Lightroom: Batch changes to develop settings not applied to all selected photos

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Lightroom AutoSynch and "DevelopSettings->Auto-tone does not apply settings to ALL selected photos. I routinely have 100's of photos selected and attempt to synch or auto-tone but the settings are not applied to all selected photos.

This bug has been present since V3 and is still there in V5. Very tired of this as it kills my workflow.

Running v5.2 of Lightroom on OS/X.

FIX THIS!
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Can you provide any steps to reproduce this consistently David?
Does it have something to do with the number of images selected?
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As I said, I'm generally dealing with 100's of images just after import. I will often choose to "select all" in the develop tab and then ctrl-click-Develop Settings->AutoTone. Generally speaking the images whose thumbnails are visible in the bottom pane will be adjusted, but if I start to scroll through the thumbnails I'll quickly encounter images that have not had the settings applied. Ditto "auto-sync" which I use very often to reset exposure, for example, to a consistent value. I always see the effect applied to visible thumbnails, but as I scroll I'll quickly encounter images that were selected but that do not have the setting applied.

There's not necessarily a pattern (i.e., it works for exactly 10 images) but when dealing with large sets of images, it happens consistently.

Perhaps this is a race-condition as I'm generally working in the "develop" tab while Lightroom is building 1:1 previews in the background - it takes some time given the number of images I'm working with and I don't wait for the previews to be generated before I start working on the images.
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Just tried this on a group of 57 photos. Picked a random photo in the middle, turned on auto-sync and then set a number of the exposure settings to 0. I could see thumbnails changing and even after the progress bar said "task complete" thumbnails continued to change. After some time I scrolled through the thumbnails and found that there were groups that had the settings 0'd out and groups that had not been changed. Oddly, the 8 thumbnails to the left of the image I changed did not get reset and the 11 images to the right of the image I changed did not get reset; images at the ends of the filmstrip got sync'd.
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Thanks David,

I just tried a sync of 100 photos with exposure pushed to the top (so I could notice if thumbnails were adjusted) and noticed that for some images it would take me clicking on the image to preview it before the change was reflected on that image.

Do your changes eventually take place?

Have you tried this process with a new administrator user on your computer?
blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/06/lightroom-basic-troubleshooting-to-fix-most-issues.html#Permissions

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No, they do not eventually update. As I'm working through the images long after auto-synching a setting I will eventually transition from those that had the setting synched and those that do not.

I use OS/X not Windows. I don't recall this bug in v3, but it's certainly been there since v4 where I've just learned to tediously work through all images and not rely on trying to synch files. I'd hoped that the upgrade to v5 would have fixed it.
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David,

When you select one of the images that hasn't had the change applied and check the history panel, do you see auto-tone in the history list? As if it has been applied?

The Auto-sync not syncing may be a different issue from the auto-tone not syncing
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Here's a pic of my desktop. I select all thumbnails then ctrl-click on the filmstrip and selected Develop->AutoTone. I see thumbnails adjust as the process goes along but noticed that this thumbnail somewhere in the middle did not appear to update. I select the image and see "AutoTone" in the history, BUT the "auto" button is highlighted and, if I click it, the settings change.

The problems may be unrelated, but in general I have found that any task that is applied to multiple photos does not always get applied to all images.

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Thanks for the extra info David. Yeah -- We may have two issues at hand.

That you see the Auto-Tone in the history means it has been applied. Clicking it again when viewing the image will apply it again and get the different results that you're seeing. This is the current limitation of the implementation of Auto-Tone.

The first time it is applied, and looks as if it has to do with the way that Lightroom applies the Auto-tone to the image preview.

When selecting multiple images and applying the auto-tone (AT) Lightroom will apply the AT to a lower quality preview negative. When you click on the image to view it, a higher quality (full resolution) preview will be generated. Clicking AT again while viewing with the higher quality preview will apply the changes to the higher quality image, and create the change in settings that you see. The AT applies differently based on the quality of the image negative LR is working with.

On the backend, LR only caches 2 - 3 full resolution previews at any given time to allow for a quick back and forth between images so you wouldn't be able to have all images auto-sync with the highest resolution digital negative.

From Engineering: For the Auto Sync in Develop, Auto Tone is computed based on the preview quality negatives for the target photos, unless the final quality negatives for those photos are already cached by Lightroom in the memory. This is for performance reasons. It is very expensive to load the full quality negative for each target photo in order to compute the AutoTone. Another design limitation is that the AutoTone results computed from preview quality negative and final quality negative are different.

That's a bit of a mouthful! If you've made it this far, we can start to look at the separate issue of some (non-autotone) process settings not being applied by auto-sync.
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As someone with quite a bit of software experience and expertise (I have a BS, MS, and PhD in computer science) I fully appreciate the limitations faced by engineering. As someone who's also familiar with user-interface design, I would suggest that they consider some simple ways to address this problem - and it IS a problem.

From the user standpoint, the settings are applied to a photo, not to a representation of a photo at a particular degree of resolution. While at the implementation level this makes practical sense, at the UI level it causes confusion and inconsistency.

A simple fix I might suggest is to automatically "auto-tone" a higher-resolution preview when the history of the photo shows that the last operation performed was "auto-tone"; clearly it is the user's intention that this setting be applied and thus it makes no sense not to apply the setting once a higher-resolution preview is available.
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I believe I am experiencing the same issue in all versions from 5.2 to now 5.5. I posted a comment in the below forum but have copied what I wrote here for reference.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1411091

I just did an experiment to test it.

