Photoshop: Ability to arrange & customize save-as file formats so popular formats are at the top

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Photoshop supports about 20 formats, but I only use 4 or 5 of them. It's bugged me since 5.5 to have to fish for jpeg somewhere in the middle of the list. Can the file formats get arranged by most commonly used? And maybe allow us to remove stuff like targa and large file format that nobody uses.
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»And maybe allow us to remove ... large file format that nobody uses.«
Are you joking or have you just never worked on images above 2GB in size? (Edit: Naturally you could just prefer to use tiff for files that size, but claiming no one uses psb seems peculiar.)

The issue has been raised in the user-to-user Forum occasionally, too, so it seems you are not alone with the wish for customization for that dialog.
But in the meantime you could look into a Scripting solution for your personally-most-popular formats.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled I still want Photoshop "save as" to allow arrangement of the list, so I can put J....
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I posted this on the Photoshop Facebook page and was asked to bring it up here, so...

"Is there a way to remove options from the "Save As..." menu in PS CC 2014? Been looking everywhere and can't find a way of modifying the list. Quite happy to do Registry changes.

Just don't need all the options that are there - such as Dicon, IFF, JPEG 2000, JPEG Stereo, Multipicture, Pixar, Portable Bitmap, Scitex, Targa... Never saved a file in any of those formats and doubt that I'm going to start now"

One I will NOT be removing is Large File Format...
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You can only remove them if the format is a third party plugin format.
Otherwise: no.
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Any chance you can make it so, Mr Cox? (Long time no chat! :) )
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Chris,
Please find a way!
Bruce
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I wrote the original post over 3 years ago and I still want this feature.

We're all so used to it that nobody even thinks of streamlining it.
But imagine if, in order to say OK a dialogue box, you couldn't just hit enter,
you had to hit O, the down arrow twice, then enter. For every single
dialogue, every single time, year after year.
Thousands of needless keypresses and clicks.

That's what it's like saving a file in photoshop.
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I used to run a clunky 3rd party app called "Formats Customizer", except it is constantly flagged by my antivirus program (and my browser also blocks attempts to download the installer). It may actually have adware, I dunno if it's a false positive or not. I got sick of the warnings so I uninstalled it. If there's another solution, I'm not aware of it.
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A Scripting approach may not offer exactly all of what you are after but I suspect it could (possibly in conjunction with an html5 Panel) offer some improvement.
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I'd be willing to try it but I can't seem to find a script that does this via google. I don't know how to write one myself... Do you know of one? Or where I might ask to commission one?
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There are at least two Photoshop Scripting Fora
https://forums.adobe.com/community/ph...
http://ps-scripts.com/bb/
where you could ask for help, at ps-scripts.com there is also a section for professional scripting services:
http://ps-scripts.com/bb/viewforum.ph...

But what exactly is your minimal requirement to constitute an improvement over the current situation?
How many file formats do you regularly use, which settings do you use regularly (like with jpg – do you really use all 12 quality settings or just one or two of them), would a Script for each format suffice, ...?
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I'll give those links a try, cheers. I think the best way to explain what I'd like is my "in a perfect world" scenario.

The usual file --> save as dialogue would only have 3 formats: JPG, 16-bit TIF, and PNG only. I've gotten into photography and still end up with JPG as my final output for for all shots that don't require printing, and 16 bit TIFFs for files that will be printed and have more dynamic range than an 8 bit format can hold. I use PNG for web images that have transparency.

I don't mind dealing with the usual secondary dialogues that come up after I choose a format (like JPG's quality slider, TIF's compression format, etc.)
I usually can just press enter and accept the defaults or last-used setting.

In a less perfect world, there's still a big list of formats, 90% of which I never use, but those 3 popular formats are at the very top of the list.

