In the latest update, full image preview has been added when hovering presets.
While this is fantastic and really useful most of the time, when handling large files like stitched panoramas, my computer crawls to a stop as my 7700K is maxed out for each preset.
Could it be possible to disable that in the settings for such case ?
Thanks
While this is fantastic and really useful most of the time, when handling large files like stitched panoramas, my computer crawls to a stop as my 7700K is maxed out for each preset.
Could it be possible to disable that in the settings for such case ?
Thanks
Posted 10 months ago
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic CC 7.3.1 and ACR 10.3 very slow presets previews.
Short description: before and after. Before latest LR update presets previews was only in small navigator window. After latest update presets previews are also showing in big main develop window and this making one problem.
In general I like new update of
Lightroom Classic. Idea that when I put mouse over preset name I see not
only small but also big preview is good.
But generating big
preview for my big monitor takes too much time. I want to scroll mouse
over lots of presets and see fast previews. But right now I put mouse
and wait, then move and wait, and again. Finally I want to turn off this
big previews, I'm happy enough with fast previews in navigator, but I
can't do this.
Please make some checkbox in settings to turn it off. Or
make big previews faster generation. For example with some increasing
resolution algorithm. Like low details and very fast at first time, but
if mouse is staying at this preset then more resolution and more
detailed preview generation.
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And one special creative idea for presets. :)
I know that many photographers has lots of presets like several hundred. Sorting and previewing is still a problem. I want to ask Adobe to make some algorithm and tool finding similar presets. Like author entering some delta value and algorithm trying to find similar presets. Then delete or put in one group of similar presets.
Short description: before and after. Before latest LR update presets previews was only in small navigator window. After latest update presets previews are also showing in big main develop window and this making one problem.
In general I like new update of
Lightroom Classic. Idea that when I put mouse over preset name I see not
only small but also big preview is good.
But generating big
preview for my big monitor takes too much time. I want to scroll mouse
over lots of presets and see fast previews. But right now I put mouse
and wait, then move and wait, and again. Finally I want to turn off this
big previews, I'm happy enough with fast previews in navigator, but I
can't do this.
Please make some checkbox in settings to turn it off. Or
make big previews faster generation. For example with some increasing
resolution algorithm. Like low details and very fast at first time, but
if mouse is staying at this preset then more resolution and more
detailed preview generation.
------------
And one special creative idea for presets. :)
I know that many photographers has lots of presets like several hundred. Sorting and previewing is still a problem. I want to ask Adobe to make some algorithm and tool finding similar presets. Like author entering some delta value and algorithm trying to find similar presets. Then delete or put in one group of similar presets.
>> Please make some checkbox in settings to turn it off.
Not in settings, Stanislav. The ON/OFF button must be directly accessible during the browsing operations. For example, as you described, one may want to do a quick browsing through a lot of preset folders (groups ?) with full live preview disabled and then activate it when selecting a preset in a specific group.
I think the best place for this button is in the toolbar under the viewing area, along with the other tools.
NB : There's another related problem with preset previewing that I commented elsewhere. I just noticed something that I consider as a bug : when hovering the presets, I observed that some of them had absolutely no effect. Very strange. Until I understood that if the settings modified by the preset are located in a development panel that is disabled (switch button set to Off), the live preview doesn't take these settings into account.
This is questionable. The live preview should show the full effect of the preset by temporarily re-enabling the setting panels that are switched off. Otherwise, this doesn't make much sense.
In other words, new feature not tested by someone using LR for real work.
Not in settings, Stanislav. The ON/OFF button must be directly accessible during the browsing operations. For example, as you described, one may want to do a quick browsing through a lot of preset folders (groups ?) with full live preview disabled and then activate it when selecting a preset in a specific group.
I think the best place for this button is in the toolbar under the viewing area, along with the other tools.
NB : There's another related problem with preset previewing that I commented elsewhere. I just noticed something that I consider as a bug : when hovering the presets, I observed that some of them had absolutely no effect. Very strange. Until I understood that if the settings modified by the preset are located in a development panel that is disabled (switch button set to Off), the live preview doesn't take these settings into account.
