Better Raw file handling for Lightroom

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Three things I'd like to see in Lightroom.
1. Import my canon picture styles with the raw file, like Canon's DPP does.
2. Give me a way to preserve the jpg image that is embedded in the raw file on import. When raw files are first seen in the grid view I can see the image with styles applied, then the preview is generated and the styled image is lost.
3. Give me an option to treat the raw files as sidecar files instead of just doint that with jpg. If I shoot jpg + raw I do so because I want to see the jpg and have the raw on hand in case I need to manipulate it.
Brian
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Rob Cole

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Good ideas Brian. If you are interested in work-arounds for the mean time:

- ISO Detailer (plugin) will do #1 *** (see note below).
- RawPlusJpeg (plugin) will do #2.
- #3: Consider importing separately and stack jpeg on top of raw. If you decide to process the raw, then reverse stack order.

*** note: @2014-05-05 camera emulation is provided for Nikon cameras only. But if you provide the info needed for your Canon, you or me can implement Canon settings next (it's not hard once the info is there..).
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Thanks for those suggestions Rob.
Meanwhile, I have found the "camera calibration - profile" allows me to set the canon styles, which works pretty well, but I'd like Lr to pickup the selected (in camera) style as well as sharpening, saturation and so forth, to apply to the raw during import.
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You're welcome Brian.

If you want to pursue more automated solutions via plugin for the mean time - let me know..

If you *don't* want to pursue plugin-based solutions, then the closest you can get now is to come up with presets, and apply them upon import, or after importing. Obviously, you have to figure out which to apply somehow when going that route, which may be the hardest part.

Also, Lr supports customization of defaults, so if you always prefer a little more or less saturation, you can set that as default..

A note of caution: Lr will not interpolate between ISO values, so if you use auto-ISO, your ISO-based defaults may not work.

One more thing: Lr supports customized camera profiles via DNG Profile Editor.
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I've been shooting with Canon DSLRs since 2004 (300D, 5D MKII, 600D) and abandoned in-camera picture styles in 2007 when Lightroom 1.0 was launched. I always felt that stopping to change camera settings took my focus off of the subject composition.

I quickly realized that shooting raw image files allowed me to establish my own "picture style" settings such as sharpening, saturation, and contrast inside LR after the shoot, and then use LR's tools to Sync or Copy & Paste these settings across image sets with the same subject composition. As you've discovered the 'Camera' calibration profiles closely emulate the in-camera picture style contrast and saturation. Develop presets allow you to add other settings such as ISO based Sharpening and Noise Reduction. Canon's DPP does a good job of applying in-camera picture styles to raw files, but it is slow and has poor highlight and shadow recovery compared to LR's PV2012 controls.

If you're shooting JPEGs or raw+JPEGs so you can quickly review processed images "on location" then picture styles have a definite benefit. IMHO-For anything else it's simply boxing yourself into a corner. What you see in the field and the picture style you select may be totally wrong when you review the images from inside LR (or any other raw editor). Using a "predetermined" picture style selected "on location" may actually give you a poorer "starting point" than LR's default settings.
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Indeed Todd - in my opinion, the only value for camera settings (other than basic exposure..) is:

* to evaluate exposure (e.g. a high-contrast profile is bad, and having ALO enabled may make you think exposure is higher than it was).
* if jpegs are needed before processing raw files.
* and *maybe*: as a reference for comparing Lr edits, until you get your raw-editing skills/confidence up. - I say "maybe" because you can also just load raws into mfr. software for comparison purposes.

There are some people who claim things like picture style serve as notes for post-processing, and/or help determine what/how to shoot - if that's really true for you, then so be it, but Lr will not support such - you have to either do without or use plugin(s).