In an even less perfect world, I'd have 3 separate keyboard shortcuts to save files, one for each of the 3 formats. I'm not sure if that can be recorded as a photoshop action... I don't think it prompts me for a save location, and I'm not sure if it can prompt me to tweak those other dialogues like the JPEG quality slider.
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Personally I still use a Flash Panel to trigger Scripts that automatically save the active file as is or separated (according to a couple of print conditions) psd or tif to a Links-folder it it exists, beside the original if no such folder is present.
But a Script could achieve something similar, in this example hitting enter will raise the folder selection dialog and there are four buttons hitting one of which will close the dialog and save jpg-copies with certain quality settings, respectively a flattened tiff copy without alpha channels or as a layered tiff. (No option for additional settings, though.)
Would that be of use to you?
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That script sounds like it'd be very useful!
Can it be edited in any text editor or is it somehow compiled already?

If it's editable I think I could probably figure out how to tweak it
to do exactly what I want.

Can you link to the file or text?
I've never implemented a script within photoshop though
I've used them in indesign.
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Chris, can you provide a brief description of what this script will do? Will it reduce the save as options to just 2, jpeg or tiff?

Thanks
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It does not affect the Save As dialog, when run it will raise a dialog that offers
• entry field to edit the name to save under
• button/hit enter to raise the platform specific Folder selection dialog (by default the active file’s location is selected)
• four options: save a copy as jpg quality 7, save a copy as jpg quality 10, save a copy as flattened tif, save as a layered tif
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I'd like to try it, are you able to share the script with us or link to it?
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I have posted the code on a previous comment.
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oh, cheers, I see it. Thanks!
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+ 1 for this.
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I love this idea. I think you could have a pop out menu from the Save As option in the File dropdown menu. Here each file option has a star beside it which a user can select as a favorite. Once selected these items appear at the top of the list in their most simplified form - no need to have the full list of document types in brackets. This would make it sooo easy to select the file format we wanted.

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled PHOTOSHOP - select most used file types for saving.

Hi Adobe: This one is so obvious I don't know why it took me 20 years of using Photoshop to think of. In 20 years, I have only saved files in four file types: PSD, TIFF, JPEG and PNG. So, why do I have to scroll through a long list of types when selecting the format I want to save (TARGA, JPEG 2000-- these are outdated formats). You should allow users to toggle or customize the types they want to show in the dropdown menu. This would save me a lot of time and hunting and pecking. Sounds like an EASY change to code.
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Anyone realised this topic is over 5 years old and Adobe have not done us the courtesy of a reply?
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read the responses again.
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Alright, I'll amend the comment to say that this topic is over 5 years old, the only reply from Adobe was a year ago and failed to say whether any consideration would be given to the request
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Hey Chris-- I did "read the comments again"-- I didn't see an official reply from Adobe. Is this something you can change in your products-- it seems like an easy coding change (some people have already hacked it) and would improve your products. I really get the feeling that since 1) we have no alternative product choices and 2) you have forced us into a subscription model that Adobe has little incentive to improve. That's the same mistake Microsoft made back in the day.
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I have responded, so you can't say we haven't.

But it's a feature request with only a few people supporting it.
We have thousands of requests, many of which have much more support behind them.
And no, this is not a simple coding change at all.
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Chris,
I am surprised by the comment" only a few people supporting it"
Everyone I know is of the same opinion, and are glad someone(Philip, e.g.) has brought this up. If you have a way for us to sign a petition,if that's what you need, I'd be happy to circulate it.
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Look at the topic - not that many posts, and 10 people voting on it (one of which is me). That's compared to some of the suggestions that have hundreds of people voting for them.
This topic is the petition.
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I can't imagine anyone not wanting this feature. I will say that this topic was hard to locate.  Perhaps if Adobe did some polling of users "would you like this feature?" a lot of support might be found.
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I said I "didn't see and official comment" not that you "didn't respond". And I still don't, and I don't have time to scroll through this thread again. Thanks for the (defensive) reply.

I work with hundreds of other designers and teach design to hundreds of aspiring professionals, and most I have talked to thought this was a great idea. Most younger students have no idea what a Targa or JPEG2000 file is.