This is questionable. The live preview should show the full effect of the preset by temporarily re-enabling the setting panels that are switched off. Otherwise, this doesn't make much sense.
In other words, new feature not tested by someone using LR for real work.
John R. Ellis, Champion
"if the settings modified by the preset are located in a development panel that is disabled (switch button set to Off), the live preview doesn't take these settings into account."
Have you posted this as a separate bug report? Adobe almost certainly won't see or act on it unless it's a separate bug report.
Have you posted this as a separate bug report? Adobe almost certainly won't see or act on it unless it's a separate bug report.
Rikk Flohr, official rep, apparently reported this issue to the development team.
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lr-7-3-1-often-not-updating-rendering-in-full...
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lr-7-3-1-often-not-updating-rendering-in-full...
Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
It hasn't been posted as a bug, John - rather I have asked the team to provide feedback on expected behavior to determine if this falls into the realm of bug or behavior change.
John R. Ellis, Champion
It's hard for users to provide their opinions about the expected behavior without a separate topic. It is certainly "unusual" that the preview resulting from hovering would be significantly different from the result of actually applying the preset.
OK. I will open a new thread.
I would argue that it's a bug on some machines rather than an behavior change. If the intent was to update the loupe image ONLY WHILE hovering over an image that's not what is happening for many people. Personally I'm experiencing changes to the main image WITHOUT even hovering over the left panel. The image will suddenly change to B&W or some bizarre flat image while using tools on the right side. I have to either click on another image and back OR toggle into fullscreen "F" and back to revert back for an unexpected update to the main image to go away!
I've been waiting desperately for a fix to the point of NOT bothering to process images until a solution is in place. That's not fair when I'm paying monthly for a service that I can't reasonably use. As for the reverting to a previous version? That was not an option on my laptop that is still running Windows 7 and will NOT support windows 10 despite all of Microsoft's promises as well. (Runs for about 1 month then always gets the blue screen every time I've installed Windows 10). I Purchased new laptops on 3 separate occasions (all Windows 10) just to find they could not run Adobe LR without painful lags and finally resold or returned them. Each machine I tried had an i5 or i7 processor and at least 16Gb RAM. The performance was worse than on my current Toshiba Satellite P855 windows 7 i5 with 8Gb. The performance to run LR just sucks on windows 10 vs 7. And the three new laptops were $1,200 to $1,500 brand new Dell and Lenovo machines. Why would performance be worse on several new Windows 10 machines than on an old Windows 7 machine anyway?
Windows 7 meets the system requirements per the Adobe website (may 24th 2018 specs.) however Creative Cloud will not revert back a version unless Windows 10 is being used? Why is that?
Adobe should be investing more time into efficiency to run on middle ware machines than bells and whistles that decrease performance and efficiency.
I am really so tempted to scrap all future use of Adobe products and move onto something more reliable.
Adobe LR should NOT take so many resources that a new laptop with a new processor and 16Gb of ram can not run efficiently.
If cutting edge machines are what Adobe is interested in targeting, maybe they should create a LR Premium line and stop KILLING an crippling a huge portion of their customer base!
I've been waiting desperately for a fix to the point of NOT bothering to process images until a solution is in place. That's not fair when I'm paying monthly for a service that I can't reasonably use. As for the reverting to a previous version? That was not an option on my laptop that is still running Windows 7 and will NOT support windows 10 despite all of Microsoft's promises as well. (Runs for about 1 month then always gets the blue screen every time I've installed Windows 10). I Purchased new laptops on 3 separate occasions (all Windows 10) just to find they could not run Adobe LR without painful lags and finally resold or returned them. Each machine I tried had an i5 or i7 processor and at least 16Gb RAM. The performance was worse than on my current Toshiba Satellite P855 windows 7 i5 with 8Gb. The performance to run LR just sucks on windows 10 vs 7. And the three new laptops were $1,200 to $1,500 brand new Dell and Lenovo machines. Why would performance be worse on several new Windows 10 machines than on an old Windows 7 machine anyway?
