Lightroom Classic: Batch rename errors

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Batch rename in LR Classic using meta data tool 

( originally posted on LR classic forum 28May , but no responses. L  ) 

 

hi, 

 

I used the batch rename tool in the meta data tool to rename a large selection of photo's in a catalog in a LR classic.  The rename seemed to work well, and the edited setting are still intact but I have a question about the actual image files in the image folder.  I was expecting the raw image files to be "renamed".  Looking at the files in the folder, the images were copied and then renamed.  the originals are in the folder as well as the newly named files.  the times stamps seem to match between the old and new names, so I assume all went well.   the LR catalog doesn't show images with 'unknown location'. so I guess they are pointed to the newly named files.?

BUT i'm a little leary of deleting the 2300 original named files, all _DSCxxxx.     It confusing that the utility did not just 'rename' the image files but copied and renamed them, which was not really discussed in any of the help videos.  ( really excellent one from Ben Wilmore) which showed batch renaming, but didn't really open the folder with the files in it.

 

note:  these are in a catalog from 2010, which Ihave updated.   In more recent years, I use Adobe Bridge to rename all my RAW files before importing them into LR classic, but I have a few old catalogs that need to be cleaned up to make all my file name uniform.   

 

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I have a catalog with both RAW + jpeg files in.  i did a test batch rename on  1 pair of photos.  ( the pair of RAW + jpeg) that have the same name.  The RAW + jpeg photos in the image folder seem to have actually renamed correctly,  that is, the same name for both files, except one is .NEF and one .jpg.   HOWEVER, in the LR catalog, the RAW file has been renamed, but the jpeg file created an error 

that the file could not be renamed !!! when in fact, the actual file in the image folder has been renamed.   so now I have a ' ! ' on the jpeg image in the catalog.   I can't rename files one at a time, and then go find the file and make the connection and hope LR will change the name appropriately ( or maybe it just links the two, and leaves the name incorrect !! ) 

 

Since the 'batch rename' worked with 2 photos,  is there some large batch fail, where it copies and renames, instead of just renaming. 

I  have 2300 images, that i'm not sure if I have duplicated copies?   HOW can I determine they are true duplicates. ?

 

= = = = = 

 I can use Adobe bridge ( my go to tool for renaming , right out of my camera ) , and 

Make a new catalogue, but then I loose all my edit info .  which isn’t an option.  

thank you

 
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wake up Adobe !!! is this how you delight your customers.  can't contact support on the adobe web site, and you just ignore problems reported here.   pretty poor performnace !.  
this is a real problem, and i'm stuck until someone helps me resolve it.   Thank you
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Hi wheel, sorry for the delay replying. We haven't had any other reports of issues like this, which makes me suspect there was a good reason why Lightroom couldn't rename the photos. My most likely suspect would be some kind file/folder permissions problem, so that would be the first thing to rule out.

You haven't mentioned which operating system or Lightroom Classic version number you're using. You'll find that in Help menu > System Info. And perhaps you could help us understand a little more about your setup, particularly in terms of where the photos themselves are stored.
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hello Victoria,  

 thank you so much for your reply.    here is my computer setup. 
macbook pro, retina, mid 2012, 16 GB ram, 512SSD hard drive.   macOS High Sierra, 10.13.5, lightroom classic CC, v 7.4, ( the most recent release) .   All my raw photos are on a external powered (110v) hard drive, Hitachi LS-1000-US.  it connects to my macbook through a usb port.  All the images are inside a master folder called 'images'.  My LR catlogs are on a separate Seagate slim portable drive for mac, 512 GB, which is powered through the usb port.  I have been using this setup for months and everything works fine.  I can open any catalog , and all the photos are located properly and I can edit, etc.  

I started a project to try and clean up and consolidate my raw photos.  most of my recent years photos , i've renamed using Bridge CC (2018) or earlier version.  I have had a cloud subscription since it was offered.  I also have used the metadata tool to rename  hundreds as they were imported into LR, so all of that is ok.  i use a custom format, yymmdd_txt_0001 which works well.   

Some of my old photos that I want to reorganize have the old default nikon name structure, and it I combine them into a larger folder, but the names will conflict, and I want to update to the standard structure above.    

