Photoshop: Better Preset Organization (sub-folders, tag, search)

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I'd love a better way to organize brushes, shapes, and styles. Perhaps a way to tag them, then search or sort by tag.
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Add folder support for swatches. As I have to work on multiple projects per day, I would be more efficient than having to load my exernal swatches files (ase). In fact, I could be a little like Illustrator or even better! For instance, importing a folder directly from kuler would be a great addition.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Folders in swatches.
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http://forums.adobe.com/thread/520465...

A previous topic on this was started a while back. See the link above.

While there are organization tools via third party, hands down, other applications are ahead on this--including Corel, Painter, Manga Studio EX, and also type applications. I'd also like font management to come native to it. Details are in the link and there is a fair amount of support for the idea.

Be great to also be able to manage fonts and resources by project as well, for those of us who do things professionally. So if you use a font/resource, it automatically puts it into a panel. (Painter has similar functionality, so I know it can be done.)

Also, as mentioned in that thread, I'm pressing for being able to give the brush author credit in a meta-type set up, but optional... and also searchable.

Be great to have this across the board in all applications, not just Photoshop.
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Agreed. Painter, Sketchbook Pro and Manga studio have some great functionality, and have had for years. Like mirror/tile painting, real time brush rotation, stroke smoothing, ability to draw along specific angles are huge time- savers. Yet, Adobe tries to shove more lame features like 3D and Video into Photoshop...?

I love your comment. "for those who do things professionally..." yes. Listen to the professionals.
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Please try to understand that Photoshop serves many professionals in many different areas. Video professionals and 3D professionals also have different needs and requests (including many we have implemented).
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It would be great to have folders or groups for patterns in Photoshop. It get's messy when you have a large number.



This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Folders for patterns in Photoshop.
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Great idea!
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Suggestion: Associate color swatch groups with a file or provide controls for showing / hiding multiple swatch groups in the Swatches panel.

I typically deal with over 5 projects a day which all have different color requirements and it would be a great time-saver to be able to select a swatch group quick without importing it. Better still would be when my PSD opens the swatches would update, although I can see that being a preference which some users might want to disable.

Any traction for this one? Feedback is appreciated!

Swatch Panel


This reply was created from a merged topic originally titlted
Improved Swatch Group Management.
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Swatch sets are already files, and there is already a menu for changing them at the top right of the palette.
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Chris - I see that now... by copying the swatch into the "Color Swatches" directory and restarting Photoshop, you get the file name as an option from the drop down. I was of the opinion that that folder wasn't for specific, project-related swatch files since it initially contains industry recognized color sets. Thanks for showing me this!
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Sub folders in the Brushes and Tools menus would be very easy to implement and make organising brushes much easier. For our digital painting work we use several sets of brush tools- one for high resolution natural media artwork, one for low-res cartoons, etc. Currently these are all kept in one very long list. Constantly Loading and Replacing brushes or tools is far from an ideal solution. Just allow sub folders in the drop-down!
Also- the brushes that show up in the Menu Bar Brushes drop down (usually displayed on the left) are not the same as those displayed in the Brush Tip Shape window of the Brushes Panel (usually displayed on the right). They do not sync- if you create a new brush and save it in to a set, or even before this, just when you have created a new brush, it should show up in both lists in the same place.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Brush and Tool Organisation.
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Please add folders / organization support for photoshop brushes. I hate how i cant organize my brushes in photoshop ( properly). I would LOVE it if I could create folders for brushes and organize them the way I want. I dont want to have to create brush sets and load and unload them. I want All my brushes available at all times in a Folder hierarchy. Allow the user to name and organize brushes into folders for easy and costumize access.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Brush Organization / ADD FOLDERS!!!!.
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What I did before I experienced the power of using JavaScript for presets was using several letters before the actual name of the tool because PS sorts them by name. So I had like
br Cubic brush
br Round brush
ddg Hard Dodge
ddg Soft Dodge
mx Amazing oils
mx Mixer Brush

But now I just use JS dialogue window to chose different tools


Too bad this only works with tool presets. So native solution would be better.
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you must share these goings on here. :P
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Here is my two cents.
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Nicely done, though a few users have asked for things such as search, meta data update, and though Adobe has outright said no, a few users have asked to do away with the preset manager so we can manage the brushes and so on in the brushes panel, make a folder on the fly, rather than have to go up to the edit menu, which would work much like the action panel does now. (i.e. Less clicks to both update the strokes spacing presets at the same time as naming the brush. There is a Brush palette for fiddling with spacing, etc... but you won't be able to manage folders, name, etc on the fly? You have to go to a separate menu? Redundancy is good, but do it right.t remember what they look like. Solution.
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Had a longer post screw it. Didn't know there was an imposed word limit. *cough*
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This would be a GREAT solution ! ADOBE LISTEN AND MAKE THIS A very SOON JDI!
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Recently used brushes are available in the brush pickers in Photoshop CC 2014.

