Lightroom 4: Book publisher variety, Please!

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I'd like to point out that, in Lightroom 4 beta, allowing a book to be exported as a PDF is probably worthless. As most book publishers manage to have unique book sizes, only Blurb has the sizes in the current book module. This wouldn't be worth diddly as a PDF sent to another publisher. Please consider either incorporating proper templates for more book publishers or allowing plugins from those publishers that will let the user determine where they want their book produced. Did you notice that Blurb uses CMYK?????? Not nice when coming from ProPhoto RGB.
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Hi Elizabeth, these are good ideas but this site works best if ideas are separated out individually so users can comment and vote on each one separately.

Please read this topic.

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

It's important to:

1. Not create topics that are laundry lists of ideas. Create a separate topic for each idea so users can vote and comment on individual ideas. If you do create a topic that's a laundry list of random ideas, community admins will mark it as "Not Planned" and ask you to separate out your ideas.
2. Do a search to see if a similar idea has already been submitted and add your vote/comments to existing topics before creating a new one. For example:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
2. Give your idea a title that says what the actual idea is.

Thanks.
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I love the CeWe Color books. A few years ago the where chosen to be the best print book service in Europe (TIPA awards).
http://www.cewecolor.de/en/home.html

I wish you could develop these books in Lightroom.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
The Book module: add CeWe Color books please please please.
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Not planned? Even though this thread is about the same age as a blog interview I read ... perhaps it's status could be updated to reflect the actual position on the subject.

Sorry Jeffrey ... where is the Laundry List?

Seems to me to Elizabeth's concern (and that of many other users) is but a single request and could be solved quite easily .... CUSTOM PAGE SIZES IN THE BOOK MODULE!

Does this indicate that Kevin Tieskoetter shared false information (nearly seven months ago) that there would be a method to create custom page sizes and templates in the Book module?

Kevin stated: "Yes! All of the templates we ship with Lightroom are made using Illustrator, and I'll be documenting the process for creating those. We've also successfully made templates using InDesign and the freeware tool called Scribus, so if you need templates in different sizes, you'll have a range of options."

Then he also stated in response to the interviewers question about other vendor support: "Yes, we are open to working with other publishers. In the short term, for any publishers who accept PDF files, they can create templates in their own sizes and publish them for Lightroom customers to use. Those customers can then upload the PDFs directly to the publisher's site. In the longer term, we're still evaluating exporting directly to more publishers."

So when was the decision made to not move forward with that effort?
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Butch, the Not Planned status is explained in Jeff's reply - "If you do create a topic that's a laundry list of random ideas, community admins will mark it as "Not Planned" and ask you to separate out your ideas." (I can see at least custom pages, multiple publishers and CMYK in there)

Custom pages request is being tracked as a separate feature request: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

There's good reason Adobe don't often share information before release. I'm sure Kevin wasn't purposely sharing false information, but you could safely assume he underestimated the size/complexity of that task. No one's said it's not happening, but it's not available at this point in time.
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Sorry, Victoria ... I see the title of this thread as pretty well-defined ... Elizabeth's comments were merely observations to her request ... custom pages would allow for multiple publishers ...I'll give you that the mention of CMYK is off track ... but it really is not a meandering appraisal that could confuse the issue either ... I don't see it as a "Laundry List" ...

This could have all been resolved if the Book module was not developed to be a one-trick pony tied to a single vendor ... to my knowledge, it is the ONLY piece of Adobe software that excludes the ability to set document page size ...

How long would the Print module have been supported by users if you could only print to Epson prints ... and use only a very limited list of paper sizes to print to? I'm sorry, but as far as I am concerned, Adobe really dropped the ball on the Book module ... and this site further exacerbates the situation ...
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Butch, you asked why it was marked as not planned, and I answered your question. It's not my place to overturn Jeff's decision, and this thread isn't the place to debate the pros and cons of this forum.

I've already posted a link to the custom pages request, and there's an active alternative printers request here: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh... Please feel free to vote on both requests.
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Unfortunately merges are permanent.