The comments your eceive (and their quantities) are not reflective of the community as a whole-- there is certainly an interest for this change to the program. You are missing this point: this is a clear improvement over the current application-- I would think you and your dev team would be more than happy to improve your product and continue to make it better.

Your attitude is similar to the response I have received in all my other posts with open-minded suggestions on how to improve Adobe products: smug and defensive.
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You are reading something into the responses that is not there.

Yes, there is interest in change - which is why the popular requests have hundreds of people voting for them. And there are hundreds of requests with more votes than this one.
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Man, Chris' job must suck. Having to find new end increasingly complicated ways to convince people Adobe is actually doing a great job and nobody really wants better, easier to use products with new features, which are stupid and hard to do anyway.
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Anyone from Adobe ever looked at Corel Draw? Does exactly what we need - as you use a file format, it goes to the top of the list and remains there. Most commonly used ones end up as a block at the top, lesser/never used ones are below, separated by a space. It's been doing that for years (decades? Can't remember).

As far as this being 'the petition', where in all the Adobe stuff flooding the net does it say that requests/petitions for product IMPROVEMENTS are available at... It doesn't. This is headed "Community-powered support for Photoshop Family" which inclines users to be believe that this is where you can get help, not request changes.
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The Adobe website link for Photoshop requests leads to this site.
The fact that this is the site for Photoshop (and related product) feature requests has been communicated rather widely, even if it isn't featured in every Adobe advertisement.
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Howdy... I started the original topic a while ago. Glad it's still active.
Chris, am I to take it you're a PS dev? If so, sorry you get so much flak.

I just wanna make this one small point, hopefully it has some impact.

Some PS/LR issues are frustrating, but only for a limited subset of photoshop users.
For example I see a brush organization topic with 132 votes.
But some users don't even touch brushes, much less need to organize them.

This minor issue with file formats, however, is felt by 100% of photoshop's users. We all save files, whether we're digitally painting or editing photos or tweaking video frames.

Fishing for filetypes is only a second wasted, but multiply 100% of the users, by 100% of their saved files, and cumulatively it's millions of wasted hours.

So please, consider bumping this one up the chain, or coding it yourself. It's one of those things that will feel like a breath of fresh air once it's implemented. People will say "I never knew how much I needed this, until I finally had it."

Thanks for your time, and the fantastic product.
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Yes, I am one of the lead developers on Photoshop.

We consider all the requests we receive, and only reject them if they are completely impossible or cause more harm than good.
But we do prioritize them mostly by how many people have requested/supported the feature.
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Well, here's to hoping I see it in my lifetime. 5 years is a long time for something to be on the back burner. Appreciate your efforts anyway.
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Hey Chris-- sorry if I am harshing on you-- it's nothing personal. And I see the tone of this topic has become more civil-- thanks for considering the suggestion.

My main point is about customer service: if someone takes the time to suggest an improvement, especially one which is obvious, I think Adobe should say "thanks-- we appreciate your feedback" and put on the agenda at the next brainstorming meeting. It's all these tweaks to the software that keep you developers employed and challenged at your jobs, and can maintain Adobe's hegemony in the creative software industry.

I have suggested quite a few improvements to the software over the years and the general response is: not interested and defensive. It's so nice to have the "ear" of someone at Adobe. I just wish I could be heard more readily.
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Just to (respectfully) inject some perspective from another product developer: if you have millions of users, and you're slicing your priorities according to things that have hundreds of votes rather than dozens... maybe the approach to prioritization is flawed?  Because your granularity is .0001% vs. .00002%.

In that light, maybe a suggestion which clearly would touch 100% of your users deserves a different weighting?

My company has maybe 25,000 users, and we listen to anyone who takes the time to write; but the #1 method we use for choosing which features and enhancements to prioritize is... our own judgment as product development specialists.  We're in a unique position to understand the ways of doing the most good for the most people, which is different than seeking to soothe the small groups of disproportionately vocal users (aka the grumps).

