Nikon Z6 bugs only. Interestingly Nikon Z7 raw files don't have these issues. Nikon SDK for both cameras was released and updated on the same date, 18/11/18. Is Adobe Lightroom perhaps using Z7 SDK for Z6?
1) Nikon Z6 raw files are rendered incorrectly. Unlike Z7 the Z6 RAW presets do not carry over.
2) Adobe WB for Z6 is broken. WB Auto has a huge magenta cast, other Adobe WB presets have huge color shifts rendering files useless.
3) None of the Nikon Z-series lens corrections are correct. If lens correction is enabled the lenses are recognized as incorrect lens models.
1) Nikon Z6 raw files are rendered incorrectly. Unlike Z7 the Z6 RAW presets do not carry over.
2) Adobe WB for Z6 is broken. WB Auto has a huge magenta cast, other Adobe WB presets have huge color shifts rendering files useless.
3) None of the Nikon Z-series lens corrections are correct. If lens correction is enabled the lenses are recognized as incorrect lens models.
Posted 10 months ago
Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
Dear Rikk,
Thanks for paying close attention, as a user of LR since version 1 (beta), at that time using a Nikon D200, i appreciate the constant improvement of image quality. I have also recently switched to a Nikon Z 6 and happily report that the pink tint is gone since the v2 workaround.
Two questions remain:
1. Are the v2 camera profiles in LR 8.2 the same as those posted for the workaround? Is there any action needed after updating to LR 8.2?
2. I noticed/i think that the built-in lens profiles are not up to the same high standard of quality i came to expect from the LR provided lens profiles for previous Nikon F-mount lenses. Has this been tested?
Thanks for paying close attention, as a user of LR since version 1 (beta), at that time using a Nikon D200, i appreciate the constant improvement of image quality. I have also recently switched to a Nikon Z 6 and happily report that the pink tint is gone since the v2 workaround.
Two questions remain:
1. Are the v2 camera profiles in LR 8.2 the same as those posted for the workaround? Is there any action needed after updating to LR 8.2?
2. I noticed/i think that the built-in lens profiles are not up to the same high standard of quality i came to expect from the LR provided lens profiles for previous Nikon F-mount lenses. Has this been tested?
Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
Re Item 1 - The V2 Profiles shipping in 8.2 are the same profiles as released in the workaround.
Re Item 2 - The Lens profiles are part of the metadata for this camera and not an external profile we create. We could review implementation of the embedded information if you have a sample file that demonstrates the deficiency.
Re Item 2 - The Lens profiles are part of the metadata for this camera and not an external profile we create. We could review implementation of the embedded information if you have a sample file that demonstrates the deficiency.
Thanks Rikk, this is most appreciated. Will be back with a sample file. Very kind offer indeed.
Dear Rikk, sorry for the long silence, I'm forwarding a Dropbox link to a raw image already taken some time ago (last December), which displays a substantial amount of vignetting with the lens profile set to "built-in" and what it looks like after editing in LR:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ds54p11r9weslnu/AABsaEEAVZfoQrLH3-Nneq1ka?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ds54p11r9weslnu/AABsaEEAVZfoQrLH3-Nneq1ka?dl=0
Dear Rikk, did you have a chance to look at my example files (JPG and NEF)? The vignetting issue with the (otherwise fantastic 24-70 f/4 S lens) seems to be mostly confined to the 70 mm zoom end of the range. Would be nice if it can be addressed by an as usual high-quality specific Lightroom lens profile for this new Nikon lens. (I have also observed that Adobe issued lens profiles for the new Canon lenses for the the RF lenses... so there is hope). Best wishes from Corsica, France, Steffen
Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
I have forwarded to the Camera Raw team for review.
Thanks a bunch
Dear Rikk, by way of a small update: the vignetting issue seem to mostly affect only the ~60-70 mm, ie, the long end, of the zoom range. Typically, requires a +25 to +35 vignetting correction in the Lens Corrections panel.
PS: as far as i know there is no mechanism to apply this automatically to a specific zoom range of a particular lens, eg, during the import of new images. The vignetting correction would affect all Z 6 images, isn't it?
PS: would be nice to see some action on Adobe's behalf... mind you, i'm paying a monthly subscription fee but i don't see any work being done for this (at least nothing of any utility for me)?
Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
If you have a sample file which exhibits the issue well and you would be willing to share with us. The team can take a look and see if they can work with Nikon to get this adjusted.