A few old photos & catalogs had very few edits, so I just renamed them in bridge and then made a new catalog, figuring I didn't loose very much.  

BUT when I have a large catalog with 2300 photos in it,  i can't use the bridge file, as I when then have all new photos and LR can't find them.  OR i have to tell LR where they are , one at a time, because it can't find them.    in a catalog and image folder with only a couple hundred images, the meta data rename tool worked fine.    in the large catalog / folder, it appeares to have copied and renamed all 2300 photographs, but I can't verify all of them.   I looked at a couple and they look the same, but now I have 4600 images !!   half with the new name and half with the old name.  but I can't be sure they were all done??    if there were any privilege problem, it would not be able to create the new files?  and it worked on smaller folders.

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and there is also the problem where I had RAW + jpg shot together , in camera,  and the photo files in the folder seemed to rename correctly ,  same names with one .RAW and one .jpg ,  
but inside the LR catalog, the RAW was successfully renamed, but there was an error message popup and the jpeg file didn't get named.  so there is no file to associate the file in LR with the photo in the image folder.  Luckily I only did one photo as a test, and I never shot too many as RAW + jpeg, before switching to only RAW.  But it still seems to be a Bug ( not a feature)

if anyone wants my photos and catalogs, I'll put them somewhere.  Adobe cloud maybe, if there is enough room ? 

hope this helps.

regards, and thank you 
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I'd be happy to take a look and see if I can reproduce it with your catalog and photos. Adobe Cloud would work, or zip them up and use www.wetransfer.com to send them to me at uploads AT lightroomqueen DOT com 
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Hello Victoria,    I thought I had responded to you long ago ( I was traveling) but I don't see it here or anywhere.   I don't think there is anything damaged about my catalog or photos.  would it be possible to just create a catalog , and folder with say 2000  Raw photos and then try to rename them.  I have renamed a catalog with only a few hundred and it was ok.  But this large catalog blew up.   It seems like many leaders are saying that you only need one catalog for all your pictures, which could easily be 100's of thousands of photos,  so I'm pretty confused how I can't rename them.    Thank you. 
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The number of photos shouldn't affect that. The biggest catalog I know of is over 7 million photos!

Yes, you can just create a catalog and folder of 2000, but that probably won't display the same issue. 

You said this issue only happens with raw+jpeg files?  So select a bunch of the problem raw+jpeg files and go to File menu > Export as Catalog. Set it to export to the desktop or somewhere like that, check include originals and selected photos. Then try sending me that.
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not what I meant to say.   Raw + jpeg is a separate problem.   The copy/rename instead of just rename is a folder with 2300 Raw images in it.    The two problems are separated by the --- --- --- divider.    hope that clears  that up.  how should I proceed.   Thank you 
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Hmmmm, ok.

I've just renamed 3004 photos in one go, same LR version, on 10.13.6. It's not copying then renaming the files on my system, but just renaming the existing files, which makes me think there's a system-specific problem, most likely with file permissions.

For a test, try moving a bunch of the photos to the computer's internal drive (within LR's folders panel, so you don't lose edits) and then try renaming those using LR. If that works perfectly, that might offer some clues.
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Thank you Victoria.   I will send you a catalog of RAW + jpeg, and I'll try a litte test on my internal drive.  Are you able to test renaming files on an external drive?  However, my entire  photo catalog  will not fit, .  I  bought new 2 TB  external  Gdrive for my photos.  The reason I was trying to rename old photos was to get rid of the nikon default _DSCxxxx names, and standard custom names so I can combine into a few cataloges and still know the history.   if there is a permission  problem, just more digging.   I thought I had renamed a smaller group of files on my external drive, but I'll have test that again.   Thank you.  
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The photos I tested were on an 8TB USB drive. I renamed from the camera names (a mix of iPhone, Olympus and Sony) to YYYYMMDD-HHMMSS date based name.
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Hello Victoria, 
I ran some test this morning and i have results and some questions.  

1-  I copied a folder of 1600 RAW files on the external Hitachi  1 TB drive.  I created a new catalog on my laptop SSD drive and imported all the RAW files.  I then renamed them to YYMMDD_test_5001 All 1600 files renamed correctly in the folder on the Hitachi drive with no errors.  I did not edit in LR  but it seems OK.  