It is understood - scientifically proven, actually - that people are very bad at predicting what they want or what will make them happy.  They tend to overfocus on the 1 or 2 things that are under their skin, which skews their perspective away from the countless other smaller --- but cumulatively *more impactful* --- sources of friction and inefficiency that escapes their notice.

I'm not talking about bugfixes, I'm talking about the kinds of functional and organizational enhancements that reduce the number of muscles, brain cells, and synaptic transmissions required to get from point A to point B.  In our experience EVERYONE loves those, they are rare gems in the UIX world and we pounce on them whenever they make their rarefied presence known.

I submit that this request is exactly that kind of enhancement.  Thanks for listening :-)
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Well said! I hope they read that.
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Will they read it? Probably. Will they do aything about it? Probably not - obviously the great cash-cow herd hasn't voted enough even though (a) it makes sense and (b) we've been asking for thiss for years now. we'll just get another non-answer about how there are so many other things being requested on a daily basis and they can't do everything. sure, there's some great improvements in the software (I've been on it since 3.0.4), but a comparatively simple thing like this that affects, as noted above, 100% of users, doesn't get the time of day.
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I still get notifications on this thread after 5 years, and still hope for it. I did eventually start using large file format once in a while, but still don't need targa :P

Their reasoning is pretty obvious... these little UI changes are just not gonna sell them new copies of the software, it's not super fun like face-aware liquify. It just makes existing paying customers 2% happier.

No real financial motive, it would strictly be out of the kindness of their hearts. So here's to hoping that someone with a kind heart reads this, 5 years later.

Realistically this is all we're asking: Put a little empty star icon next each existing format. Let me click that icon to favorite that format. The star becomes filled. Put the starred items at the top. That's it. 20 minutes tops.

Help me obi wan adobe, you're my only hope.
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I too have been waiting and watching on this.  Are we there yet?  Hopefully I just missed the memo of the new process.   This reminds me of 3ds Max.  It could always almost do everything, but not a single part of it was easy or in a decent UI.  Many a gray hair...

The Save As dialog and list of filetypes in PS just got me to look this up again.  My eyes are killing me from having to search for "photoshop pdf" instead of just PDF, and reselecting jpeg after I accidentally hit jpeg2000.  The "star" method of favorites and bringing those to the top above a break in the list mentioned on this page is by far my favorite.   Just do that much and forget any detailing beyond that.  Or just have a menu in preferences were we can check/uncheck the filetypes we want listed there if nothing else.
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Well anyway there is a workaround to at least remove SOME formats in Photoshop CS6 Mac.

You just have to right-click on the photoshop icon, go into "show package contents" and then :
contenst / required / plugins / file formats and remove the ones you can like jpeg2000, pcx and pixar. 
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Ripley, if I could reach out and hug you thru this screen I would do exactly that. 

At last, I no longer have to scroll down to get to PNG, such a small kindness... thank you!!!
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Any ideas for Windows users?
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Marten you can do the same thing in windows, unfortunately it only removes a handful of useless formats and still leaves a dozen that you must sift through. But here's how to do it. We have to get to your photoshop app folder, and the easiest way is probably to just do this:

• If you have a shortcut to photoshop on your taskbar or start menu, right click it. This should pop up a list of recent PS files, plus a link to photoshop itself, and some options like "unpin from taskbar" or "close".

• Within that menu, right click that photoshop link, and choose properties. This bring up a properties dialogue, and there should be a button somewhere on there (bottom left) that says open file location. Click that. You're now in the photoshop program folder.

• At the top of the folder is a list of subfolders, one of them is called "Required"... open it, and then within that open "Plug-Ins". Note this is different from another Plug-Ins folder hiding elsewhere. You want the one under "Required". You should see a subfolder called "File Formats". There's a bunch of files ending in the .8bi extension. It should be safe to delete these [or most of them anyway... you should probably keep PSDX (.psd) and WBMP (.bmp)]... I have been running for years with everything deleted except those formats and radiance, and have had no problems.

