Lightroom: Add option to Backup which would include PHOTOS and their folders, catalog, presets, etc.

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Add option to Backup which would include PHOTOS and their folders, catalog, presets, etc. so if the primary drive fails I can just reload LR and plug in the backup drive then Restore and be on my way. It would be nice if I could plug in my off premises hard drive once in a while then hit a Backup button and LR would then make updates to the previous backup to reflect the current state of the main drive just adding to, or deleting, the photos that are already in the backup, syncing to the main photo folder - no need to copy photos to the backup that are already there, and then back up the current catalog.
Also when creating the import backup add the option to convert to DNG if the main import is converted to save a little space on the backup drive.
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Re: backing up for reinstalling:

Due to computer problems I have recently had to reinstall LR and found I was unable to retain all the edits, labels, flags, stars, presets, collections etc that I previously had, despite my backing up as instructed.

By backing up and replacing certain folders I managed to retrieve some of my settings, but not all. Perhaps there were some items I missed backing up or did not put back in the right places to effect the reinstatement I was after, however, I am not looking for advice on how to do this (already done via Lightroomforum.net)

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I would like to make this suggestion:

- that in the event of needing a reinstall, ALL the items that need backing up to retrieve previous functionality are to be found in ONE place, one single folder

- OR a single click wizard to retrieve, and later single click to replace.

i.e. let LR have a SIMPLE (yet comprehensive) way to reinstate ALL previous aspects of LR that one had prior to needing a reinstall

If this could be built into a future version I'm sure it would save some of us a LOT of frustration

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Wanted: easy back-ups for reinstalls.
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I was unable to retain all the edits, labels, flags, stars, presets, collections etc that I previously had

All of these are saved within the catalog, which is the main thing you need to backup (apart from actual image files). Did you backup and restore the catalog?

There's also presets and templates, but these are not critical for your actual work. And you can configure Lightroom to save even them in the same folder as your catalog (Prefs->Presets->Store presets with catalog).
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In the mean time, consider:

* configuring an Lr backup job in your favorite backup software (and test it out, and use it...), or
* Matt Dawson's Lr backup plugin, which should be saving all dependent files (I haven't validated it, and I don't recall seeing the restoral option, still...). - It won't backup photos.
* TreeSyncPublisher for keeping tree of original photos as backup.
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Not everyone will be, or should be, found in the same place. It is typical for people to keep the photos and caches on a different partition than the catalog.

But, as others have pointed out, the catalog is you primary concern. Caches and previews and so on contain no unique information that cannot be recovered using the catalog and the originals.

Nothing else matters that much unless you need to save changes into XMP. In which case your originals wil contain this information. You should be backing up changes to your imported artefacts anyway.

Between the auto catalog backup you can schedule, and your own backup regimen, there is not much else for the vendor to do. Your disaster recovery plan is yours to implement.
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|> "there is not much else for the vendor to do"

Sure there is - the ability to backup and restore everything...

User should be able to:

* Do an Lr backup.
* Wipe their hard drive & re-install Lightroom.
* Restore Lr backup.

And, be right back where they were, Lr-wise.

Many users are not competent to implement their own Lr disaster recovery plan, or in any case, may not be religious about keeping it up to date. Having it handled by Lr in the course of catalog backups is something else the vendor could do...

At a minimum, a simple list of all files/folders that must be backed up / restored would be a step in the right direction.

~R.
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YES!
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I see.

thank you

I seem to just be one of those people who has problems with computers, in this instance one example is my hard won presets have gone
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Make sure you backup the Lightroom prefs and presets, as a part of your own backup regimen, since Lightroom doesn't:

* Basically, everything in the folder selected when you click "Show Lightroom Presets Folder"

Catalog, Photos, XMP, + Prefs & Presets, is most of it.

For completeness, also be sure to include other files in catalog folder (not .lrdata), plugin modules inappropriately stored with the program files, resources in with program files if edited (e.g. using jf's Lr configurator), stuff shared with Camera Raw - e.g. lens profiles, camera profiles (maybe best to just backup the whole camera raw app data folder too - it's a sibling of the Lightroom "Presets (& Prefs...)" app-data folder.

What'd I miss?

~R.
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dunno but you kinda endorsed my first point - too much to remember - especially when these things usually take us by surprise!
:)
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I had missed lrreg files (which contain registration data).

Here is a (mostly) complete list of files:

http://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/p...
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Thanks - quite a list!

My problem is that when navigating through hierarchies I get lost!
I often can't work out or remember whether I have just backed upa aparticular file or whether I have yet to do it, once I have got halfway through certain hierarchies, I find it confusing whether I am in 'Compeuter, library, app supp, adobe, presets, ect or the user version of the same. whether these are the same files (same names) or different, which or both needs backing up and have to try to rmemeber to put instructions with EACH file where it has to be put back (in which hierarchy) etc

I just find it all VERY complicated ( but then I'm a mac user - I guess Im spoiled)
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In AuxBackup, if you click 'Backup Now' (or approve backup upon reminder), it will back up all files on the list into a single backup location, whether you use Mac, or Windows.

UPDATE 2012-10-23:

regarding Adobe List, it excludes:
* ACR common files, most notably: custom camera profiles and downloaded lens profiles.
* Files kept with catalog by plugins which may be important.
* Plugins added by user, which granted: could be almost anywhere, still - for the sake of completeness...

regarding AuxBackup plugin:
* Although backed up files are kept in a single root folder, they are stored according to original source location, so it's obvious where they came from, and (barring radical system changes): where to restore them to.

Rob
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Plugin to backup presets & prefs...

AuxBackup
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Thanks - but not *sure* if works with Macs and doesn't restore and adjustments are too complicated ( for me;) )

I'm after a SIMPLE solution:
i.e. ? back-up? click button ONCE - hey presto -there it all is a a specified folder
?Restore? Click button once, it locates restore folder - locates restore destination - finished

i.e. no harder than installing plug-ins
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Here are the instructions for making backups:


  1. Download zip file and unzip it, then install plugin according to instructions in the readme file.

  2. Optional: change the 'Backup Location' (Lightroom's File Menu -> 'Plugin Manager' - bottom-most section titled 'Aux Backup Settings'). Note: 'rc Aux Backup' plugin must be selected in leftmost pane.

  3. Click 'Backup Now' button (in same section of plugin manager).


I don't see how it could be any simpler to make the backups.

The missing piece @v1.0 is being able to restore the backed up files when the time comes, which is not yet addressed by the plugin, but: all files are in the (single) specified backup folder, stored according to their original source location.

PS - Please contact me outside the forum for additional help with plugins.

Rob
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Thanks:)
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You're welcome Simon,

So, what is your current backup regimen?
Are you comfortable with your present scheme?
Do you know what to backup, and where to restore, should it come to that?

PS - I realize your request is to Adobe, for a native turn-key backup feature - Adobe has probably heard you, despite their tendency to abstain from responding. I can only offer suggestions and provide work-arounds for the mean time...

Rob
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Pretty simple haphazard system at the moment. By and large all I need to back up are files for my therapy practice, which happens manually and regularly, and then bookmarks, passwords, my photoshop settings I only need to back up if they change, then my images which are stored as Tiffs in 3 places as soon as finished, which really only leaves lightroom , which I find harder to restore fully than any other program
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Lightroom: however you do it, be sure to get (along with your catalog & photos), Lr preferences and presets, at a minimum - all are in a single folder, which you can find by clicking 'Show Lightroom Presets Folder...' button on 'Presets' tab of 'Preferences' dialog box.