But, I agree with Butch. The title and the text itself seem pretty clear. And it's not a request for custom templates, but for an alternative to Blurb.

Maybe Jeffrey would like to review his decision...

I think the thread you linked to (frankly, I missed it when searching for merge candidates) should be linked here too (because this thread is older and already has merges).
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Is Jeffrey back from his sabbatical yet? Who's in charge at the minute? I'd be ok with it being unmarked too, but don't want to tread on toes.
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Victoria ... I vote regularly here ... but I often question why I should bother ...

For example ... export to jpeg from the Book module has currently 46 votes and has been implemented ... though it will only export spreads if you used a two page template ...

Conversely, the ability to create custom page sizes has 49 votes and has not been implemented ... defeating the whole purpose of export to jpeg ... to submit your book files to be printed by vendors other than Blurb ... an exercise in futility if you ask me ... offering the ability to export a file that can't be used just doesn't make sense to me ... though I am not disappointed they made the effort ... I have to wonder why they stopped so short of the finish line ...

I'm really getting to the end of my rope trying to grasp the concept of so many decisions that Adobe has made in the past year or more ... it just seems to me that they are straying further from what got them to this point ... not to mention that all the hoops to jump through and minutiae of "rules" on this feedback site must be adhered to to be taken seriously ...

If I want to offer feedback on Aperture 3 ... I simply only have to go to Menu>Aperture>Provide Aperture Feedback ... easy as pie to share my thoughts ...
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I understand your frustration Butch, believe me!

As far as the 46 vs. 49 votes, it would suggest to me that the export to JPEG code was more easily added, documented and quality controlled, and could therefore be done in the timescale available, whereas custom sizes was too complex for the timescale.

On a truly and unofficial personal level, I'd love to know if any of your Aperture suggestions have been implemented. I've suggested a few things to Apple myself over the years, but they seem to have ended up in a black hole.
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Not sure if Apple added any of the suggestions I made because I offered up some input ... but ... I don't have to request many of the same things I keep begging for here and elsewhere from Adobe for Lightroom ... because ... Aperture has had them all for a few years now ... Aperture 3 has had custom page sizes and jpeg export since Feb. 2010 ... I don't need to request it of Apple ... likewise for many of the same features I wish Adobe would consider and implement for the Slideshow module ... In fact, I know of at least six other pro wedding/portrait photographers that bought Aperture 3 (even though they prefer the RAW processing in Lr) just to use the Slideshow and Book features (they bought it before Lightroom had a Book module) ... so I can't believe for a minute if Lightroom had similar capabilities, that current Lr users who haven't "voted" for it yet wouldn't appreciate and extensively use them in Lr ...
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Butch...

"not to mention that all the hoops to jump through and minutiae of "rules" on this feedback site must be adhered to to be taken seriously ...
If I want to offer feedback on Aperture 3 ... I simply only have to go to Menu>Aperture>Provide Aperture Feedback ... easy as pie to share my thoughts ..."

True enough...but there is no, as in none, feedback provided by that process. At least here we get feedback from Adobe, although not always what one might want to hear. Personally, I've seen nothing implemented in Aperture that I've suggested, but more importantly I have no idea what other people think. I just wish this site were easier to use as I stated in the other forum.

And FWIW, I also think the "Not Planned" tag is off-base.
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Whatever happened to the alternate book publisher options? Blurb's reliability is spotty at best. Some happy customers, a number that aren't. How about something with Mpix? If Apple can have four others besides themselves, it can't be that hard to set something up.

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Lightroom? Alternate Book Publisher Options.
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I have a concern with your book module with Blurb as the only choice for book publishers. i find Blurb customer support a major problem. They are not very responsive to email support and they offer no telephone support as MyPublisher does. They do not offer any glossy paper options as MyPublisher does and their BookSmart view option does not accurately display images from your book. This is according to their tech support and they are aware of this bug but have to ETA on a fix. I would like to see other options made available for publishing.

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Lightroom: problems with Blurb support, really want other options.

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