Well, except for the problem where I have to do all these silly workarounds and Targa's still cluttering my list :P
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Thanks!  Gets us about halfway there!
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wow Why didn't I think to do this sooner.  Thank you!  One day a year someone hits you with that odd file type need, or it's a necessary step to getting into another format.  But otherwise it's nice to turn some of these off.  Wish we could do all of them that we want.
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Chris,
Sorry to keep this one going but I wanted to add my voice to the few active commenters.

I gather that it is too big a job to be put on yout JDI (Just Do It) list, if you still have one.
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Really, really, this should be fixed!


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I realised I never shared the script I'm using to quickly save a JPEG to my desktop, and seeing how this thread just keeps going with no solution in sight from Adobe, I reckon some people might find a use for it. It also appends a number if you need to save multiple versions to compare. Copy paste this code into a text editor, save it as a .js file, then place it in PS > Presets > Scripts. Don't forget to change the path where you want these saved (first line of code).

It will show up under File > Scripts the next time you start it up and you can even assign it a shortcut. This saved me hours in the ~2 years I've had it.


var JPGquality = 12;var docPath = '/Users/cristian/Desktop/';
var docName = app.activeDocument.name.replace(/\.[^\.]+$/, '');;

var saveFile = new File(docPath + '/' + docName + '.jpg');

var fileExists = saveFile.exists;
var tries = 1;
while (fileExists) {
  saveFile = new File(docPath + '/' + docName + ( '-' + tries) + '.jpg');
  tries++;
  fileExists = saveFile.exists;
}

SaveJPEG(saveFile, JPGquality);

function SaveJPEG(saveFile, jpegQuality) {
  jpgSaveOptions = new JPEGSaveOptions();
  jpgSaveOptions.embedColorProfile = true;
  jpgSaveOptions.formatOptions = FormatOptions.STANDARDBASELINE;
  jpgSaveOptions.matte = MatteType.NONE;
  jpgSaveOptions.quality = jpegQuality; //1-12
  activeDocument.saveAs(saveFile, jpgSaveOptions, true, Extension.LOWERCASE);
}


If anyone knows how to do the same for PNGs, I'd be grateful if you shared it.
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You should be able to simply use the Quick Export function to save either jpg or png to the desktop... no script needed.
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appreciate the effort. If a script could somehow recreate the file - save as window, but with only a handful of preset options, it would be a great workaround. I'd just have to get used to pressing something like F6 to save.
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Sadly, Mr Cox is no longer at Adobe. 
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Hello! I'd just like to voice my support for this issue. I (and probably 99% of other people) use 3, maybe 4 of the total 22 file formats (which by the way is not sorted in any kind of fashion). A list of "favourites" would help a lot.

But then I see that this has been a 6 year ongoing battle, that's just tragic.
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My post has outlasted some adobe employees! Wish more people would vote on it.

I feel like people are so used to this ancient problem, they forgot it exists. Or don't realize how refreshing it is, to work in a program that handles this properly. It's like getting used to a funky smell in your house until you don't even realize it's there.
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Using Photoshop CC 2017, and still dealing with this ancient nightmare...

I think the only way we can get some attention from Adobe is to organize a massive crowd of users to sign-up and vote on this request, so maybe (just maybe) they can "think about" this old and annoying issue...
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You got that right - it's stupid, it's archaic and it sucks. And with changes in staff at Adobe, well, who cares? Now, how are we going to get this to the attention of someone at Adobe with a brain that's prepared to bring this part of the software into the current era?
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There is open source code out there that makes this improvement-- it's literally a few lines of code. Really, Adobe, is this obvious improvement that difficult to implement? Stop assigning whole teams to making your user interfaces suck and make this simple change. And Gordon, I have talked to many people who are high up at Adobe and no one is listening. Everyone seems worried about job security and doesn't want to take risks--  it's like Trumps' cabinet right now.
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