Todd Shaner, Champion
Rikk there are Nikon 24-70 f/4 S lens vignetting test raw files at the below link, which may be helpful.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/lenses/nikon/z-24-70mm-f2.8-s-nikkor/review/
The 70mm F2.8 test shot exhibits -1.33 EV vignetting in the extreme corner of the image as measured inside LR with the default settings applied.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-z7/Y-JG-Z7-24-70-F2-8-5103-VIGN-70MM-F2-8.NEF.HTM
The 70mm F4 test shot exhibits -1.00 EV vignetting in the extreme corner of the image as measured inside LR with the default settings applied.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-z7/Y-JG-Z7-24-70-F2-8-5104-VIGN-70MM-F4.NEF.HTM
The 70mm F5.6 test shot exhibits -0.33 EV vignetting in the extreme corner of the image as measured inside LR with the default settings applied.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-z7/Y-JG-Z7-24-70-F2-8-5105-VIGN-70MM-F5-6.NEF.HTM
Exactly why Nikon chose not to better correct the F2.8 and F4 vignetting remains to be determined.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/lenses/nikon/z-24-70mm-f2.8-s-nikkor/review/
The 70mm F2.8 test shot exhibits -1.33 EV vignetting in the extreme corner of the image as measured inside LR with the default settings applied.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-z7/Y-JG-Z7-24-70-F2-8-5103-VIGN-70MM-F2-8.NEF.HTM
The 70mm F4 test shot exhibits -1.00 EV vignetting in the extreme corner of the image as measured inside LR with the default settings applied.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-z7/Y-JG-Z7-24-70-F2-8-5104-VIGN-70MM-F4.NEF.HTM
The 70mm F5.6 test shot exhibits -0.33 EV vignetting in the extreme corner of the image as measured inside LR with the default settings applied.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-z7/Y-JG-Z7-24-70-F2-8-5105-VIGN-70MM-F5-6.NEF.HTM
Exactly why Nikon chose not to better correct the F2.8 and F4 vignetting remains to be determined.
(Edited)
Thanks Rikk. I've added the most recent 70 mm shot (well, 66 mm to be exact) taken on last Saturday to the Dropbox folder I'd shared previously (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ds54p11r9weslnu/AABsaEEAVZfoQrLH3-Nneq1ka?dl=09
Todd Shaner, Champion
This is the cyan cast with camera neutral v2 and whites raised to +70 (i exaggerated to make the issue visible)
Todd Shaner, Champion
Guido, we really need to see an actual file. Even better Export one of the files with your settings to DNG file format as shown below. It will have your settings embedded so we can see what you see!
Sorry i don't have dropbox
Todd Shaner, Champion
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Todd Shaner, Champion
I can confirm what you are seeing. It appears that the original Camera Neutral profile and new Camera Neutral V2 profile are identical and exhibit the same issue, but their 'As Shot' WB Temp and Tint values are different. The intent of the V2 profiles is to better match the LR WB Temp an Tint values so this is expected.
Camera Neutral profile As Shot WB: 4150, -26
Camera Neutral V2 profile As Shot WB: 4450, +18
Adjusting WB to the below values makes the Camera Neutral profile and new Camera Neutral V2 profile renderings appear the same, but with the a slight cyan color shift in the sky. This may be reflecting the actual in-camera matching profile rendering. The WB value differences are probably due to the in-camera 'Auto' WB setting being influenced by the large yellow-green foliage area. You also have the in-camera Active D-Lighting set to Extra High, which LR cannot read and apply. That will change the image appearance when compared to an in-camera JPEG, the raw file's embedded preview, or using Nikon's raw editing software. I suggest leaving the Active D-Lighting in-camera setting OFF.
Camera Neutral profile WB: 5500, -47
Camera Neutral V2 profile WB: 5500, +10
Camera Neutral profile As Shot WB: 4150, -26
Camera Neutral V2 profile As Shot WB: 4450, +18
Adjusting WB to the below values makes the Camera Neutral profile and new Camera Neutral V2 profile renderings appear the same, but with the a slight cyan color shift in the sky. This may be reflecting the actual in-camera matching profile rendering. The WB value differences are probably due to the in-camera 'Auto' WB setting being influenced by the large yellow-green foliage area. You also have the in-camera Active D-Lighting set to Extra High, which LR cannot read and apply. That will change the image appearance when compared to an in-camera JPEG, the raw file's embedded preview, or using Nikon's raw editing software. I suggest leaving the Active D-Lighting in-camera setting OFF.
Camera Neutral profile WB: 5500, -47
Camera Neutral V2 profile WB: 5500, +10
Just one comment. With the Z6 and Z7, Lightroom actually does understand the active D-lighting settings. They are automatically applied by dialing in exposure compensation and highlights and shadows. This is done by the camera by writing camera raw xmp settings into the NEF files that are read and applied by Lightroom. These are the only current cameras where in-camera settings do transfer into Lightroom so in general you are right but not when it pertains to these two.
Thank you Todd for the explanation and support
Todd Shaner, Champion
Thanks for the correction Jao. The Nikon Z6 and Z7 are setting new ground when it comes to in-camera settings!
Guido, try using the Adobe Neutral or Adobe Standard V2 profile instead Camera Neutral V2. It doesn't appear to shift the sky color toward cyan so may be a better choice for this image. You can also try using the Adjustment Brush to paint in some Dehaze in the distant mountain and sky areas. Use any of the other brush settings as needed to achieve the desired rendering.
This uses Adobe Neutral with an Adjustment Brush of Dehaze 35 in the sky and mountain area and your original settings. You can tweak the Basic panel controls to improve the overall rendering to your taste. The LR Dehaze control works miracles on pulling detail out of the haze!
Guido, try using the Adobe Neutral or Adobe Standard V2 profile instead Camera Neutral V2. It doesn't appear to shift the sky color toward cyan so may be a better choice for this image. You can also try using the Adjustment Brush to paint in some Dehaze in the distant mountain and sky areas. Use any of the other brush settings as needed to achieve the desired rendering.
This uses Adobe Neutral with an Adjustment Brush of Dehaze 35 in the sky and mountain area and your original settings. You can tweak the Basic panel controls to improve the overall rendering to your taste. The LR Dehaze control works miracles on pulling detail out of the haze!
Ok i will try thank you Todd
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