions as to how to do it came from someone whose advice I do not trust, I've been wary.  Fortunately, others have mentioned the same changes so I will try them over this weekend.  I still do not understand what the hell Adobe was thinking when they ambushed us with these changes sending us onto a one-way street which is a dead end.  I've been a loyal Adobe user for about 26 years now and don't want to use any other software if I don't have to but my work is far to important to me - and to my clients - to trust it to an untrustworthy software company. 
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Another annoying change (bug)- when in Camera Raw (from Bridge 10.1.10.163) and using adjustment brush with several images open, brush no longer remembers setting when I go from one image to the next, or if I toggle between Adjustment Brush and Basic settings. Previously, settings were remembered, so when dodging or burning a bunch of similar images, I didn’t have to set the same amount over and over and over again... This is a real deal breaker for me personally.

Similar issue- after adjusting the first of multiple images, if I select all, use either Option + S, or contextual menu to synchronize settings, it does not remember previously selected items properly.

And I guess I will just have to learn to look for More Image Settings all the way on the right, instead of say next in top of the Basic settings panel, where it would logically make sense to find it like before.

On the positive side, I do really like the ability to click on the small “eye” next to each panel to see before and after for just that set of adjustments. I would say Bridge is also a little quicker to launch, and slightly more responsive when opening a bunch of images into Camera Raw.

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Thank you for pointing out the adjustment brush issue, Robert. I just checked and have the same. Sooo many time consuming issues to overcome with this new UI but that's the straw that broke the camel's back. Decision made, I'm reverting back to previous version.
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Alan Shadduck

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Weill, I did it, just rolled my ACR back to 12.2.1 via https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html#12_x   ... After dealing with the nightmare of 12.3 for a couple of days I've never been happier with any software install (the ACR 12.2 roll-back)!! A quick check and all is well again. Question for those that have reverted back: Some have stated there is a need to roll Bridge back as well, but I'm not seeing an issue with my Bridge 9.1.0.338 (tif and raw files display their thumbnails fine, and Ctrl-R opens my files in ACR as before). Do I need to roll back Bridge as well?
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Johan: I do generally sync basic settings from image to image, but with my work adjustment brush placement typically needs to be done on an individual basis, as subjects move from one frame to the next. This occurs when opening multiple images simultaneously on the filmstrip in ACR, as Robert Ripps described a couple of comments above... In previous iterations of ACR, when using the adjustment brush (same with the gradient tool) the last slider positions used remain intact as you switch from image to image on the filmstrip. But not so in ver. 12.3. The sliders all reset when clicking on subsequent images that are open in the filmstrip. When I saw Robert's report of this issue I checked with my copy and result was the same. I was seriously considering reverting before, but that pushed me over the edge. I reverted to 12.2.1 and confirmed all was back to normal (sliders retain the last setting moving from image to image on the filmstrip in 12.2.1). Little doubt this issue can be fixed by developers. I hope to see this (and lots more) fixed in an update. I am very happy with 12.2.1 and will be very cautious before accepting any future ACR updates.
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@Alan Shadduck scoll to the very bottom of the adjustment brush setting and uncheck the option to reset the settings. Gradient tool has the same setting. 
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Yep, as often all the fuss is simply caused by new functionality that people do not know about, rather than the removal of existing functionality. Adobe could and should add more comprehensive information to such update (although that doesn't guarantee that people will actually read it).
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Thanks for sharing that Oliver. Even on my 27” screen, that side adjustment brush panel extends past the bottom of my screen, apparently, so I never saw that option.

Would be great if Adobe provided a little more detail on the changes and new features for a major UI update, with this as a prime example.

Also, at the top of the Adjustment brush panel (below the histogram) towards the right of it is the three dot “More local correction settings,” which is the logical place for it to be. That is where the “More image settings” should fall on the Basic sidebar as well, not off to the right where it has been moved.

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More observations:

When I have several images “open” in ACR, if I zoom into one, then go to the next, it is also zoomed in. Previously, each image was independent of the others. This behavior would make sense if all images were selected, but they are not.

Also, if I move the image with the hand tool halfway out of view, and go to the next image, it also has moved. I am not clear why I would need to move an image out of view, when not zoomed in at all? I find that that window is very sensitive to movements of my mouse, so I am constantly having to chase after images, and re-centering them by using Command + 0 (on a Mac). I wish I could deactivate that “slippery” functionality- would much rather have an image viewed at Fit in view, well...fitting in my view.

Command + Option + P seems to no longer work to let me see changes to the image using just the current open panel. In previous version, I had disabled Q function, opting for ability to toggle before/after for just that panel, but now having Q unchecked does not give previous C + O + P function. P still works, and shows before/after for all panels at once.

 I am not clear on what I am supposed to do with the \ key, to Toggle to default setting? It doesn’t seem to toggle completely to default, which I take to mean how image was imported using my default preset. It keeps many of those settings, but not for instance, the lens correction. If I use More image settings to select Reset to default, it shows how image was with import preset applied, before I made any additional changes, including lens profile applied. So each “Default” is a slightly different group of settings for an image.

To me default is the settings I saved as the standard preset to use on images imported from a specific camera, which includes lens correction.

