Photoshop 2020: Why are you slowly eliminating Preset Manager?

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Adobe why are you slowly eliminating Preset Manager in Photoshop 2020??? This tool has so much potential. It was simple way for checking and managing almost every tool's library just in one place. Your new idea for having better organisation in all separated windows (like brushes panel etc.) is good and needed but when you become more advanced user, you need simple window for fast organizing all your tool's libraries. I thought that you will develop Preset Manager to become new floating window like any other new tool panel. New Preset Manager could have just a roll out button like "blending options" allowing to edit specific library. All the libraries in new Preset Manager could look the same as those in separated windows. User could have a choice if he want one simple Preset Manager window with all tools in it or have separated floating windows anywhere he wants or use both. I thought also that you will add "Actions" to the Preset Manager which are very important tool that need to use and manage other libraries. When some libraries are missing actions will not work and will give errors. So checking all libraries in separated windows one by one is a really big nightmare. 
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> When some libraries are missing actions will not work and will give errors. So checking all libraries in separated windows one by one is a really big nightmare. 

I like having all the Preset Manager functions available in the panels themselves, but I get your point about also having them centralized.I always did check the panels individually for the necessary presets when running actions since I found it more trouble to open the Preset Manager and tab through to find them in a stupid long list, so I haven't thought about it as a loss.  I don't know the work involved or if Adobe would see it as worth the labor, but I certainly wouldn't object to it remaining in the program. (And now hear everyone yell "bloat!" <BG> )

The whole Actions panel needs to be revamped. What they do with it after that, I've no idea, but it's archaic as it is. I have no doubt there are better ways to work with actions, both creating and running them. I also dislike that when you run an action, it actually opens the action, leaving you to have to close it to get to other actions — for those of us for whom the Buttons mode is useless with so many actions and so few ways to organize those buttons. With actions that are hundreds of steps long, that really is annoying. Still, fixing that panel and making more of PS actionable is probably a major project. If they get around to that and restore the old Preset Manager as one more way to organize, then I agree I always thought it should have been part of the Preset Manager, even though I suppose technically actions aren't presets. They behave and awful lot like them, though.

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Maybe I exaggerated a little and it isn't as big loss. If you can stick panels in a group you will have somewhat same situation as in Preset Manager.  

And Actions panel... This is a whole new story :) So big that I feel like this could be completely new app only for building actions besides Java Script. Action Panel need improvement in case of very long actions. I thought some triple stack menu like in 3d max would do the thing. It is very hard to drag or copy action parts from place to place in a very long action sets. You need sometimes to hold key while dragging for a long time till action will scroll to that specific place. Some action steps descriptions are useless. There is a lot to improve.
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> It is very hard to drag or copy action parts from place to place in a very long action sets. You need sometimes to hold key while dragging for a long time till action will scroll to that specific place.

You've got that right for sure. Yet another problem with creating actions. There are way too many problems, and I think they decided we would all learn to script if we cared. I hope they'll change their mind. I like the accessibility of actions to the average user. I learned a very long time ago I didn't want to learn to script, and I don't want to simply buy scripts for everything either. Scripts don't reveal themselves to us users. We can't tinker with them. Actions definitely have value to us, so it would be nice if people who have experience with actions in other programs nagged Adobe a bit for us to get more modern features/UI.

I meant to say, yes, docking panels might be just the right solution to the problem you were experiencing. I don't dock them, but I do put them in an icon strip together, so at least I'm not searching for the panels all over the interface.
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I think there are very few people who want to edit scripts that they need and buy. I mean edit it by themselves. I tried to push actions to the limit without scripting and must say that there are a lot of people who don't really want to learn how to edit actions even if they need it and the system is open.  So I suppose there are very few people who actually use this panel as we do. Maybe it is a plus that this feature stay the same when it comes to compatibility.
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> that there are a lot of people who don't really want to learn how to edit actions even if they need it and the system is open.

True, but I wonder if it isn't simply too intimidating. It's not that Actions have gotten a whole lot of love when it comes to basic education, and it seems like programming, even when it's not that at all. It also is frustrating when you start that you have no idea what will record, or if you need to set it up ahead of recording in order to record a step, or how to troubleshoot, record again, etc. —

IOW, there's a lot that could be done both with making the interface easier to work with and with making the features themselves actionable, but it's all from the past millennium when half the people half the time expected they'd have to learn this stuff the hard way. Still, Affinity Photo is really very new and they thought Actions were important enough to include them, so there must be enough people who make some use of them, even if only to write very simple actions.

I taught myself a lot of Photoshop by getting hold of actions and going through them one step at a time. Just that, instead of having to know the kbsc, could be an icon in the panel and it would be easier for people to learn what's going on or find what's not working. I still find trying to make lengthy actions daunting, but when you compound trying to fit an entire workflow into an action with all the obstacles that that panel sets up, it IS daunting. Easier to spend $6-8 on one at Envato.<G>

I've recommended actions as a good way to understand what PS is doing, but as long as the UI is hidden and there's only long text help to read to learn anything about creating and editing actions, not even much (if anything) in the way of tutorials showing how easy it is to make short little actions for your everyday workflow, Actions won't get as much love as they deserve.

I don't think updating the panel to be more user friendly would have to affect legacy. Every time they change a legacy feature they affect actions, but the panel itself wouldn't do any harm to them. So long as the hooks remained hooked to the rest of the program, that is.  '-}
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Before I even touched actions I was thinking I know PS pretty much. I was so wrong... haahha

I think action panel can be in some way more helpful but working on actions longer than 20-30 steps become hard no matter what. It is a maze for your brain full of logic decisions and it always be.

People sell actions because it is hard to do it. And it is ok for me;p 

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I'm happy to hear you don't find creating long actions cruel and unusual punishment.  '-}

Most of us, when it comes to these really long photo art actions, for instance, would definitely rather be making images than making actions. It's hard enough to find the patience to edit the layers  these actions create specifically for the image we've run them on. LOL

But the very fact that there are developers who do write these actions for us is why I've often asked PS to update its filters. They'd have to keep the legacy, but they could give us some new, modern ones. They stopped with the Oil filter—their one and only update to filters that date back to earliest days. They wouldn't have to add many. Even one a year would help the developers have something truly new to work with—and sell. Update old ones with missing previews and 16 bit capability and legacy actions wouldn't have to be broken, but everyone would benefit.

I've had to troubleshoot the photo art actions a couple of times (fortunately they almost always run fine on any image that's been properly set up), and that alone taxes all the patience I have.  Adobe just needs to make the panel easier to use, even if it doesn't add actionable features. That's a maze for their brain full of logic decisions, but I know they're creative enough they could do it.
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They wouldn't develop it unless they will open their own Adobe Actions market. They aren't making money on actions so they skip it.