Photoshop: Allow painting with grey document window apron for use as a painters color palette

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Photoshop needs the ability to allow an illustrator to paint color swatches/palettes on the outside (grey area) of the active canvas. This way artists won't have to manage a complex swatch window while working.

Currently as I'm working, I am limited to creating a new layer that I have to switch to every time I move...and the palette layer always gets in the way of my work. We have a huge amount of space around the canvas, why not allow us to use it for simple paint palettes? As some work in full windowed mode to maximize screen space.
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  • confident this idea will make other illustrators lives much eaiser.

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Do you have an iPad by chance?
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Yes I do.
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I guess Jeff thinks about this: http://www.photoshop.com/products/mob...#
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»We have a huge amount of space around the canvas,«
Do we? Would that not depend on the screen, the display mode, the viewing magnification, the image proportions etc.?
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Not at all...the space I am referring to is visible when you enter into a different view mode. (of course you know that) but I'm only referring to the space thats available in the different "F" view. You might not understand the importance of this in my mind as an illustrator.
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But that space depends on aforementioned factors, so at certain magnifications there will be none – but maybe I am actually misunderstanding your meaning.

Still Mr. Tranberry’s recommendation will possibly be sufficient for your task anyway.
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So let me explain...

When I'm working on a painting, just recently a coral reef, I like to make a color palette that I can quickly reference as I am painting. When I paint, my canvas is usually no less than 2048x1536 (double Ipad) So most of the elements I am working on at any given time are smaller, so I am zoomed in. Currently I create a new layer, paint my color palette...lock it (so I don't find myself painting on it) then go back to my main canvas layer to paint. Having my palette on my canvas gets in the way all the time. So I have to constantly hide/unhide it, as well as move it to where I am painting. If there were a way for my palette to be on the outside of the canvas, it wouldn't get in the way, and I wouldn't have to hide/unhide or lock it...would increase workflow as well.

Or if there was a way to "hotkey" a Palette window (much like the brush window on the right click) that would be HUGE. man that would be so awesome. I would actually hire someone to write an extension like that for me.
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What about expanding the canvas size of your document?
Image>Canvas Size

You need something like i saw once in a very old version of photoshop called
something like a Scratch palette.
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So that would work, but it opens up even more complications. My snapping to document bounds would be messed up, I would then have to create guides, still having to make a new layer for the palette...etc.

Painting on the outside, or even having a click palette menu would be great. Even a menu window that I can paint in, which stays on top all the time would work.
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In this case, another document open on the side would probably be a better choice.
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Yup. I was going to suggest Adobe Color Lava

The other thing that you might find useful is one of these panels (namely "MixColors"):

http://anastasiy.com/panels

Otherwise the HUD picker built into CS5 might be an option: http://pixlart.blogspot.com/2010/04/p...
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All very great feedback.

I actually never heard of Color Lava...just bought it...but that would basically be what I have in mind, just on the side of the canvas.

Been a huge fan of anastasiy for awhile, LOVE MagicPicker.

I guess maybe I'm just picky. The 2nd window is an option, but still, it would increase steps just to get to the palette. I think this idea for palettes outside of the canvas is a nifty idea...but maybe it's just not practical. I'm never a huge planning kind of artist. I paint colors organically, which is why a floating Canvas Like Palette would be unique...especially on a rt click menu or something.
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Photoshop 3-Scratch palette



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interesting...

I've been trying the double canvas thing...working ok but still a pain in the but to select colors when painting, as I have to exit full view mode/swap the canvas to mess around with colors.

Seems like the anastasiy color mixer is going to be my only best option...almost like the scratch palette (which should return imo)
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I think a practical way to implement this idea would be to add the same feature that Illustrator has with the Artboard Tool. This would allow an artist to create a simple canvas on the side of the current document (exactly like Illustrator) where they can then use as their palette...or any other of their choosing. This would open up some nifty doors.
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I think this would not be practical as in Illustrator an object off the side of the canvas can be represented by its points, handles, fills, groups etc. which do not affect the canvas.
But in Photoshop the canvas is »made up« of pixels, so if one added space that can be painted on one would probably effectively increase the canvas size (or add a »secondary« canvas) and therefore file-size of the image – with the usual effects on performance.

I think Illustrator and Photoshop are pretty different programs.
And to me it seems the two teams are very different, too.
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I think it's extremely possible to have a tool that creates an additional canvas like in illustrator. Visually it would look like the same document, but really would be two separate documents. So I guess this would evolve into the ability to have "Full Screen Mode" on, with a split view arrangement...instead of the current feature of only being allowed to arrange the document windows without "Full Screen Mode" on.
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There is already a functionality to hold additional canvases – Smart Objects. But the implementation you want seems problematic to me (file-size etc.).

Illustrator is a very different »beast« – and the less the Photoshop team orients themselves after the Illustrator team the better it might be in my opinion, as I consider Photoshop’s path manipulation features superior to Illustrator’s in several respects.
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I think this is evolving into just a different viewmode. I've realized that an additional feature for a palette would not be practical. But having two documents open, which is fine, complicates workflow. By adding the ability to have Full Screen Viewmode on, with a split screen arrangement, would be great in so many ways in my opinion.