Which in fact is useless because every time you change brush size it's saved to the picker.
Meaning that after 5 minutes you have only one brush there. By why do I need 7 instances of the same brush when I actually need different brushes?
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atharil - I was a member of the CS4 and CS5 test team. But since then Adobe does no longer seam to use beta testers the same way anymore.

Brett N - Will you please comment on this? How does Adobe intent to conduct beta testing for the new CC releases ?
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We still do beta testing the same as before, there hasn't really been a change there.
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I've applied.
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I agree - the brush size alone should not make for a new preset. This way the "recent" brushes palette becomes indeed close to useless!
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Whether or not you get separate entries in the recent list after changing the brush size depends on whether or not the brush preset you picked has the size included. If it does not, then you will only get one entry in the recent list regardless of how many different sizes you use the brush at (like you're asking for).

Is creating and using brush presets that don't capture the size an option for you? If not, why do you want to include the size in the brush preset but not care about the size in the recent list (or are you using factory presets or presets from other users that have the size captured)?
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Let's petition Anastasiy for this! The guy who made MagicPicker for PS can make Brush organization a candy!
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Derrick Barth

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An animated teaser this time =)
More info coming soon, guys!  Will post more gifs of the various features, and a preview video.

In this gif you can see how the folders behave the way you're used to with layer groups, eg. double clicking the name to change it, collapsing folders, and reorganizing them.  The colors and layout are not final, still being polished.

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Also, interested in the beta, keep me posted.
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Hey Derrick. Any news on this maybe? :) It would work perfectly fine with this UI for the beta version I think. 
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Derrick Barth

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Hey there!  Been making tons of progress... I'm excited to say that I got Tool Presets working over the weekend!

I appreciate your patience... the UI is 95% there and I certainly don't mind having you guys test it while it's still in its rough stages (what you don't see in my gifs are all my test buttons, sliders, etc which look rather messy), just a bit of cleanup and it'll be ready I think.  What I'm spending a lot of time on is overall stability, memory, and usability of the tool.

I also need to do other things like set up a website, mailing list, and register my company!  I'll try to have the mailing list setup ASAP so you guys can sign up for that and get updates.  And then I'm still hoping to get the beta going this month!
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Fantastic Derrick! I was happy for brush organization but all my brushes are Tools for the wider options that are saved. Very excited you were able to add them to your plugin. Please sign me up to be a Beta tester.
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You sir, are my hero!
Really looking forward using and testing this awesome feature.
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Hey guys, I decided to write about a panel I'm making too. 
It's different from what Derrick is doing and more about keeping specific tools in sight (brush presets and tool presets) and workflow. Here's a preview video and the panel will be ready in two weeks or so.

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That's pretty cool also! Me wants that too!
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Derrick Barth

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An update for you guys... thank you for your patience.  Believe me, I'm working every free hour I have on this thing.  Beta is coming soon =)

Tool Presets support is IN!  Load your .tpl files in addition to your .abr's.  Organize them into folders.  Enjoy life!

I wonder if "BrushBox" is still a good name to use since it can also do Tool Presets, not just brushes... what do you guys think?

Here's a new gif showing Thumbnail view and List view.  Double-click names to rename just like you're used to.  Also you can change your icon sizes.  The buttons at the bottom are temporary, please excuse them!  Oh and you can see the filter there at the top, just like how the Layers one works.

What would YOUR favorite layout be?  Large thumbnails?  Small list with names?  Anything else you can think of that I should add?

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Looks great! I would personally mostly use "Small list with names" mode.
Can't wait to try it out!! ;)
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Derrick Barth

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Thank you so much for your patience, my friends.  BrushBox is nearly finished, with loads of improvements added over the last couple months.  Stay tuned for an official release date!