2.  I created a new catalog on my Segate  drive, USB powered 500 GB , and imported all 1600   renamed RAW files.   I select 1000 photos and renamed them to YYMMDD_test2-SG_10,001. All 1000 photos renamed correctly in the folder on the Hitachi drive with no errors .

I have   some images of my finder .    
 ----  copy of  RAW images   on Hitachi  drive -----



----  renamed Raw files on Hitachi drive from new LR catalog  on laptop ssd drive ----




---- renamed RAW files on Hitachi drive from new LR catalogue on Seagate drive --- 




** So I guess that there is something corrupted in my catalog.  I could edit the photo's ok, so it's rather odd.    All the catalogs on my seagate were originally on my laptop , But I ran out of space, and decided to consolidate all the catalogs on my segate drive.  

3.   I have a new 2 TB , Gdrive mobile,  for my catalogs and other files.  I also have a new Gdrive 4TB desktop drive, 110v,  to backup both my laptop ssd drive, and the Gdrive mobile, and store all my RAW photo files 

4. I don't know how to handle the logistics for this migration.   A lot of the old catalogs have photos that have been edited, and of course I don't want to loose that. 

- if I rename the photo's , say in 'Bridge'  and move them to the new drive, then the catalogs won't be able to find them, even if use "find missing photos',  it only works for a single. photo, and doesn't update the others.  It would be nice it the 

-   i move all the RAW photos to the new drive.  .  i was thinking of organizing the photos into a single 'images' folder, then a few catagories as : Architecture, Equine, Auto, Family, Landscape, Misc, People. 
         - then maybe a catalog for each of these catagories.  the only downside is a favorites catalog or collection, but I have edited these photos in several different catalogs.
  
        -- how do I move all my edit information from the old catalogs to have with my few new catalogs??  i have a few 10K, of photos,   and i'm deleting many to clean up, but can't loose all my edit information.   

I appreciate any guidance you might have.   Also I really appreciate you hanging in with me to figure this  out.  I have used the catalogs,  upgraded them several times to new LR versions, and moved from internal drive to external drive.  they all open and save ok, and all seemed well.  this was not expected that this one feature would somehow be corrupted.   maybe the RAW + jpeg rename function is the same?    
      --- I have some folders with both, but I may just put into separate folders before I rename. 

I you know of any references to sort of guide me,  I'd appreciate it.  

Sincerely, 


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> A lot of the old catalogs have photos that have been edited, and of course I don't want to loose that.  I have edited these photos in several different catalogs.
I'd suggest merging them all into one catalog and then cleaning up any duplication and folder structure, where the same photo has ended up in multiple catalogs. I did a series of posts on that here: Merging & Cleanup (start from the bottom)

Having more than one catalog really does complicate things, and everything you've said so far could far more easily be managed in a single catalog. You might want to have a read of some of the other organization recommendations here: https://www.lightroomqueen.com/lightroom/organizing/ 

From everything you've said, I'd suggest working on getting everything in a single catalog using the instructions linked about. The problem may then go away on its own, and if it doesn't, then we'll have a much cleaner basis to work from. 
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Hello Victoria, 

Well, I have been working on an existing catalog that has been updated to LR Classic. as i work my way to being able to go to a single catalog.  

1.    I had several hundred photos, a mix of RAW and jpeg.  the photos are in two separate folders , taken on separate dates.  i wanted to rename each group separately.  I selected the first group in the film strip and used the metadata name tool, and successfully renamed all the photos in their folder, and in the catalog.  All the photos in the catalog were located properly with none missing.  

I selected the second group of photos and did the same procedure.   About 90% of the photos were renamed in the photo folder ( on my external drive). Some still have the DSC_xxx.RAW and .jpg names.   Inside the catalog,  all the RAW photos that were renamed show ok and none are indicated as missing.   ALL the jpeg photos have the old DSC_xxx.jpg. name and all show as missing.  That is because they don't exist in the photo folder.  so now I have jpeg photos in the catalog that dont physically exist anywhere. !!!

