Camera Raw: Applying a preset which was saved with "transform" unchecked actually resets "transform" ?

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ACR, applying a preset which was saved with "transform" unchecked actually resets "transform" ?

similar issues were reported since forever, for example mr Tranberry promised to ask the dev. team to look into that = https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/problems-with-acr-presets

so what gives ? I do not want to alter transform and so I unchecked that checkbox when saving a preset, why in the world Adobe insists code-wise that applying such preset shall reset my transform ? don't touch it !
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> I do not want to alter transform and so I unchecked that checkbox when saving a preset, why in the world Adobe insists code-wise that applying such preset shall reset my transform ?>

I agree with you that it seems counter-intuitive to reset a transform if your preset didn't include any transform.  It would be like setting your White Balance to a very warm tone, then using a Preset that only included White Point and Black Point and Clarity, but your White Balance got reset to As Shot.<G> 

But I can't make that happen. I usually apply presets before transforming, but in this instance, I transformed an image, then chose a B&W preset and my transformation wasn't affected. I even went to a Profile, instead of a preset, and choose Adobe Standard, Camera Neutral, etc., and my transformation remained unaffected.

So could you show us your saved preset settings and a before/after shot of your image with the Transform applied before you apply the preset, then removed after applying the preset? Maybe someone can find a clue in that, though it does seem odd that's it's happening at all. It might also help to know what OS and version of ACR/PS you're using.
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I take it you are not an Adobe support staff ?

Thank you for trying... here is a preset (.xmp file) that resets "transform" (done using "Transform Tool" -> "UpRight:Guided") for ACR 10.2.1.895

<x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.6-c140 79.160451, 2017/05/06-01:08:21        ">
 <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">;
  <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
    xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/";
   crs:Version="10.2.1"
   crs:Saturation="0"
   crs:Vibrance="0"
   crs:Contrast2012="0"
   crs:Blacks2012="-5"
   crs:Clarity2012="0"
   crs:HasSettings="True"/>
 </rdf:RDF>
</x:xmpmeta>


note that it matters that transform was done exactly like "Transform Tool" -> "UpRight:Guided" ... other types of transform are not reset... so that is where the bug is, it seems Adobe's QA did not go through an obvious use case... effects of "UpRight:Guided" are being reset
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No, I'm not Staff.<G>  Sometimes if we other users test things, it helps an understaffed Staff figure out what's going on quicker.

So I tested a few presets and created a few.  I followed your instructions to use Guided Upright. But when I used Guided Upright on an image, then saved a setting with Transform turned off, it didn't affect a later image where I'd used Transform. I tried this 5 different times, and not once could I get Transform to be affected with any of the presets.

I was able to see that I had a couple of older presets with absolutely everything listed, including Upright, even though it was set to zero. That definitely, and expectedly, changed my Transform.<G> But I was probably being sloppy when I created it. Since I usually apply the preset before I make changes like that, and actually, those are just hanging around because I'm lazy—I've not used them in forever—I didn't notice the harm I'd done to them.

So I'm going to hope you can keep this in Staff's face, because what is happening with your files when nothing is listed in the XMP about Transform or Upright or Perspective shouldn't be happening. And I can't seem to make it happen, even if I save every other feature except Transform.

The way to keep this up top so Staff hopefully looks into it is to reply to yourself, or watch that others jump in. I'm afraid I can't suggest anything more you can do in the case of Camera Raw except if you didn't just create a new preset, try again and see? This could be a legacy issue. And of course, there's always uninstalling CR and reinstalling, I suppose.
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> I tried this 5 different times,

see the video (sorry for the quality) = https://youtu.be/eIdh-shonrM

1) do any simple UpRight:Guided correction

2) apply preset from the post above

3) bug

and dear - just in case do not save preset after correction (who knows what Adobe saves there - use the copy of my preset posted above).

I repost it again :


<x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.6-c140 79.160451, 2017/05/06-01:08:21        ">
 <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">;
  <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
    xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/";
   crs:Version="10.2.1"
   crs:Saturation="0"
   crs:Vibrance="0"
   crs:Contrast2012="0"
   crs:Blacks2012="-5"
   crs:Clarity2012="0"
   crs:HasSettings="True"/>
 </rdf:RDF>
</x:xmpmeta>


or alternatively post the content of preset you are using (the content of .xmp file), and I will try it on my computer

Just in case I saved preset with only WB after UpRight:Guided correction - still the bug is in place - here is the content of that simplest preset 

<x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.6-c140 79.160451, 2017/05/06-01:08:21        ">
 <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">;
  <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
    xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/";
   crs:Version="10.2.1"
   crs:WhiteBalance="Auto"
   crs:HasSettings="True"/>
 </rdf:RDF>
</x:xmpmeta>

.

just in case my PS/ACR are on Win10x64 and ACR version is 10.2.1.895 ... chance is if you test on OSX and I am on Windows there is (unlikely) a difference in code ? or what is your version of ACR ?
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and here is the raw file + .xmp sidecar with UpRight:Guided already applied + .xmp preset ("preset.xmp" is the file name) that will reset the transform = https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/os9sIdrgUMOAw7i0wjMqAjhWPqbJeJCfm4krmSDiG7p

download and test
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I can confirm this issue on my Windows 7 system using ACR 10.2.1.895 with PS 19.1.2. I tested it with a Canon CR2 file and a new preset created today in ACR that only uses Exposure = 0. I also tested it with numerous other Develop presets with the same results: Guided Upright settings are removed.

I reset the Camera Raw Preferences file and tried again with no change:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y7AzupMPl0

I also uninstalled and reinstalled ACR using the Creative Cloud app choosing 'remove app preferences' with no change in behavior. My guess is that this is a Windows Only bug.

The similar  bug at the other link you posted concerning Lens Profile settings being reset appears to be fixed so unrelated to your post:

 https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/problems-with-acr-presets
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I'm on a Mac. That might be the problem. Good to have someone able to confirm this.
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OK, I 'll give Adobe few days to appear here and then repost the bug indicating Windows platform specific...
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DP HOME this has been reported to Adobe Engineering as a Windows only bug. Thank you.
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OK, will see the next ACR release then !
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looks like it was fixed, didn't have much time yesterday, but it seems that Upright:Guided is now left unmolested !
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ACR 10.3 fixes it on my Windows 7 system–Thank you Team Adobe Engineering!
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Coincidentally, the ticket I submitted for you after we talked wasn't marked fixed - so there must have been another report internally for this from QE.