Photoshop: Better Preset Organization (sub-folders, tag, search)

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I'd love a better way to organize brushes, shapes, and styles. Perhaps a way to tag them, then search or sort by tag.
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Flemming Krøll

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I know it not yet Christmas but....

I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish for a better organization of brushes.

PLEASE ADOBE. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE .......! Pretty Please!

I Promice to be a Nice and help everyone in need...
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Chris Cox

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Recently used brushes are available in the brush pickers in Photoshop CC 2014.
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Hello,
Recently used brush are not as useful as having the ability to categorize brushes under specific folders (like what people are describing here).
Please consider changing that as it will be one of the most useful things you can do for artists.
Regards,

Roi
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Agreed. Its the same concept of the iphone when it introduced folders to help categorize all the many many apps on your phone. Its the same principle here with brushes. There no effective way to categorize right now.
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Recently used brushes are available in the brush pickers in Photoshop CC 2014.

Which in fact is useless because every time you change brush size it's saved to the picker.
Meaning that after 5 minutes you have only one brush there. By why do I need 7 instances of the same brush when I actually need different brushes?
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Flemming Krøll

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atharil - I was a member of the CS4 and CS5 test team. But since then Adobe does no longer seam to use beta testers the same way anymore.

Brett N - Will you please comment on this? How does Adobe intent to conduct beta testing for the new CC releases ?
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Brett N, Official Rep

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We still do beta testing the same as before, there hasn't really been a change there.
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atharil

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I've applied.
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Marcia Funebre

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I agree - the brush size alone should not make for a new preset. This way the "recent" brushes palette becomes indeed close to useless!
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Whether or not you get separate entries in the recent list after changing the brush size depends on whether or not the brush preset you picked has the size included. If it does not, then you will only get one entry in the recent list regardless of how many different sizes you use the brush at (like you're asking for).

Is creating and using brush presets that don't capture the size an option for you? If not, why do you want to include the size in the brush preset but not care about the size in the recent list (or are you using factory presets or presets from other users that have the size captured)?
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Same here - happy to see this new feature but no need to see same brush with different sizes used. At least this could be customized in some preferences ;)
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Sergey Kritskiy

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By the way since my last post with brushes panel 2 years ago I made this script public, if anyone interested > http://hundredsofsparrows.com/index.p...

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Please give me an easy way to switch between Brush Sets!.


I'm a painter. I work in animation. I would like an easy way to switch between organized brush sets. Rather than only being able to replace or add brushes, I would like tabbed brush sets. Currently I have a huge set of brushes that I have to scroll through. I'd prefer to be able to quickly access smaller sets of brushes. Being able to organize my brushes in this way (with tabs or a drop down selector for multiple sets) would be a huge help. Every show I work on has a different basic set of brushes. When I'm freelancing on several shows, switching back and forth is a real pain.

Is there an easy way to do this currently?
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Just save your brushes in sets, and load each set you want - the brush selector menu will list the files.

There are no tabs currently.
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Yeah thats what a lot of people seem to want a better way to organize a huge collection of brushes similar to how you can organize layers. Im finding that a lot of the issues we have with photoshop that arent aimed to improve workflow other art applications do but photoshop is the best overall experience so we keep coming back. Also hello Ashby Manson! I wanted to contact you by email but I cant find a way to do that anywhere. Your work is great. Im looking to get into the animation world myself background painting and such. Still working on my cartoony side of the portfolio. (www.coreyloving.com) Anyway advice my friend?
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Also, you know I sometimes wish adobe could ask us what would we like to see in the next update. Ask us what would help us on our day to day workflow as artist in general. Similar to how game companies put out Beta's and let their audience test the game and tell them what they need to improve before its released. I wish photoshop could do the same. I wish we could participate along the development , WHILE its developing. I think it would not only benefit adobe , but us aswell the users.
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We are doing that (and have been for a LONG time) - right here, and in our prerelease testing.

But we have to balance thousands of requests from millions of customers - there is only so much we can do at one time.
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Is there a way in cs6 2014 to alphabetize the brushes? If not there should be imo
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Marcia Funebre

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You should be able to do this, also put them in custom categories, sort them by date added and other criteria. Simple database programming... One would think.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Better Swatch management.

Photoshop NEEDS better swatch management functionality. Currently if you load swatches and need to delete the original colors, you have to drag each one -- individually -- to the trash. Photoshop should have similar functionality to Illustrator's swatch capabilities.