Some of the photos in the folder that appear to  have the old DSC_xxx name also appear to have a duplicate copy with the new name.    

THIS IS DEFINITELY A BUG IN LR.  Maybe it works fine in new pristine catalogs, as we both tested, but this is the second time that I have an updated catalog that this has failed.  

I don't know if the folder with the unnamed photos are duplicates, or if i should save them and rename them to the end of the string.  IS there a good tool to find duplicate photos, that doesn't look at the names, as they don't match.  ??  

This was a catalog that was created in 2012 originally , I think, so it's been updated several times.

In the last few years , I always use BRidge to rename my photos before importing them into LR and have never had a problem.   i can't use Bridge to rename the photos that are already in catalogs, as they won't be able to find them and /or I'll loose all my editing.   

can I send my catalog and two photo folders to you to examine.   ??  How ?

2.    Concerning merging catalogs,  I have one catalog that is a small subset of a larger catalog which contained selected photos that I was using to make some art posters.

if I merge the large one into the smaller one, will it recognize the 'new/other" photos that it doesn't have and import the photos,  edits, keywords, and recognize the ones already in the smaller catalog as duplicates, and keep all the key words and edits from the smaller catalog?

If I try to import the smaller catalog into the larger one,  it seem it might recognize everything as duplicates? is that true.  IF it doesn't import the photos, I guess it doesn't import the keyword, or anything else associated with the photo, even if it is different that what is in the smaller catalog.  

Is there some other way to do this.  

3.  Thank you, I know this is a lot.  

this is the april folder that was renamed successfully, and is ok in the catalog




this is the july folder that rename was not complete.  It started at _0001.   And the numbering is odd , like it only counts the RAW photos, but knows there are two associated photos.  ?  note at the bottom are some files with the old names.  i don't know if there is a new duplicate file with a new name.  Did the rename fail, or the cleanup fail?  The catalog only has the old DSC_XXX.jpg names so it cant find any of these files.  





I guess I can remove the jpg files from the catalog and import the new names, or just leave them out as I don't really need them, as I can make them from RAW files.  

This is the second time this has happened.  There is nothing wrong with my computer or hard drives.
if the virgin, new catalogs in LR Classic 7.4 work ok,  then there is a bug in the upgrade process that corrupts something.   


Is there some other way to rename the files.   I CAN'T relink them one by one, as there  might be hundreds or thousands ???

I can't really continue my migration to a single catalog until I sort this out , it's just creating more problems.   I'm trying to cleanup and standardize my existing catalogs , and delete unnecessary photos before merging into a single catalog.  

Thank You. !! 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic: batch rename continues to fail.

Hello 

Well, I have been working on an existing catalog that has been updated to LR Classic. as i work my way to being able to go to a single catalog.  

1.    I had several hundred photos, a mix of RAW and jpeg.  the photos are in two separate folders , taken on separate dates.  i wanted to rename each group separately.  I selected the first group in the film strip and used the metadata name tool, and successfully renamed all the photos in their folder, and in the catalog.  All the photos in the catalog were located properly with none missing.  

I selected the second group of photos and did the same procedure.   About 90% of the photos were renamed in the photo folder ( on my external drive). Some still have the DSC_xxx.RAW and .jpg names.   Inside the catalog,  all the RAW photos that were renamed show ok and none are indicated as missing.   ALL the jpeg photos have the old DSC_xxx.jpg. name and all show as missing.  That is because they don't exist in the photo folder.  so now I have jpeg photos in the catalog that dont physically exist anywhere. !!!

Some of the photos in the folder that appear to  have the old DSC_xxx name also appear to have a duplicate copy with the new name.    

THIS IS DEFINITELY A BUG IN LR.  Maybe it works fine in new pristine catalogs, as I tested, but this is the second time that I have an updated catalog that this has failed.  

I don't know if the folder with the unnamed photos are duplicates, or if i should save them and rename them to the end of the string.  IS there a good tool to find duplicate photos, that doesn't look at the names, as they don't match.  ??  

This was a catalog that was created in 2012 originally , I think, so it's been updated several times.