Windows 7 meets the system requirements per the Adobe website (may 24th 2018 specs.) however Creative Cloud will not revert back a version unless Windows 10 is being used? Why is that?
Adobe should be investing more time into efficiency to run on middle ware machines than bells and whistles that decrease performance and efficiency.
I am really so tempted to scrap all future use of Adobe products and move onto something more reliable.
Adobe LR should NOT take so many resources that a new laptop with a new processor and 16Gb of ram can not run efficiently.
If cutting edge machines are what Adobe is interested in targeting, maybe they should create a LR Premium line and stop KILLING an crippling a huge portion of their customer base!
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Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
Greetings all,
I see a couple of users have posted a workaround involving the use of a 'config.lua' file to temporarily disable the current preset preview behavior.
Please do not consider this a permanent fix for this issue. This was a temporary rough workaround for test purposes only. Use of a config.lua file to modify behavior can have unintended results and may cause issues with future installations.
For those of you who've contacted me via email regarding special access to a preliminary update for a permanent resolution of the issue, we expect to have that available for you to review shortly.
Thank you for your patience.
I see a couple of users have posted a workaround involving the use of a 'config.lua' file to temporarily disable the current preset preview behavior.
Please do not consider this a permanent fix for this issue. This was a temporary rough workaround for test purposes only. Use of a config.lua file to modify behavior can have unintended results and may cause issues with future installations.
For those of you who've contacted me via email regarding special access to a preliminary update for a permanent resolution of the issue, we expect to have that available for you to review shortly.
Thank you for your patience.
Thanks for being here, Rikk, and I hope you don't mind if I laugh a little at the phrase "unintended consequences" because that is precisely why this config.lua file is so appreciated.
Even if my laptop could perform the render instantaneously, I don't want my main image switching its presentation without my intentionally choosing it. Looking forward to Adobe correcting the unintended consequence of a mouse movement.
Even if my laptop could perform the render instantaneously, I don't want my main image switching its presentation without my intentionally choosing it. Looking forward to Adobe correcting the unintended consequence of a mouse movement.
Amen
Thanks for the warning Rikk, so far all is well on my Macs.
May we expect that the removal of the .lua will not cripple the preliminary update when it becomes available?
May we expect that the removal of the .lua will not cripple the preliminary update when it becomes available?
Simon Chen, Principal Computer Scientist
No.
Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
Thank you to those of you who volunteered to preview a proposed update to the Preset Preview behavior. You should have received an invitation for access to this at the email address you provided to me in your direct message.
We look forward to your feedback in the test area on the changes.
We look forward to your feedback in the test area on the changes.
is it too late to sign-up?
Do you add more to the test group ?
I am a motorsport photographer and the preview feature has put me to a stop when I have to fast edit images for news sites etc. I think it is a great feature, but I would really like to be able to turn it on and off - depending on where I am in my workflow.
I am a motorsport photographer and the preview feature has put me to a stop when I have to fast edit images for news sites etc. I think it is a great feature, but I would really like to be able to turn it on and off - depending on where I am in my workflow.
What is the update on this? I know a lot of professional photographers that are been crippled by this issue and are unable to work fast enough because of it. This is peoples livelihoods that are being impacted on so there needs to be a fix implemented asap. I don't see a need for a discussion if its already been pointed out that people need to option.
Just use version 7.2 until it’s ready. I’m not giving Adobe an out, they totally screwed this up, but working professionals should never be early adopters. That goes for hardware and software, cameras and computers. Use what works until the new stuff has been proven.
I disagree. There should be no reason why incremental point software updates like this should carry such a dramatic (and obviously untested) change to the fundamental way in which an application works, especially where performance is concerned.
Adobe are going to be sorry if they continue to stab giant holes in a product customers have trusted for years. There is no way I will ever consider using Photoshop / Bridge as an alternative. Using Photoshop is like visiting a software Jurassic Park in my opinion. If Lightroom continues to deteriorate like this I will find something outside of the Adobe ecosystem to use.