1. In a folder of 380 photos, I applied settings to the first photo.
2. I then selected all photos
3. Synced all the settings, watched as the displayed thumbnails updated
4. Checked the photos that had updated thumbnails and the settings were correct.
5. On the last thumbnail that had been updated, I used the right arrow to go to the next photo. This was NOT synced.
6. Displayed the images in the folder in grid view (thus displaying around 20 images. Watched as these thumbnails updated.
7. Checked the settings on the images that had now updated, and these were correct (except the image I found before that hadn't updated).
8. On displaying the next image that didn't have its thumbnail updated, the settings were NOT synced.
9. Did this again with another 20ish photos, and the same thing occurred.

It seems to me that perhaps the routine that updates the develop settings is somehow incorporated in the function that updates the thumbnails?! It seems the settings are only updated AFTER the thumbnails are updated.

Therefore there seems to be a workaround, but going to grid view and waiting until all the thumbnails are updated (this might mean scrolling a few times if you have a lot of photos) before applying further changes.

ADD: I have just discovered that whilst the sync did occur after waiting for the thumbnails to update, some settings did NOT sync for all photos. For example, on the first batch that synced immediately Vibrance did sync (+10), but for all photos that synced after switching to grid view and waiting for thumbnail updates had Vibrance set at 0. This is unbelievably odd and makes me wonder how Lightroom is actually attempting to apply these settings.
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My team has this problem. The current workaround is applying 3 times. Thank you for the detailed writeup. http://gsfn.us/t/4kkws
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Apply/synch settings does not apply to all images.


LightRoom 5.3 does not reliably apply settings to all selected images. If I have many images selected and attempt to apply or synchronize color adjustments to all images, LR will only apply to ~95% of the frames at any time. It requires applying at least 3 times to get all the images to accept the change.
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This problem continues and it is an enormous time waster. Instead of applying settings on import and then going about my work, I find myself sitting, mothering LR through the process for an hour. 

When I apply settings to 300 images, I'm probably not going to actually view each image but make initial select choices from the thumbs. From a set of 300, I might actually select less than 10% to open in the Develop module and fine tune. I'd really prefer to get that job done as soon as possible and not have to be manually applying settings to each image or, worse yet, manually applying settings to all 300.

I understand that LR doesn't update the preview to reflect new develop settings of images not on screen to reduce the drag on the GPU/CPU. I don't agree with it but I understand it. (Perhaps a choice could be offered in preferences?). What I don't understand is why the metadata that should be applied when applying Auto Tone or synching settings is tied to the preview - so that we not only have to MANUALLY reveal and apply/synch in screen-sized batches but wait for our GPU/CPU to do the math before we can move on. I can't even do anything else while it's grinding away because, if I bring another app into the foreground (Mac, ElCapitan), the whole LR process stops and awaits my return. There are only so many coffees I can make in a day.

Could I suggest that the application of new metadata for develop settings be applied AS METADATA independently from applying the math and/or building an updated preview? This should make applying and synching develop settings very lightweight for the GPU/CPU, fast and not require images or thumbnails be visible for the changes to be made. Apply the metadata immediately, render stuff later.
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...And now things have gone downhill with the 2015.4 update.

Not only does synching develop settings across images still require all shots to be visible, not only does this still not guarantee all selected shots are updated, not only does the number of shots you can apply the changes to each time reduce, but now I'm finding that applying a preset to a single frame does not guarantee the settings will be applied.

I have had to deselect and reselect images and apply a preset two, maybe three times to get the preset settings to be applied. Not talking about the preview here, just the sliders to have changed in line with the preset.

My cache is set to 200GB, BTW, on a fast RAID with TB's of space.

I still wonder if these changes could be applied purely in metadata and the preview updated when you actually view the image. I understand that actions such as white balance pipettes and autotone require processing and therefore need the attention of the GPU/CPU but simply moving a slider to a predetermined setting should not.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled LIGHTROOM AUTO TONE and AUTO SYNC bug.

1. Select all images in a large set (maybe 100+ shots)
2. Hit the AUTO tone button to have LR make auto adjustments
3. Enable AUTO SYNC
4. Change a slider value on a single image while all are selected
5. See that the change is made and is set for several images down the timeline
6. See that the change does not get applied (or is overridden by AUTO) further down the timeline. (bug)

Same issue with copy/paste settings with Auto Sync off.
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In the merged topic, Reoger Krueger wrote:

Same here. (Latest LR CC) Same with settings applied with presets. It's not that the changes aren't applied—they show in the history. But they're not reflected in the sliders. Haven't tested extensively, but it seems to be caused or exacerbated by having Leveling on in Lens Corrections.

Ah, further research pinned it down—Autotone doesn't actually happen when you execute it—all it does is mark images to be autotoned at some point in the future. Any changes you make before that deferred autotone happens get obliterated by it. Thank you Rob Cole, wherever you are now.
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I'm running LR6.6.1 on Windows 10. I routinley apply presets with fixed highlights, shadows, whites and blacks, but AFTER applying autotone, so as to set exposure automatically.

I've tried many things for the autotone : on import, with a preset or with autosync in the develop module. To apply fixed values after that, I also tried many things : grid mode and auto sync. And with autosync, I tried by applying a preset as well as by syncing manually. I actually tried avery combination.

I even tried a fresh install on LR, with a brand new catalog with all my pictures freshly imported.

I tried with and without xmp metadata synced.

I'm running out of options.
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Forgot something : most importantly, when applying a preset, it appears as applied (you can filter with the criterion) while it is not (or at least partly). So I can't even know to which picture the preset is applied (or not) without whecking every photo individually.

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