In the last few years , I always use BRidge to rename my photos before importing them into LR and have never had a problem.   i can't use Bridge to rename the photos that are already in catalogs, as they won't be able to find them and /or I'll loose all my editing.   



2.    Concerning merging catalogs,  I have one catalog that is a small subset of a larger catalog which contained selected photos that I was using to make some art posters.

if I merge the large one into the smaller one, will it recognize the 'new/other" photos that it doesn't have and import the photos,  edits, keywords, and recognize the ones already in the smaller catalog as duplicates, and keep all the key words and edits from the smaller catalog?

If I try to import the smaller catalog into the larger one,  it seem it might recognize everything as duplicates? is that true.  IF it doesn't import the photos, I guess it doesn't import the keyword, or anything else associated with the photo, even if it is different that what is in the smaller catalog.  

Is there some other way to do this.  



this is the april folder that was renamed successfully, and is ok in the catalog




this is the july folder that rename was not complete.  It started at _0001.   And the numbering is odd , like it only counts the RAW photos, but knows there are two associated photos.  ?  note at the bottom are some files with the old names.  i don't know if there is a new duplicate file with a new name.  Did the rename fail, or the cleanup fail?  The catalog only has the old DSC_XXX.jpg names so it cant find any of these files.  





I guess I can remove the jpg files from the catalog and import the new names, or just leave them out as I don't really need them, as I can make them from RAW files.  

This is the second time this has happened.  There is nothing wrong with my computer or hard drives.
if the virgin, new catalogs in LR Classic 7.4 work ok,  then there is a bug in the upgrade process that corrupts something.   


Is there some other way to rename the files.   I CAN'T relink them one by one, as there  might be hundreds or thousands ???

I may have 30 or 40 catalogs over the past 8 years, and 10's of thousands of photos. 
This bug has already messed up the raw photos  associated with two different catalogs. 
there is nothing wrong with my macbook pro  10.13.6 or my lightroom classic 7.4 

THIS IS A BAD BUG !!  

I can't really continue my migration to a single catalog until I sort this out , it's just creating more problems.   I'm trying to cleanup and standardize my existing catalogs , and delete unnecessary photos before merging into a single catalog.  

Thank You. !! 
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hello, 

some people have commented about how to batch rename files.   Thank you.  I know how to select and rename the files, the problem is  that it fails when i'm working on older catalogs that have been edited  a lot, and have been upgraded from 1 or 2 older version to the current version 7.  I get the partial failures, that i've described above.     if you make a new virgin catalog, and put new photo's in it,  the renaming described above does work.   however when using older upgraded catalogs,  then it fails.  It is not a permission problem, as then None of the files would be renamed.   In the examples above, you can clearly on some of the files failed to be renamed.   Also any jpeg files that were renamed in the photo folders, do not get renamed in the LR catalog.  This results in all these files being orphans.   They are marked  with an !, and being not located,  but they can never be located, because all the photos have be renamed to a new file name. 

 I would not even dare to try to merge all my catalogs in a single common one, when all these errors are damaging my work products.    This definitely is a repeatable BUG.. 

Thank You.. 
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You might need to use SQLite to check the DB inner details.

Also running “sudo fs_usage -f filesys” during a short test operation might reveal what files exactly are being accessed and what is not.

Sorry for not reading through enough deep to note your prowess with rename in LR better. My eye caught you using Bridge for renames and I was distracted near your question how to rename files.

I hope the fs_usage will reveal if LR is actually even trying to rename the files.
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Re: the problem with RAW+jpg renaming:
After reading your statements several times it sounds like you have imported the files into your catalog once as RAW+jpg pairs. Then you have at some point imported the jpgs again as separate files in the same folder, so these jpg files are now duplicated in the catalog??
(If you only imported as RAW+jpg you would not see the jpeg thumbnail with a ! as it is kept hidden by Lightroom when they are sidecars)

Now, when you run a rename on the RAW+jpg pair thumbnails LR will rename the RAW file and its associated jpg sidecar file in the same operation. But that will cause these same jpgs imported as separate files to go 'missing'.


New catalogs would work correctly if the RAW file and JPG file are imported either as a pair or separately but not doing both as in your catalog with the issues.