Items like this could really help:
- Load swatches in a separate swatch palette that allow for easy use
- Delete swatches as a selected group, rather than dragging individual swatches
- Group swatches using folders/subsets
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Use the Preset manager.
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This is extremely poor usability. There was ZERO information about how to manage swatches in Help topics within Photoshop. A Google search turned up information about the Preset Manager, but if you don't know you're looking for the Preset Manager (and have never heard of it) then there's no way you'd know what you were looking for. The term "Preset" means nothing to most designers and needs to made more visible and clearer.

My new request is to include this information in Photoshop's native Help files. Currently, searching for swatches in Help simply points out where to locate the swatches toolbar.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Ability to organize brushes into folders.

I would like to group and organize brushes into folders. A smarter navigation to find the desired brush would also be helpful.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled brush list organization.

I noticed in the brush list in Photoshop that adobe has dividing lines in the list. How about giving us the same ability so we can organize our brushes into groups or sub menus to keep the list shorter.
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I suggest the new presets organization should be scriptable and centralized for teams and companies that have many editors working.

I can access properties of a brush type tool preset inserting the most of its properties by script (depending on whatever I want - amount of pixels present, xmp property, or exif property) but I cannot put all properties like Opacity (or 'range' for the Burn brush friendly tool).

I found this very helpful when I want to integrate it on a multiuser team editors allowing them to use the same daily updated Preset Styles and using the same quality standard techniques.
Its the only way to make sure everyone user the company retouching standards.

I have manage to detect if the user has the specific same name style preset, getting its index;
If so, delete it and load the same name style preset from a common network.

This example reloads 2 style presets:

This is important:
First you must create an *.asl file saving all the style presets you want to update daily. This *.asl file should contain all the Style Presets I want my team to have.
on our common network.
You can have lots of presets inside that asl file which could be read automatically by script, but to make my point I use here the example of 2 presets on this asl file.

var stylesFile = File("/myNetwork/myASLstylesFile.asl");
// the style presets I want to delete by their names (all the presets included in the ASLstylesFile.asl file)
get_and_deleteStylePreset_byName("my1stPreset");
get_and_deleteStylePreset_byName("my2ndPreset");
// reload my file asl with my 2 Styles Prests
app.load(File(stylesFile));
//
function get_and_deleteStylePreset_byName(name) {
var grid_farfetch_Number = 0;
var grid_farfetch_getproportional_number = 0;
var ref = new ActionReference();
ref.putEnumerated( charIDToTypeID("capp"), charIDToTypeID("Ordn"), charIDToTypeID("Trgt") );
var appDesc = executeActionGet(ref);
var List = appDesc.getList(stringIDToTypeID('presetManager'));
var presetNames=[];
var list = List.getObjectValue(3).getList(charIDToTypeID('Nm ')); // 3: styles | 4: patterns
for (var i = 0; i < list.count; i++) {
var str = list.getString(i);
if (String(str) == name) grid_farfetch_Number = i+1;
presetNames.push(str);
}
// delete the found style preset (if exists)
if (String(grid_farfetch_Number) != '0') {
var desc103 = new ActionDescriptor();
var list6 = new ActionList();
var ref78 = new ActionReference();
ref78.putIndex( charIDToTypeID( "Styl" ), grid_farfetch_Number );
list6.putReference( ref78 );
desc103.putList( charIDToTypeID( "null" ), list6 );
executeAction( charIDToTypeID( "Dlt " ), desc103, DialogModes.NO );
}
}
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop needs a more comprehensive way to view/manipulate ABR files.

I don't understand why there still isn't a feature, outside of the outdated preset manager, to view ABR files (and others tools) and allow you to customize them. I would like something like abrMate that allows me to move specifically selected brushes to a new ABR file so that I don't have to import a billion brushes at once. Also, the fact that we even need a preset manager is ridiculous when it comes to manipulating you brush palette. I'm sure there are plenty of you that have wished that you didn't have to open the preset manager just to move a preferred brush somewhere else in the listing so that you wouldn't have to scroll all the way to the bottom to find it. Grouping would be nice too.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop Brushes - Can I get some organization yo?.

Photoshop brushes - There should be a way to organize the loaded brushes - .Maybe a folder system or something where you can twirl down to find your brush. Make it so Adobe!
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Adobe better get moving before Affinity photo takes over. A friend that has it on his mac says it's totally customizable and includes what he refers to as brush drawers where he can keep specific brushes
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Tool Preset Panel Search Bar.

It would be great if there was a search bar in the Tool Presets panel. Would make finding brushes easier when you have a lot. For example I have a ton of custom brushes and tools from Kyle Webster. A search bar would mean I could type the name and it would narrow them down.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Add sorting/collapsible groups to Brush Picker tool..