In the meantime, here's an updated look at the UI, showing the slider for changing the icon size, featuring tool presets by Kyle Webster:
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This is wonderful. I suggest you set up a little web site or at least a Facebook page for this. I am definitely interested in it as soon as it is available!
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Thank you for the great reception, guys.  I'll be setting up a page and mailing list soon and will post the details here!
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This is a great solution for brushes, but I believe this doesn't get Adobe off the hook since the request was for a preset manager, which includes a whole lot more. I believe that takes greater integration since Corel Painter, etc has a way to figure out which brushes were used for the project or last, etc. Also memory for what colors were used last beyond 2.
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Hi Rachel, thank you for the comment. I agree, there's still a long way to go, but hopefully BrushBox will be a good start. The good thing is that this is something I can add features to over time to meet user demand. For example, I initially was only supporting brushes but I added tool preset support because there was a lot of demand for it.
Believe it or not, features like remembering brushes for specific documents is actually something I could add. Probably not for the initial release, but as an update.
So don't give up hope, we can make BrushBox the tool you need it to be!
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I have created a gumroad account where the plugin will be sold so you guys can start following my progress!  Just enter your email here and you'll be up to date on the plugin and it's pending (mid-November-ish) release!

https://gumroad.com/derrickbarth/follow
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Guys have you seen this? Last week Anastasiy team (MagicPicker creators) finally released Brush panel for Photoshop CC2015 and CS6 with brush folders organization, drag'n'drop, custom files support etc......

I was a beta tester and I'm no longer under NDA so I can finally post it here. Petitioning developers does work! Everything I was asking for is there already and all the bugs are removed with my help lol

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I just bought it. It seems cool from the feature list but cant seem to load a lot of brushes.  I have a file of maybe 150 plus brushes from over the years.
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Sometimes it takes it a while to load big files... I tried it with 80MB file with 200 brushes (not mine lol) and it took it like 1.5 minutes to load.  After that it was very fast.
They promised to improve loading time in the next versions.
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Congratulations to Anastasiy on the launch!
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Derrick Barth

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My friends, I have a mailing list you can sign up for to stay up to date on BrushBox!  Go here to my gumroad page and simply enter your email: https://gumroad.com/derrickbarth/follow

I'll also be calling for a few more beta testers so please sign up!  I want your tool to be as robust and professional as possible before the mid-November-ish release!

While we're at it, I wanted to share another gif of BrushBox loading a huge abr file (180 MB) containing over 1,000 brushes which it handles with ease:


Not to mention, BrushBox only uses about 100-200 MB of RAM (so no "out of memory" errors or crashes here!) and only 10-20 MB of hard drive space.

Here are some other high level features I think you guys will appreciate:
  • 100 % compatibility with every ABR and TPL file ever made, going all the way back to 1996!
  • ...Even the odd-ball brushes types that aren't used by many.  16bit? 32bit? you got it... BrushBox will load them
  • 1-for-1 matches your  Preset Manager.  If you see it in Preset Manager, you see it in BrushBox.  If you delete/rename it in Preset Manager, you delete/rename it in BrushBox... and the reverse is true too!
  • Easy installation, easy way to fix things if something goes amiss.  Zero head scratching required.
  • Looking at about a $15 price tag though that is not final, and there may be some preorder initiatives for the early birds, so sign up at my link!
BrushBox will be the true preset manager replacement you've been waiting for, and your wait is soon coming to an end!  
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Looking great Derrick and I am so eager to try it out! The Gumroad.com page doesn't seem to be working though. 
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looks great!

i am working with 400mb+ abr s and tpl , and i really wouldnt mind if it takes a few seconds the first time it loads, if it is then instant all the moments after that.
i could beta-stress-test it too if you want. davidnatura @ gmx . net
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Derrick Barth

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400mb+ files are no problem.

Just now I did a test using a 415 MB tpl file containing 324 presets.  It took 3 seconds to load.  RAM usage is 116 MB, hard drive space was 2 MB.

Keep in mind I'm running a desktop machine with an i5 processor, but I get very similar results on my Macbook Air.

I'll be in touch, thank you for volunteering!
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Looks like gumroad was doing some maintenance today, sorry guys... please sign up for the mailing list!  I've started reaching out for beta testers to help me finish strong!

https://gumroad.com/derrickbarth/follow
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beta test interested too! vylewind@yahoo.com