And please bring back the Esc key to dismiss changes to ACR window, as now I have to do Shift + Esc, which is extra keys/work. Also, could we have a way use keyboard to save changes (Done) without opening the images into Photoshop (which happens if I hit Enter)? How about Shift or Option + Enter?

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After having had  a go with ACR 12.3. on my 13" laptop that I carry along on assignments my dislike for this update is fortified. The Full HD screen is set  to 125% and this results in lots of scrolling to reach tools or buttons that were readily accessible before. This makes one wonder if anybody seriously working has ever tested this UI redesign. 

Cropping... another mess. Selecting the crop tool reduces the size the image is displayed and after being cropped the image is not resized to fit the ACR window again like it was done in previous versions. 

I simply don't get why Adobe would think that it's better to have two tools being very similar instead of two providing a different workflow for different needs. The number of (professional) photographers prefering the speed and UI simplicity of the "old" ACR should not be small. 

PS and LR always pushing to the foreground when starting up, continuously obstucting working with other programs in the meantime, littering my computer with Adobe folders everywhere, even where completely out of place like My Documents for settings, to me is symbolic for Adobe's perception of itself and it's software - we are important, not the user. 

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Couldn't agree more. The process to revert to 12.2.1 that I did yesterday was quick and easy, it works flawlessly with the most recent version of Bridge, and most important I have my super-efficient workflow back https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html#12_x
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Totally agree about the cropping- why would you want to see the image smaller when you are making critical judgments when cropping? And if I cancel the crop, the image does not return to Fit on screen size either.

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I agree the cropping in ACR is not very user friendly
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Updated Adobe Camera Raw.

After the latest Adobe Camera Raw, I hate the UI and can't change it to the old layout. Had to rolk back to old version Camera Raw.
Change to the interface very bad and there isn't an option to have new ACR with old, tried and tested layout.
Please bring back the proper UI/layout.
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I reverted back to the previous ACR, then had to roll back Bridge to get raw files to show thumbnails. I was happy. Then I discovered that now neither Photoshop nor ACR will open Sony ARW raw files even though the a6600 I have is a supported camera. Both Capture One and Luminar open them with no problem but neither will open in ACR directly. ACR can be accessed only as a filter in PS, which has some differences from the actual ACR. The Sony viewer driver is installed so I can see the files in everything except ACR and PS. Anyone have a solution to this FUBAR?
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Thanks for your help Alan, but I've tried every combination of Bridge, back to 9.0.338, and ACR back several versions. I've also installed a different driver for the graphics card. Things only work with the current versions of each. I think something else is going on as well. I have to keep the graphics processor deactivated in PS and ACR on this computer (even before the update) as there is some sort of conflict between the two programs and my keyboard. I'll work on that issue and use the new UI in the meantime. I may test out Topaz Studio 2 as well. I've been using PS for about 15 years and I'd hate to leave over a dumb UI change, but if Adobe doesn't fix things, it will be considered.
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Jerry one solution albeit one you may not want to hear is try converting the CR2 and AWR files to DNG. This may get past them not opening in earlier versions of ACR 12.3. Second have a test back up system software so you don't end up pouching your main setup. One I just thought of is try rolling back Photoshop to the previous version along with Bridge and ACR.

One thing I noticed rolling back ACR to 12.2.1 now when I double click a file in the latest version Bridge  ACR only opens by launching the latest version of Photoshop I have installed. Before these updates ACR worked independently of Photoshop i.e. Photoshop didn't need to be open to use ACR.

This wasn't just an update to ACR this was definitely a complete redesign philosophy of the UI. One that is less productive and counter intuitive. The old UI you could simply check every setting by scroll click scroll click scroll click along the icon tabs. That has now become scroll click scroll scroll task bar scroll click scroll scroll task bar scroll click scroll scroll task bar scroll click with not just adding more scrolling but the scrolling is much greater distances.

Several things are at play here as this is a business decision by Adobe because it certainly hasn't anything to do with better UI design.
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Jerry, although counter-intuitive, consider "updating" Bridge to the latest version now that you've rolled ACR back.
I initially updated Bridge, PS, LR and ACR to latest versions, then decided ACR 12.3 wasn't to my liking (don't get me started).  So I rolled back ACR to 12.2.1 (using the links provided in this forum).  But then Bridge was not showing thumbnails and "Open in Camera RAW" was disabled.  I then rebooted, reverted Bridge back to a previous version and it all worked again. I also use Sony ARW files.  I am still on the previous version of Bridge, but my feeling is it will still work if I update to the latest.

One thing I don't like about ACR 12.3 is, apart from the unintuitive way cropping now works, is that you are forced to use sidecar XMP files. There is no longer an option to store photo adjustments in the Camera RAW database.
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Installed the new version of ACR and absolutely HATE IT. If I wanted to use lightroom, I would, but I dont because I hate it. Please change ACR back to the way it was. The “new" not improved version is messing with my work flow, its taking longer to do/find anything and is not intuitive or user friendly. I understand that software updates need to happen, but please stop messing with the basic layout and function of the software. We spend enough time editing and once we get a system/process going you can’t just go and move/change it to look completely different. You just doubled my editing time. Please just change it back.
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I could not agree more. 

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