For the longest time I have been frustrated with Photoshop's brush set organizer. It would be an immensely helpful feature to be able to better sort brushes within the brush preset picker. Specifically be able to categorize brushes or sort them into their own folders/labels that could be collapsed/expanded directly in the brush picker. Instead of having a huge list of brushes you have to scroll through to find a specific brush, they could be grouped and organized by the user for their specific needs. This one feature would go a long way to bring the functionality of the brush picker up to date and make it more functional and efficient for users that work with a great number of brushes on a daily basis.
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I'm following this topic since I posted my ideas about year ago and my conclusion, based on PS CC 2014 are:

- First of all we need more advanced importing/exporting Preset manager for brushes. Why I can't see what file I'm opening/ what brushes I am importing. Currently using Brush Pilot app but well...

- Brushes should be applied to 'virtual' folders. I want to browse all brushes at once and easily assign them to group for current project and, if necessary, export this group to a file.
Corel Painter has really nice option for creating palette of used brushes. I believe Adobe can go even further with this.
- Brush preview should be scaled up dynamically, not just small/big thumbnail. I have big issue on previewing brush thumbnails on MBP retina 15". (even on Large Thumbnail)
- Brush thumbnail and Brush strokes - I want to see those two at the same time because thumbnail is not always the same as stroke (see preview).
- naming brushes and SEARCH option - similar you did with layers!

last but not least (this was mentioned several times):
- Brush presets > Recent brushes - I want to turn on/off whether PS show different brushes only, or different sizes for same brush. At this moment Recent brushes is basically useless when I'm painting with changing brush size almost all the time.

I strongly believe current UI is not working for advanced brush preview and organisation. Yet don't think any of previously posted user screenshots can sort it out.

Adobe - don't let us wait more for updating managing brushes feature!

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Just read the Sergiy Bezruchko post, I'm sure moderation will remove asap but in the meantime- lol. He's saying what we're all thinking! :)
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It's not that this idea is inherently hard to do, but I know it's completely boring program, though it's one of the longest running and most popular of the ideas for Photoshop, the ones that came after and were done were interesting to program because they had new fangled things to them.

And most of the UX before were easy fixes. This lies between boring and nothing new since they are repeating something over 10-20 years old in concept--which is why it should have been done around that time anyway. And if I know programmers, they hate this part the most.

Hey, if it makes the programmers feel better, you can always use a search which features no need to press the search button, but finds it as you type it. But that's about as new as it gets with making folders and giving credit to the creators for things like presets and fonts. Though I would think being able to attach a folder to a project as you work might be an interesting aspect for the professionals to try to do a little better.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Preset groups or folders for easy orgnization.

would be nice to have tree/accordion view for Actions in button mode. also groups/folders for multiple presets like ACR develop presets, LUT preset list.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled -Brush idea.

I am very happy with the the pop-up brush presets remembering latest brushes. BUT for a long time i wanted to be able to distinguish my brushes QUICK. Couldn't you let the user giver the brush a name AND a color so I quickly can see my BEST brushes. or even have grouping possibility of brushes.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Brush Organization.

I like most of us have a ton of brushes and the way Adobe allows "sets" to organize is just not enough. Can we in the near future look forward to custom name or keyword driven searches of brushes?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Improving the preset panel with nesting folders..

It would be very helpful to have nested folders for preset. That way I could have my name on a folder a and have subfolders for things such as exposure and highlights. With the use of subfolders it would speed workflow up.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled user interface suggestions.

Hello.
I think it could be great to add color highlight option in tool presets window. Something similar to what we have in layers window. it could help to classify the tools and help us to "find the right tool" faster.
Also ability to update tool presets could be helpful. as checkbox for updating every adjustment, or a button to save adjustments made to current tool.

and one more: while i work i adjust the working space on the fly by moving opened windows around a lot. For example moving the color window closer to the area i work with. It takes extra aim to click the bar above the window to pick it up. It would be great if if i could by click ctrl+LMB anywhere on any window to pick it up and move it around. (not necessary ctrl+lmb)

Cheerz :)
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This forum works best if you post one idea per topic - so they can be discussed and voted on separately (and merged into the existing topics separately).
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Folders and color coding in brush list/preset manager.

The number of brushes often snowball if you're an illustrator/painter.

It would be great to be able to sort brushes into folders and/or color code them in order to easily create categories without having to go through the extra steps of loading new brush libraries.

The functionality of sorting the brushes into folders and color coding them could exist in the preset manager.
In the right click brush list you should then be able to expand/contract the folders just like in the layers menu.