Lightroom: Using ICC profile in print module produces wrong colors

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Using ICC profile in print module produces wrong colors. This is different behavior from earlier versions of LR.

Running Mac Sierra on MacPro with LaCie 724 calibrated monitor. Have used LR print module for years, selecting media type profile. Recently started printing again after several months hiatus. Colors do not come out right.
Using "soft proof" in develop shows that colors should be acceptable. Sunrise is yellow and orange in soft proof, magenta and rose in print.
If I choose "managed by printer" in print module, the colors reproduce well. So, colors are within gamut of printer, but LR is not applying profile correctly. Using e.g. Canon Pro 100 1/2 Canon Photopaper Pro Luster.
Note again, in develop soft proof the colors are right.
Running Canon Pixma Pro 100, selecting Photo Paper Pro Luster in print driver.
Since this used to work just fine, IMO there is a bug in the print module - not applying the correct profile.
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Yves Crausaz

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Même remarque pour Canon TS8050 Canon Glossy II... Les couleurs sont mieux reproduite si on utilise couleur gérées par l'imprimante !!

Same comment for Canon TS8050 Canon Glossy II. . . The colors are reproduced better if we use color managed printer !!
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I use this printer daily and the paper you mention as well. I am seeing no color issues. Soft-proofing matches paper and the result is superior to the Printer Managed Color. 

Sometimes weird behavior is corrected/cured by resetting the preferences. 

Reset Procedure:

1. Close Lightroom.
2. Hold down [Alt/Opt]+[Shift] while restarting Lightroom. 
3. Overwrite the Preferences when prompted by the dialog.
4. Close Lightroom.
5. Restart Lightroom.

Does the behavior continue after resetting the preferences?
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Thanks Rikk. Yes, resetting fixed the problem. So now you gotta ask "Why is that?"
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Environnement : macOS Sierra 10.12.5, LR CC 2015.12 Imac 27'' late 2013
Calibrage écran 5500 °K 80 cad
Imprimante Canon TS8050 Papier Canon Photo Paper Glossy II PP-201.
Le problème vient des Papiers Canon GP-501 et PP-201 qui rendent une dominante magenta, le papier Canson Photo Paper Satin 210 gr/m2 est neutre !

Surroundings: macOS Sierra 10. 12. 5, LR 2015. CC 12 Imac 27 '' late 2013
calibration screen 5500 ° K 80 cad
Printer Canon TS8050 Paper Canon Photo Paper Glossy II PP-201.
The problem is the Canon GP-501 and PP-201 Papers that make a magenta cast, paper Canson Satin Photo Paper 210g / m2 is neutral!
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Yves, Please see my comments on related thread. Resetting the preferences fixed the color problem for me. Adobe has a tip on this in the troubleshooting FAQ.  Basically, start LR by holding down option/alt and shift key, select "reset preferences". Then close LR and open again normally. This fixes a number of unexplained odd behaviors. 

Good luck
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Mes derniers commentaires ont été faits après un reset de LR, toujour les mêmes dominantes avec le profile ICC, sans le profile ICC et ceci pour les 2 papiers donnés, même les photos en n&b en sélection tons de gris dans le driver de l'imprimante ont cette dominante !, Je change de papier, Canson, plus aucune dominante... donc c'est bien le papier qui me pose se problème !

My last comments were made after a reset of LR, always the same dominant with profile ICC, without profile ICC and this for the 2 papers given, even the pictures in b * w in selection shades of gray in the driver of the printer have this dominant!, I change paper, Canson, no more dominant... so it's the paper that I have to problem!
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I have been looking around a bit. Here are some thoughts.
1. One of the experts said that a magenta cast is typical of double color management, meaning both LR and the printer driver are trying to manage color. If using LR to manage color, be sure the color management is turned off in the printer driver. For a Mac, this should be automatic. For windows, each printer driver has to be looked at to understand how to turn off color management.
2. In another thread, a user found that he has saved printing presets in LR. When LR was updated, the presets caused the problem. Solution is to eliminate any printer presets in LR.
3. Not likely, but be sure you have selected the correct ICC profile for the Canon papers in LR print module.
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Ok je comprends ce que vous me dites...
OK I understand what you are saying.

Avec le driver de l'imprimante via USB si Profil : profil ICC par LR , la concordance des couleurs est grisée, je ne peut rien choisir et elle semble fixée sur le ColorSync, ce qui confirmerait peut-être que le profile est utilisé deux fois. Mais je ne sais pas comment ne pas passer par le ColorSync.
With the driver of the printer via USB if Profile profile ICC by LR, the color match is grayed out, I can not choose anything and it seems fixed on the ColorSync, which would confirm that the profile is used twice. But I do not know how not to go through the ColorSync.




Avec le driver de l'imprimante via USB si Profil : géré par imprimante , la concordance des couleurs active et je dois choisir ColorSync ou Canon concordance des couleurs , j'ai choisis ColorSync, et l'impression est correcte.
With the printer driver via USB if printer-managed profile, color matching active and I have to choose ColorSync or Canon color matching, I have chosen ColorSync, and printing is correct.



Ce fonctionnement, me fait donc dire que automatisme de désactivation de ColorSync ne fonctionne pas quand on choisit de faire gérer les couleurs par LR
This operation makes me so say that automatism of ColorSync disabling does not work when you choose to manage the colors by LR 


Avec le driver via WIFI, je n'ai pas de gestion des couleur via le driver !
Si j'emploie ce driver via WIFI, les paramètres d'impression définis dans LR ne pas semble être correctement utilisés, la dominante magenta disparait ! Mais les couleurs sont mauvaise, la mise en page n'est pas très bien respectée si A4 sans bord.
With the driver via WIFI, I don't have the color via the driver management! If I use this driver via WIFI, printing settings defined in LR don't seem to be properly used, the dominant magenta disappears! But the colors are bad, the layout is not very well respected if A4 without edge. 





Encore pour vos informations.
Again for your information. 

Yves
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Regarding your first and second screen shots, they are the same as for my Mac. If I choose LR to manage print colors, then the driver shows color management options grayed out. This is as it should be, even though one of the options may be selected (dot in circle) - but still grayed out.
If I choose printer manages color, then the printer driver allows me to choose which color manager, and to make adjustments, if available. So, I think that is working correctly.
My printer is connected to the Mac via WIFI, and the printer driver is loaded on the Mac. It is just like your first and second screen shots, even using WIFI. I don't understand why yours is not the same.
With your LR CC license, you are permitted to use more than one computer. Perhaps you could load LR on a laptop and try printing from that. If it works properly, then the problem is in the LR on your iMac.
Everything I am reading points to double management of color. Perhaps you have something in LR that is corrupted and is not being reset properly. Perhaps you could delete your copy of LR and load it fresh from the net.

best of luck
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Merci pour les infos, j'ai aussi découvert que quand on sauve des paramètres d'impression dans le drivers de l'imprimante depuis LR, on les retrouve dans ce même driver si on imprime depuis une autre application ! Si on les supprime dans le driver de l'application, donc hors LR... ils ne seront pas supprimés quand le driver est utilisé depuis LR, donc le fait de créer des preset dans LR met à jour 2 locations.... Enfin j'arrête mes investigations lä, mais je vous donnerai un point dans quelques jours !

Thanks for the info, I also discovered that when we save the print settings in the drivers from the printer since LR, are found in this same driver if printing from another application! If we delete them in the driver of the application, so out of LR... they will not be deleted when the driver has been used for LR, so creating preset in LR update 2 rentals... Finally I quit my the investigations, but I'll give you a point in a few days! 


Thank's Yves