Putting the RAW files and jpgs into separate folders before renaming should work.


It is a bit messy trying to get LR to separate the RAW+jpg pair entry in the catalog once you have imported them that way and then wish to have them separate.

To get your current jpgs sorted out that are 'missing' do one of the following:
1) While in LR with all files in the original folder rename them using the LR RAW+jpg thumbnails back to original name. Then move jpg thumbnails only to a 2nd folder and retry intended renaming over again.
or
2) Exit LR and move the jpg files only to a 2nd folder then rename them back to their original names using some other bulk rename utility (they should then restore status correctly in the catalog once LR is restarted)
Try this with 1-2 files to see works best for you, one method may be easier than the other depending on how they got renamed.
(there is a option 3 ...delete and restore jpgs only from a backup)

Somebody else may offer some better solutions if they think I am on the right track with your problem.


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Thank you for this information.   I don't believe that I have imported the jpeg photos twice ( but cannot 100% prove it till I do some testing.  I believe that I used the settings in the preferences file, " Treat JPEG files as separate photos"... 



This is not the first time that I have tried to rename photos and it failed.  

If you look at the attachment in the first post.   The first folder , that has 'dng' and 'jpeg'  files , all renamed correctly.  

it you then look at the second folder with 'NEF' and 'jpeg"  photos.   The files renamed properly until it got down to the last 20 or 30 files, which were not renamed at all.  Or they were renamed , but the old files were somehow left in the folder too, and I can't tell if they are duplicate BECAUSE I don't know what the link between the old and new names are.  it not just the last few photos in the sequence , but you can see there are many gaps.  So  were they renamed ,  and these are duplicates,  I dont know?? 

**. Are there any good add-ins for LR to check for duplicates, or other ways to check?  

+++. Also, if you look at the very first post,  I had a folder with 2300 RAW photos in it, and 
the renaming either failed, or just renamed and left the originals in the folders too, so AGAIN, I don't know that they were all renamed, as I can't individually check all 2300 photos.   It you look at the details,   If I made a new virgin catalog, and used a new photo folder with copies of the photos, then the rename worked OK,  but I have a lot of old catalogs that have been edited a lot, and upgraded through several versions.  These are the ones that are failing.  i'm not so concerned about the JPEG files,  as I can either ignore them, or delete them from the photo folder catalogs.    The one or two catalogs that have all the missing jpegs, I'll just remove the missing photos from the catalog.  


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MY BIGGEST PROBLEM is that i'm trying to clean up all my old catalogs  and photo in order to import them into a new single LR catalog, and put all my photo on a new Gdrive 4TB drive.
I have a lot of catalogs.  I don't want to get part way through and find out one of my "Import from a separate catalog"  crashes my new common catalog.    

I have had at least 3 instances where batch renaming has failed, so this is definitely a BUG with older catalogs. ( they are the current 7.4 version, but originally were LR 5 or 6 )   It is not a user error.  

 one thought I had after i get rid of all the photos I don't want in the catalog,  I can try to export as a new catalog, and hopefully that will get rid of all the debris, and bad things from several version upgrades, and bugs, and then use that to import into the new common catalog.   ?? 



Thank You


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I cannot rename the  problem RAW + jpeg files back to their original names, as I don't know what exactly they were.  It you look at the screen grab.  some of the files were not renamed, or the old file names were not deleted.  so i do'nt know if there are duplicates or not.     


Someone at ADOBE need to address that there is a BUG, and hopefully fix it.  I can't keep breaking my older catalogs.   In my more recent year catalog, the RAW only photos have custom file names, but i would like to change my custom renaming, but can risk trashing 1000's of photos, and associated edit information.     

Since the simple batch rename keep failing,  I have NO CONFIDENCE  that the import from catalog will be successful for all these items.     I hope they have tested  all this on more that just  new virgin 7.4 catalogs, and  renaming just RAW files or just JPEG files, and on more than just importing newly created catalogs from version 7.4 into a bigger 7.4 catalog.  


I REALLY worry about have a single catalog with 10 of thousands of photos and many collections, and what happens when I upgrade to version 8 in the future ??

I appreciate all the suggestions as I try to figure this out.  

regards,