Adobe are going to be sorry if they continue to stab giant holes in a product customers have trusted for years. There is no way I will ever consider using Photoshop / Bridge as an alternative. Using Photoshop is like visiting a software Jurassic Park in my opinion. If Lightroom continues to deteriorate like this I will find something outside of the Adobe ecosystem to use.
In a sense, you're completely right. There is absolutely no reason this should've been a point update. This is a bigger change than between versions 6 and 7. This should've been called Lightroom 8.0, no doubt about it.
Semantics aside, version 7.2 is working just fine for me.
Semantics aside, version 7.2 is working just fine for me.
What is the latest on this? I reverted back to 7.2 and hope a fix is out soon!
Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen, Champion
It'll be fixed in the next release Rick. Shouldn't be too long now.
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This should been a hotfix, i should not be seeing "3 weeks ago" on a "Shouldn't be too long now:"
Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen, Champion
I'm not quite clear on whether you're aware or not, but it was released a couple of weeks ago.
Rikk Flohr, Official Rep
Lightroom Classic CC 7.4, released today, now allows you disable this feature in the Preferences. Download it and flip the switch!
I am wondering, why you put it now in preferences and not as a simple toggle in the GUI, because most people prefered it to have it in GUI after your little survey here...
Laziness.
Rikk,
Why did you actually ask ? The result is the opposite of the expressed wishes. This choice doesn't make sense.
Why did you actually ask ? The result is the opposite of the expressed wishes. This choice doesn't make sense.
eartho, Champion
Thanks Rikk.
And for those looking, the option is not in Preset or Interface... it's in Performance?
And for those looking, the option is not in Preset or Interface... it's in Performance?
eartho, Champion
And it doesn't work?! I disabled the option and hover is still active, so i thought a restart of LR would fix and nope!
Oh wait, i think i see now... they only disabled hover-previews for Presets and not Profiles? Are you kidding me?
Oh wait, i think i see now... they only disabled hover-previews for Presets and not Profiles? Are you kidding me?
Rob Sylvan, Champion
Perhaps replacing the preferences? The new option is working for me.
eartho, Champion
Rob, what happens when you hover over Profiles?
Rob Sylvan, Champion
Profiles still provide a full screen preview. I don't believe they were included in the new preference option (seems pretty specific to presets only).
Johan Elzenga, Champion
Correct. Personally I don’t see any advantage of disabling hover for profiles. It only makes it slower and more cumbersome to select the profile you like.
Todd Shaner, Champion
Hover over Profiles has never worked correctly on my Windows 7 system. The first one or two profile previews display and then it no longer provides a preview. Running the cursor up and down the profiles eventually restores the preview, but again only for one or two profiles. Anyone else seeing this behavior? I reported this during Prerelease testing, but Adobe Engineering couldn't duplicate the issue.
Simon Chen, Principal Computer Scientist
When the Profile browser is shown, you can press down the Option/Alt modifier key to temporarily turn off the profile preview in the loupe. This allows you to do a quick before/after comparison without moving the mouse.
eartho, Champion
Right on. Thank you Simon!
I think this should be a thing, or making the loupepreview available while holding down shift\ctrl\alt\ctrl+alt\ctrl+shift\whatever.
https://imgur.com/tb64PC8
Its nice to have on when trying to find a preset that works with the image, but after that its annoying as h*** to bring the cursor to the left screen seeing the image gets another preset slapped on unintentional... and worst part is that most of the time it doesnt go away after the corsor leaves the preset.
https://imgur.com/tb64PC8
Its nice to have on when trying to find a preset that works with the image, but after that its annoying as h*** to bring the cursor to the left screen seeing the image gets another preset slapped on unintentional... and worst part is that most of the time it doesnt go away after the corsor leaves the preset.
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I just downloaded the latest version released today and disabled the hover preview in preferences. This solved the problem but the Navigator pane preview is much slower than 7.2. VERY laggy to scroll through Presets watching the preview in the smaller Navigator window. This is on a late 2016 15" MacBook Pro 2.7GHz i7, w/Radeon Pro 455 and 16GB RAM.
